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Old 01-29-2013, 07:53 PM   #1
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Lift Question

I am looking for a good lift for a JKU Probably going with a 4" considering pro comp, rough country, I'd love to have BDS but expensive
Any suggestions?

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4,000 - JK Wrangler 2.5-3.5" Game Changing Long Travel Mid-Arm Suspension System. That's not even getting into any of the additional stuff (hint, use the search).

The BDS long arm is only 2900. So, sure, the Rough Country kit might only be 1200 bucks - but you just need a bigger frame of reference.

Also, when it comes to lifts you tend to get what you pay for...with some exceptions.

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Ok... So I have to ask. What size tires you plan on running ?
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hmm maybe 33 had 35 and liked them
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Old 02-03-2013, 02:45 PM   #5
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4" is too much for 33 and too much for 35s. You can do it but I don't think you'll believe it's proportional.
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I went with a Pro Comp 2.5" lift last month, but with Bilstein 5100 shocks instead of the Pro Comp offerings. Love the ride and solid feel, with 2.5" increase over the rear and 3.5" front, to accomodate future bumper/winch addition. The 33" tires on 17X9, 4.5" offset wheels have plenty of room for full articulation and no fender rub.
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JMO...but, as ESP said, 4" is a lot of lift for a JK. If you're planning on serious rock crawling, I could see it.

It's too much for 35s, and WAAAAY too much for 33s, which are gonna look like skateboard wheels under 4 inches of lift.

Just my thoughts on it.

I've got a 3" lift and 35s, and with the BW flatties, it's almost too much.



Also, for a 3"+ lift, you're looking at a lot of extra costs: driveshafts, high steer components, brake lines, etc. Not worth it unless you know you'll need it.

I just PMed a guy this morning...told him if there was one thing I'd change on my Jeep, if I could do it all over again, it would be the lift. Not the brand, but the height. I'd stay with 2.5" and save the $$ I spent on a new driveshaft, put it into other mods.

I don't REGRET my build, but if I had a brand new rig, I'd go 2.5" with 35s, and call it good.
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...I'd go 2.5" with 35s, and call it good.
For the trails that we've done (and want to do) out here in Arizona, in Colorado, and Moab, this setup is great.
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JMO...but, as ESP said, 4" is a lot of lift for a JK. If you're planning on serious rock crawling, I could see it.

It's too much for 35s, and WAAAAY too much for 33s, which are gonna look like skateboard wheels under 4 inches of lift.

Just my thoughts on it.

I've got a 3" lift and 35s, and with the BW flatties, it's almost too much.



Also, for a 3"+ lift, you're looking at a lot of extra costs: driveshafts, high steer components, brake lines, etc. Not worth it unless you know you'll need it.

I just PMed a guy this morning...told him if there was one thing I'd change on my Jeep, if I could do it all over again, it would be the lift. Not the brand, but the height. I'd stay with 2.5" and save the $$ I spent on a new driveshaft, put it into other mods.

I don't REGRET my build, but if I had a brand new rig, I'd go 2.5" with 35s, and call it good.
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My weightless 2 door is at or slightly above 4"
Highsteer/front driveshaft/control arms(pinion angles)

These mods possibly avoided at 2.5" or less.

Need some weight
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For the trails that we've done (and want to do) out here in Arizona, in Colorado, and Moab, this setup is great.
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My weightless 2 door is at or slightly above 4"
Highsteer/front driveshaft/control arms(pinion angles)

These mods possibly avoided at 2.5" or less.

Need some weight
I spent the last 2 days driving on Lake Winnebago...you'd think the ice would be a smooth surface, but because of all the ice shoves, ripples and gullies caused by melting/re-freezing, it's a lot like driving on washboard roads. With some nasty ruts. Potholes all over the place; very harsh...

It struck me that, in all the places I've wheeled my Jeep, I have yet to really clear an obstacle and go, "Wow, glad I had that extra 1/2" of lift." Now maybe it's helped me in some places, and I just didn't notice, but over time I've come to think that – for the wheeling I do, at least – 2.5" is plenty.

And given the fact that most lifts are taller than advertised (see kjeeper's post above...I believe he's running a RK 2.5" lift, which netted him almost 4"...I suspect I'm in the same boat, though I've got a 4-door, so it's not as apparent), I see no need to go with something higher, unless you know you're gonna need it for rock crawling, or something similar.
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Go to the Teraflex site and watch their choosing a lift video. It gives an excellent background on the basic types of lifts available and when each is appropriate.

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Lemme add...I'm not knocking taller lifts; if my Jeep was a toy that I didn't drive every day, I'd probably lift the crap out of it, take it into the hills every weekend and see what I could break.

