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Old 04-13-2013, 05:51 AM   #31
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Never tell a Union guy that Unions suck.
Never hire an ex Union guy.
They suck.
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I bet some people would be surprised what their hourly cost is to their employer including benefits.

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Old 04-13-2013, 07:30 AM   #33
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Sorry about that happening. Who really knows how it happened. We can all speculate though. One thing I wouldn't have done was drive it once you noticed a problem. Especially when it involves any type of fluid spilling out.

I'd ask for a new similar Jeep or a new transmission. It can't hurt to ask but keep a cool head. At the very least get a lifetime warranty. Mine hasn't had any issues with leaking trans fluid but then again I have a six speed
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Old 04-13-2013, 09:14 AM   #35
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Maybe I shouldn't have joked that the Jeep hadn't broken down yet....

Picked it up at 5 yesterday. Left work at 2:45 to start some mods and she would barely move. Limped it home 2.5 miles to discover the tranny line disconnected from the cooler. Awesome.


Gotta know what happened and what dealership you got it from
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:32 AM   #36
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My take:
Every manufacture can have an issue on a vehicle. I drove a Honda Accord, and on the test drive the passenger mirror fell off. Drove a Toyota, and on the test drive all 4 breaks locked up. I bought both vehicles (Different ones on the lot), and never had an issue. Hell......My Mom bought a food processor thin last week, and it didnt work right out of the box. Given how many products are sold, there are bound to be some that dont work, or have an issue. Regardless if its made by Union employees, Robots, or whatever. The main thin is that the dealer steps up and takes care of the issue in a way that gives the OP peice of mind on his purchase, and provides a trouble free experiance.
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:56 AM   #37
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I'd like the OP to keep us updated. I'm sure he can get them to make it right.

I also wonder, why do we blame an American union worker for a bad vehicle but not an American soldier when a battle is lost? (Hint: In both cases, the guy was probably doing his best with what he had to work with, and the fault lies with those in command.)
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Old 04-13-2013, 12:08 PM   #38
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O.K., what I remember seeing on the news, when the auto industry was in trouble was shocking to me. They showed that the average USA auto worker with benefits was making seventy some dollars per hour and in Japan they were making with benefits forty some dollars per hour. I don't remember the exact amount, but that is close. They were trying to show that it would be impossible to be competitive, because of such a wage difference.
They also showed that the USA Company's had way to many layers of management also driving up their internal costs.
Even non union workers have fringe benefits that don't factor into their wages. And all are high. Most people don't realize how much it cost an employer to keep a full time employee, the reason for so many part time jobs. Union employees also pay higher tax rates and other deductions that non union don't pay. I have worked in both. With union in a pulp mill I paid more in income tax yearly then many people's take home wage. By the time deduction came off I actually took home just over 50% of my wage. As a non union worker in the service sector I work less, make less per hour, but take home just as much on payday.

Back to the OP.. Dude I feel for you but there is an issue at hand. I personally think someone is jealous of you and monkeyed with your Jeep.
A loose or disconnected tranny line would have run that tranny dry within minutes. It would not have made it into the shop let alone back out and to your house without at least a huge tell tale oil puddle.
If you have no oil puddle in your driveway then someone has pulled that cooler line where you park at work. The tranny is done, have it replaced. Internals are likely burnt and bearing compromised. The only way I would take that tranny now is if they give you free unlimited no questions asked TRANSFERABLE lifetime drivetrain warranty.
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For peace of mind I would check with them or other whether the fluid actually circulates through the cooler all the time. I'm thinking only when it over heats (which takes more than casual driving) will it open a valve and "push" it through the cooler to reduce the heat. Doesn't look like much escaped or did they in fact check the level at the dealer ship? Seems the limp mode kicked in in order not to over heat and circulate.

Not sure about this, but see if you can fish it out of the dealer (service manager or tech.) in a casual way.
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Wow! I was checking on the OPs problem and ran into an anti-American Union thread. Unless you are a sole proprietorship, I can guarantee if we did a background check on your co-workers, there will be some slackers and/or drug addicts and alcoholics. Union and non-union. And some of them work for Lexus, Toyota, AND Honda. I have had two Wrangler JKs and they have been awesome and pretty much trouble free. No complaints. But apparently I was lucky and they were built by the few folks at UAW who do good work.

OP, look at the responses and go with your gut. The idea of replacing the vehicle is probably out of the question, but an extended warranty seems fair enough. Its the least the dealership can do and if there are any issues, the dealership gets reimbursed for the work by Chrysler anyway... Who let the Jeep leave the factory subpar anyway.
I was a Union Stewart for the Teamsters, back in the Jimmy Hoffa era. That was the time that our great country needed Unions to help eliminate the work force being abuse wage wise and having very unsafe working conditions. Hoffa was our leader and I had the opportunity to attend a luncheon were he was the guest speaker and boy could he ever send a message!!!
Today are Unions needed, well that's a whole different story and I am not about to go there! So AM I ANT-UNION, NO, NO, AND NO. What I am is against anybody drinking and doing drugs on there lunch hour and then going back to work, this applies to both Union and non-union workers.
What I am against is the Unions protecting these type of workers! These assembly workers are a insult to both the Auto industry and their Union! Hopefully that you will agree with me on that and if you don't well then too bad.................
Please keep in mind that we are paying a lot of money for their assembly workmanship. Would you want a surgeon performing a surgery on one of your family members if he, or she was drunk, or high on drugs???
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For peace of mind I would check with them or other whether the fluid actually circulates through the cooler all the time. I'm thinking only when it over heats (which takes more than casual driving) will it open a valve and "push" it through the cooler to reduce the heat. Doesn't look like much escaped or did they in fact check the level at the dealer ship? Seems the limp mode kicked in in order not to over heat and circulate.

