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Old 09-18-2011, 10:26 AM   #1
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leaking tops, law suite.

so im sitting here looking through 3 jeep forums that im a member of and see hundreds of topics of leaking hard and soft tops. now my question is, how come the jeep community on a whole has not filed a class action law suite against jeep chrysler.
we all complain about the tops, we all have them "fixed " many times over.
but not 1 post or thread about a law suite. maybe we should get a local fox news to investigate and post videos of the leaking doors and top on tv. maybe then jeep\chrysler will fix the problem.. after all there are hundred's of thousands of jeeps on American roads. just a thought.

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I really hate it when water drips on my arm when I am going through the occasional carwash. I say sue them! Maybe I can get a few bucks back for the carwashes and we can make a lawyer's day.
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It's a Jeep thing...at least that's what I've read
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I think the tops are more of a nuisance for people. Now let some problem involve safety of a family and kill a few babies in the process....THEN folks sit up and take notice....and sue and get in line to join a class action.
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It's a Jeep thing...at least that's what I've read
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If the jeep leaks from the factory a case could be made.
Once that top was removed-all bets are off, and how do you prove that?
Maybe a sticker like cell phones have.. Lol
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You are driving a convertible. They all leak. Give me a break!
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I don't own a jeep yet, when I do it will have a hard top... But I owned a Camaro with t-tops and a very thin line of petroleum bases gel stopped all leaks.... no other problems... now the leaking through the floor... thats another issue
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Bought mine in April and the first rain it leaked,never had the top off.
Living with it until my dealer gets the parts in to attempt a fix(3rd month waiting for the parts).
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I don't own a jeep yet, when I do it will have a hard top... But I owned a Camaro with t-tops and a very thin line of petroleum bases gel stopped all leaks.... no other problems... now the leaking through the floor... thats another issue
Doesn't petroleum based products raise havoc with rubber seals? I thought that silicon based products were better.
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I really hate it when water drips on my arm when I am going through the occasional carwash. I say sue them! Maybe I can get a few bucks back for the carwashes and we can make a lawyer's day.
Probably be better off suing the "7 Flags Corp"

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You are driving a convertible. They all leak. Give me a break!
give you break, all convertibles leak,, i think not , i have had many over the years and the only one that leaks in the rain is my harley. the jeep should not,,
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Green, I agree totally. The "it is a jeep thing" part has to do with the maintenance of all of those seals. If you are careless, your jeep will leak sooner rather than later. Keeping an eye on things and taking care of them should keep your jeep from leaking. If you get one, you should be able to solve it eventually through investigation and application of known good practices....that is why they have so much to read about regarding how to solve leaks.
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If my 11 year old top on my 5k TJ doesn't leak in a rain storm then I expect a brand new top on a 30k+ JK shouldn't.
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If my 11 year old top on my 5k TJ doesn't leak in a rain storm then I expect a brand new top on a 30k+ JK shouldn't.
If you do and it leaks--are you going to "signup" for the "Class Action Law suit" ??

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If my 11 year old top on my 5k TJ doesn't leak in a rain storm then I expect a brand new top on a 30k+ JK shouldn't.
And by far....most of them don't. We hear about it a lot because people get on here and complain about them. It is the nature of a help forum for people to use them to get help on a trouble issue. We see a lot of issues when the factory gets lazy in a certain practice and there is a rash of incidents, or they change a production practice and bam.....we get slammed here. Every vehicle goes through cycles like these. It is hard not to with so many parts that make one up.
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I have still not had any leaking on my 2010 soft top. I've had it off several times and folded back in the sun rider position even more. Side panels have been off more times than I can count. I've even not zipped the zippers all the way up or down when putting them back together and then after a down pour still no leaking. I've already decided that if it does get in, I'm not gonna lose sleep over it. It is a Jeep and it just gives it character.
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I hate that mine leaked, and not a little. This is what I just had cleaned. I was told from the service department that there is no way you will get mold. They are made to get wet. I had a faucet before they replaced my top. It still leaks but not nearly as bad. Mostly on the floor and door. I have no carpet so no worries there.













