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Old 10-03-2010, 12:27 PM   #1
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Lifted and now no alignment

I got a teraflex 2.5 BB lift put on last Tuesday and didn't drive it until Thursday. I had a few pretty bad death wobbles throughout the weekend and finally I made it in to a firestone shop to get the alignment.

They came back and said they could not do it because of different problems. The front needs cam bolts and rear is " too messed up" and the work needs to be re-done. The computer read out shoes that the rear us sitting with a thrust angle of 0.47 and it needs to be at .25 I have no idea what the best route is to go with this, especially with a small budget

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Old 10-03-2010, 02:14 PM   #2
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I got a teraflex 2.5 BB lift put on last Tuesday and didn't drive it until Thursday. I had a few pretty bad death wobbles throughout the weekend and finally I made it in to a firestone shop to get the alignment.

They came back and said they could not do it because of different problems. The front needs cam bolts and rear is " too messed up" and the work needs to be re-done. The computer read out shoes that the rear us sitting with a thrust angle of 0.47 and it needs to be at .25 I have no idea what the best route is to go with this, especially with a small budget
This is the reason I am afraid of lifting mine.

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Old 10-03-2010, 02:21 PM   #3
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I installed my Tera BB myself in the driveway, one afternoon. I havent had a problem and did not need an alignement either. Who did the install? I would bring it back to them with the paperwork from the alignement shop. Maybe they can figure out what they did wrong.
The thing that confuses me is there is not much to screw up when installing a BB...pull out the spring, pop the spacer in place...do all 4 springs and your halfway done with the lift.
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I installed my Tera BB myself in the driveway, one afternoon. I havent had a problem and did not need an alignement either. Who did the install? I would bring it back to them with the paperwork from the alignement shop. Maybe they can figure out what they did wrong.
The thing that confuses me is there is not much to screw up when installing a BB...pull out the spring, pop the spacer in place...do all 4 springs and your halfway done with the lift.
Thats what I was thinking. Im thinking maybe something didn't get torqued correctly or tightened down completely. I dont know what it is, I just dont want to be throwing out more cash for this. Im taking it to a 4wheel parts tomorrow and have them inspect everything, I cant really get a good look here in the garage with no way to jack up the jeep that high.
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Old 10-03-2010, 03:45 PM   #5
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Take it to a different shop who knows something about Jeeps. The rear end on Jeeps are not adjustable unless you have adjustable control arms. I am not sure, but I am doubting that .22 degrees will make a difference. I know there are some mechanics on the forum that may chime in.
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Old 10-03-2010, 09:23 PM   #6
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the type of lift, spacer vs. coil, doesn't matter from a suspension geometry standpoint.

that being said, even with a BB, the caster angle will be out. you'll want as much as possible without a driveshaft vibration. at 2.5", you should be able to achieve an acceptable caster/pinion angle without the use of cams or adjustable arms.

if you've installed larger tires, the toe will need adjusted. larger tires cause them to point in too much, and they need "toed out" this is also corrected with an alignment.

as for the rear, i bet you $20 they are refering to the rear axle being crooked due to the lift. to correct this, pick up a rear trackbar extension. this will make the axle true again and make a noticeable improvement in the driveability of the vehicle.

you can't use stock alignment specs on a modified suspension. get the toe to stock specs, get as much caster as possible without vibrations (at 3" of lift, my caster is maxed out and has no vibes) and buy a rear trackbar or extensions. they're cheap. if you get vibrations or flighty steering, drop the caster a degree.

confirm your shocks are tight, and everything is torqued down, and that's all there is to it.
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DO NOT install cam bolts on the OEM arms- you'll never be able to properly set them, they all rattle and vibrate like mad and eventually come loose, causing WORLDS of issues. Do a search on the other JK forums about this.

As for the root problems, did you install the rear track bar relocation bracket included with the kit? That SHOULD solve your rear axle issues. If not, call Teraflex. Their customer support is pretty good.
Next up, look into a front track bar relocation bracket. The one by Rock Krawler is pretty darn beefy, and I haven't seen one break yet. That SHOULD hold you over, but I'd always recommend an adjustable track bar if you want to get it just-so. Same goes for front lower control arms to dial in the front caster.

Otherwise, as has been said, it sounds like you missed something. Did you use a torque wrench to properly re-torque all your fasteners, or the old monkey-wrench crank it until it feel tight method? Mark W.
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So I got the alignment done and inspection and according to the mechanic everything checked out fine , but I still had the DW this morning on the freeway! Could this be simply related to tires needing to be balanced ?
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So I got the alignment done and inspection and according to the mechanic everything checked out fine , but I still had the DW this morning on the freeway! Could this be simply related to tires needing to be balanced ?
Yes.
Grt them rotated at ever oil change.
And if it keeps happening you'll need to replace your tires, or steering dampener, etc..
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Don't take it to Firestone. they are morons.

I used to do this for a living...trust me, they are morons. they know how to operate a machine that tells them what to do...they have no comprehension of how suspensions/front ends/brakes/tires/etc work....

re: DW
did you get a print out of the Toe?

is everything underneath tight to spec?

A steering stabilizer is not a fix for DW.

try rotate and balance tires...go from there.
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Don't take it to Firestone. they are morons.

I used to do this for a living...trust me, they are morons. they know how to operate a machine that tells them what to do...they have no comprehension of how suspensions/front ends/brakes/tires/etc work....

re: DW
did you get a print out of the Toe?

is everything underneath tight to spec?

A steering stabilizer is not a fix for DW.

try rotate and balance tires...go from there.
When my friends Jeep had it, he had to: Replace his front tires, his steering stabilizer, and bushings since the DW screwed all of those up. And rubber has a muscle memory except it's not muscle.
Cause was tires not being balanced, overtime the tires kept wobbling, due to rubber memory and it kept getting more and more violent. Then the bushings became pieces of junk, had to replace those, steering dampener(stabilizer) was shot/worn out. New one helped dampen the vibes in the steering wheel if it were to ever arise again.
My Jeep has never had death wobble and I've only rotated my tires every now and then. I just keep up on my tire pressure
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Tire rotation has nothing to do with death wobble unless you're bald or flat spotted. Balance is a biggie. That's #1 on the check list. Beyond that, not enough toe out/too much toe in (just being in-spec does NOT equal ok! What's your spec?), and loose parts are #2 & 3- Mark W.
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Crawl under your jeep and check EVERY bolt. Seriously, I mean it. Take your torque wrench with you and all of the sockets you'll need ( like 3 or 4 tops) to make it easier, should take you less than 10 minutes. If that doesn't do it, pull your jeep onto a flat surface, loosen your lower control arm bolts and rock the jeep back and forth to settle it all out.... Tighten it all to spec. DW isn't corrected by a tire rotation, balance or bigger steering stabilizer very often, that will just mask things.
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^ Actually, tires out of balance is the LEADING cause of death wobble. A lot of folks don't balance their mud tires, and have issues because of this. Or a wheel weight is torn off by a rock/root/stump.

Next up, a bigger steering stabilizer will NEVER SOLVE death wobble- as you said, it'll just mask it- Mark W.
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^ Actually, tires out of balance is the LEADING cause of death wobble. A lot of folks don't balance their mud tires, and have issues because of this. Or a wheel weight is torn off by a rock/root/stump.

Next up, a bigger steering stabilizer will NEVER SOLVE death wobble- as you said, it'll just mask it- Mark W.
me, and many others with suspension/front end experience agree with this.

somedays I feel like I'm pissing in the wind on this forum.
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