Not sure about this, but see if you can fish it out of the dealer (service manager or tech.) in a casual way.
Transmission oil runs through the cooler at all times with enough pressure to empty the tranny to the point of non movement within 5 min.
The transmission generates enough heat in a short time that the cooler is required at all times. Opening to a cooler once it is too hot is too late. The cooler is there to prevent it from getting to hot.
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Old 04-13-2013, 02:08 PM   #42
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Damn, someone was snoozing at the factory. Unfortunate, you would never see anything like this on a Lexus (or a Honda/Toyota for that matter.) When I say "its a jeep thing" I mean something else.....I love the wrangler, but unfortunately, it's manufactured by chrysler, so isn't very good at much. That's the price we have to pay for wanting this vehicle. I expect the dealer will sort this out ASAP. Have it washed thoroughly (on their time) so the fluid doesn't eat any coating.

I owned two Honda Accords [both Japanese made] that were the most troublesome vehicles I ever owned. Transmission failures, water pump failure, electrical issues, timing belt failure at 13k miles, etc. They were far worse than my '76 AMC CJ5. My current JKU has zero issues.

Lemons can be made by any one, its just a matter of statistical percentages and the luck of the buyer.
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Old 04-13-2013, 02:11 PM   #43
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I had a similar issue with my work truck last year. From the time the line popped off the cooler to the time I pulled off the road was less than 1/2 a mile ( it was easy to see exactly where the line came off do to the stain on the dirt road) it was towed to the shop, they replaced the line filled it up with fluid and 2 months later I was stranded 70 miles from town and about 15 miles from the nearest paved road with a smoked tranny. Not awesome!
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Old 04-13-2013, 02:20 PM   #44
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I keep thinking that there are two. The one in the front seen through the grill being an aux one, the main one (or smaller stock one) where every it is located (think under the a/c?), but is the there only one and it being the one in the front? If there are two is it circulated through the second all the time or if when necessary? Looking at the couplings in this original pic, those to me look like what goes into the aux one in the front.

Don't know, just thinking aloud as it is interesting, that coupling pipe is not flexible, you have to pull it out. Was it disconnected all the time from the factory, wouldn't they notice it at the dealer test run once it came of the truck, then again, it was driven from the dealer home or to work, and only leaving work did it reveal itself. Checking around that type of coupling has caused others problems on aftermarket installs, where it looks like its connected yet isn't.

Weird situation how the installer "clicked" the one in place and not the other.

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Transmission oil runs through the cooler at all times with enough pressure to empty the tranny to the point of non movement within 5 min.
The transmission generates enough heat in a short time that the cooler is required at all times. Opening to a cooler once it is too hot is too late. The cooler is there to prevent it from getting to hot.
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Damn, someone was snoozing at the factory. Unfortunate, you would never see anything like this on a Lexus (or a Honda/Toyota for that matter.) When I say "its a jeep thing" I mean something else.....I love the wrangler, but unfortunately, it's manufactured by chrysler, so isn't very good at much. That's the price we have to pay for wanting this vehicle. I expect the dealer will sort this out ASAP. Have it washed thoroughly (on their time) so the fluid doesn't eat any coating.
Toyota Honda Lexus etc all have these same issues happening. I bought a new tundra, made it a block before my abs was kicking on every time I hit the brakes. There was a bad wheel sensor or something. I bought the truck right off the delivery trailer. Shit happens. Doesn't matter what brand you buy, issues come up when people are involved. People can make mistakes. Chrysler may have a higher rate of issues, idk, but I do know this happens with ALL makes
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Got it back Friday. Of course dealer said it was ok. Wouldn't do anything more. I'm none too happy about that. Now my mind is always wondering if that last shift was normal or not. I have it all documented on the service ticket and will be calling Chrysler next week to get unlimited warranty or new trans. If all else fails I know ways to blow it up and get a new one before the warranty expires.

Unfortunately in Az there is nothing I can legally do until it has the same issue 3 or 4 times. In the mean time I'm gonna drive it and see if it starts acting up. Take it in every time.

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Btw- I understand every manufacturer has issues. Just think of how many vehicles they crank out every day. It's how they handle the issues when they come up that separates the good from the bad. The saga is not over so no final judgement from me yet.
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For peace of mind investigate what exactly entailed. Did all the trans. oil spew out (pretty sure you would have seized up -- check for a JK in Aruba that did just that). Are there 2 coolers, one being the proper transmission cooler, the other the aux in front of the radiator. Does it circulate through both or just the main one (not the aux) and the aux only when necessary.

No good sitting around waiting and watching forever if the thing will hold up or not. Dealer will tell you want you need to hear obviously. For all you know the transmission was still sealed and fully encased in oil all the time.
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Got it back Friday. Of course dealer said it was ok. Wouldn't do anything more. I'm none too happy about that. Now my mind is always wondering if that last shift was normal or not. I have it all documented on the service ticket and will be calling Chrysler next week to get unlimited warranty or new trans. If all else fails I know ways to blow it up and get a new one before the warranty expires.

Unfortunately in Az there is nothing I can legally do until it has the same issue 3 or 4 times. In the mean time I'm gonna drive it and see if it starts acting up. Take it in every time.

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Don't say i told ya so,but i did.I like your plan.Your going to have to remove as much oil as you can.(When the time is right)Don't unscrew the pan to drain.Drain right out of filler tube.Jack back of vehicle up let the bitch run till wheels stop turning.Refill tranny with oil you removed.No in convenience for rides back and forth to stealer.Mark those cases so they only swap out guts.That service manager will be in the nut house before i got done Be RELENTLESS!! It's your money!! UNION OR NONUNION! Ohh that little scratch they put on your bumper pushing it around now havem repaint.

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