But there's a fine line in maintaining functionality and reliability for the person who uses their rig as their primary mode of transport, like I do. If my Jeep breaks, I gotta rent some POS non-Jeep coffin that actually gets decent mileage to get around in. Hate doing that.
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I spent the last 2 days driving on Lake Winnebago...you'd think the ice would be a smooth surface, but because of all the ice shoves, ripples and gullies caused by melting/re-freezing, it's a lot like driving on washboard roads. With some nasty ruts. Potholes all over the place; very harsh...

It struck me that, in all the places I've wheeled my Jeep, I have yet to really clear an obstacle and go, "Wow, glad I had that extra 1/2" of lift." Now maybe it's helped me in some places, and I just didn't notice, but over time I've come to think that – for the wheeling I do, at least – 2.5" is plenty.

And given the fact that most lifts are taller than advertised (see kjeeper's post above...I believe he's running a TF 2.5" lift, which netted him almost 4"...I suspect I'm in the same boat, though I've got a 4-door, so it's not as apparent), I see no need to go with something higher, unless you know you're gonna need it for rock crawling, or something similar.
If you were to go with a 2.5" lift and end up getting 4" out of it. Are you still looking at replacing parts like the driveshaft etc.?
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If you were to go with a 2.5" lift and end up getting 4" out of it. Are you still looking at replacing parts like the driveshaft etc.?
That's a really good question, and not easy to answer. But I'd say yes to the driveshaft, especially the front. Simply because the 4" of height is gonna put your stock ds at an acute angle, which could (operative word) cause your CV joint to fail. Two-doors are more susceptible to this than 4-doors (both the ds angle, and ending up with more height than advertised from a 2.5" lift), but I'd replace the front ds on a 4-door, as well.

Pretty sure kjeeper runs an Adams ds in his rig (one or both, I don't know). I run a 1310 JE Reel front ds in mine, and plan on replacing the rear soon.

Thing is...all lifts are different, and seem to interact with Jeeps differently. There are folks on here who've only ended up with 3" from the same RK 2.5" lift that kjeeper runs. A lot of it depends on how much added weight your rig carries...bumpers, skids, winch, etc.

No easy answer, really. However, if I netted over 3" on any lift, I'd replace my front ds in a 4-door, and both front and rear in a 2-door. But that's just me.
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33s will look silly at that height, imo. I got 4 inches out of my 3.5 AEV lift & while I wouldn't change a thing for me, I'd recommend staying at 2.5 if you can. If not make sure you don't skimp & do it right with control arms & a high steer kit & all. You can't do 4 inches cheap.

I didn't do driveshafts yet, but I am prepared for them when, not if, they go. I did rear upper control arms with the hopes of extending the life of my rear ds for a while, plus they'll be needed with a new ds. We shall see how long I can go...

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Fixed KB

I am running RK coils now
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FYI

2 door AND 4 door front DS along with CA's for pinion angle. Either uppers or lowers by themselves will work. Adding uppers and lowers with set pinion and center the axle in the wheel well.

Rear DS on a 2 door. adding rear uppers on a 2 door may or may not prolong its life.
Uppers and lowers for pinion and wheelbase. RK arms move the axle back 1"
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Right there in your sig, too.

But, IIRC, you got ~ 4" outta the TF coils, as well. So the RKs are similar, in terms of height?
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What do you guys think of the fabtech Fabtech 5" Crawler System with Front Dirt Logic 2.5" Coilovers & Rear Dirt Logic Shocks
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What do you guys think of the fabtech Fabtech 5" Crawler System with Front Dirt Logic 2.5" Coilovers & Rear Dirt Logic Shocks
Link to specific lift? That's kind've a mouthful for Google...
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Right there in your sig, too.

But, IIRC, you got ~ 4" outta the TF coils, as well. So the RKs are similar, in terms of height?
More like 3" with TF's

I was able to find more accurate ways to determine lift heights. Comparing to Sue's 3.5" coils, we were almost identical in height.

RK's coils are one size fits all whereas TF's 2 door/4 door.
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FT never grabbed the JK market. Full size trucks and Broncos.
I would choose a lift like TF or RK. The vender support on these boards is 2nd to none.
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Thanks bro. You talking about Tera flex and rock Krawler What about rubicon express
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Nothing bad to say about RE just not as popular with the JK crowd.
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Thanks bro.
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If you were to go with a 2.5" lift and end up getting 4" out of it. Are you still looking at replacing parts like the driveshaft etc.?
Most likely!!!! I have the Rock Krawler 2 1/2 Max Travel on a 2 door; which gave me over 4" of lift after everything settled into place with heavy home built bumper and 12K winch; and yup-- had to replace drive shaft in less than 6 months.

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