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Jeep recently put out a service recall for 2010-2011 soft tops to inspect and repair/replace if they dean necessary. This still doesn't help people who have a 2007-2009 though. I have yet to take my 2010 in for the recall but we'll see how it goes. A class action law suit probably would work pretty well though, I mean after all Sony had to pay out big money for the playstation network being hacked. I deff. think it's worth looking into and I'd signed up.
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Green, I agree totally. The "it is a jeep thing" part has to do with the maintenance of all of those seals. If you are careless, your jeep will leak sooner rather than later. Keeping an eye on things and taking care of them should keep your jeep from leaking. If you get one, you should be able to solve it eventually through investigation and application of known good practices....that is why they have so much to read about regarding how to solve leaks.
This is also why a class action lawsuit would almost certainly fail. To certify a class action, you have to prove -- among other things -- that the members of the class used the product in the same way and under the same circumstances. It would be almost impossible to prove that given the differences in ways that Jeeps are used, maintained, serviced, etc.
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I hate that mine leaked, and not a little. This is what I just had cleaned. I was told from the service department that there is no way you will get mold. They are made to get wet. I had a faucet before they replaced my top. It still leaks but not nearly as bad. Mostly on the floor and door. I have no carpet so no worries there.
at least they could hook ya up with seat covers
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The law suite against Sony effected millions. I doubt that the top issue is that big...doesn't mean that you wouldn't be successful though. Lawyers jump at a chance to make a lot of money. That takes lots of folks joining the suite. I would guess there is some threshold that is likely hard to reach in filing a class action when it becomes profitable to do so.
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I took my jeep in for my Steering wheel buttons not working. (2011 2 door with dual tops, soft top on at the time).

The service manager told me about a service bulletin that they would perform on my jeep for the leaking tops. I told him that mine doesn't leak at all and he said they would still do it since it rains a lot here. I've never had my soft top or hard top leak on me yet.
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Mold on the seat is a concern, especially if you have allergies to mold, then it is a major concern, interesting thought, a class action suit. I would not expect a hard top to leak, soft top in a good rain, probably. I doubt you'd be successful suing for a soft top issue, hard top, you might have a case. Any lawyers reading this?
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I took my jeep in for my Steering wheel buttons not working. (2011 2 door with dual tops, soft top on at the time).

The service manager told me about a service bulletin that they would perform on my jeep for the leaking tops. I told him that mine doesn't leak at all and he said they would still do it since it rains a lot here. I've never had my soft top or hard top leak on me yet.
Assuming you mean a TSB, TSB's are not recalls, only there to assist the service department in the fix for a known problem. A TSB doesn't guarantee it being fixed.
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so im sitting here looking through 3 jeep forums that im a member of and see hundreds of topics of leaking hard and soft tops. now my question is, how come the jeep community on a whole has not filed a class action law suite against jeep chrysler.
we all complain about the tops, we all have them "fixed " many times over.
but not 1 post or thread about a law suite. maybe we should get a local fox news to investigate and post videos of the leaking doors and top on tv. maybe then jeep\chrysler will fix the problem.. after all there are hundred's of thousands of jeeps on American roads. just a thought.

Didn't you do some *research* on the vehicle before you purchased it??
Leaks
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After reading all of these on 4 different JK Wrangler forums,you kinda have an idea what you're in for.
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You all have the ability to hire a lawyer to seek to initiate a class action suit. He'll work on contingency, so it will cost you little to nothing to do so.

Do I think this could have some traction? Maybe. So by all means, give it a go. However, "some traction" and "winning" aren't the same thing.

A class action is nothing more than a procedural device by which many folks with similar claims can litigate all at once. At root, you all still need to have some kind of valid underlying claim. A "class action" alone doesn't get you anywhere.

Here, that'll mean you need to prove that you have a defective product. Do you? Maybe. Or maybe not. Perhaps the occasional leak is within the tolerances of the overall design.

Wrangler tops are utterly unlike anything else on the market. Key issues in the design include:

-Two tops that must fit, seal equally well, and be functional year round in all climates.
-Soft top must easily fold back to halfway point (sunrider), be able to fully fold back, and offer fully removable windows.
-Hard top must have easily removable front panels and offer rear window defrost/wiper.
-2 and 4 door versions.
-Effective sound dampening.
-Lightweight.
-No significant steel or glass use, everything is principally made of plastic and cloth.
-Removable at home by the average consumer.
-Must sit on top of removable doors.
-Must sit on top of foldable windshield.
-Must sit on top of both half doors and full steel doors.
-Must have no permanent mounting points.
-Must have no motorized components to assist in opening, closing, or latching.
-Retail price of less than $2k each.

Even with all that, most don't leak for many years. So with that in mind, is your top really suffering from a defective design? Are you going to be able to present expert testimony demonstrating there's a reasonable alternative design? What would it be?

The law doesn't (and shouldn't) demand Chrysler do the impossible or invest so much money into the design and manufacture of Wrangler tops that they become economically unfeasible.

So, again, I'm not saying you're wrong or it's an obvious loser. But there are indeed reasons you haven't seen such a claim yet.
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^^ It's part of our culture.
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