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Old 02-27-2013, 10:11 AM   #61
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Maybe you all can answer a rather simple question for me. I am looking to simply lower my lift by a few inches. I have good reason to believe My '98 still is using its stock coil springs and everything else, just with a 2" puck on top of it.

Like you all mentioned, there is no added weight so the lift is a bit higher, 3" maybe little more by my naked eye test.

My question is, since I am going closer to stock height, would all I need to do is order 4 pucks say about .75" or 1.5" ? Like I said I have reason to believe it is still stock coil springs and shocks.

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This I aam going to watch definitly my type of build.

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Maybe you all can answer a rather simple question for me. I am looking to simply lower my lift by a few inches. I have good reason to believe My '98 still is using its stock coil springs and everything else, just with a 2" puck on top of it.

Like you all mentioned, there is no added weight so the lift is a bit higher, 3" maybe little more by my naked eye test.

My question is, since I am going closer to stock height, would all I need to do is order 4 pucks say about .75" or 1.5" ? Like I said I have reason to believe it is still stock coil springs and shocks.
Why don't you just remove the 2" pucks? Your running a 98 so I'm not exactly sure how that setup works but if you have spacers and want to lower it, I would just remove the spacers.
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Thanks for responding to this guys, I am going to attempt to put on smaller tires first (31's) and see how it looks. Then I will decide if I want it lower or not.

I think with 31's and some steps or sliders I will be happy though.
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:38 PM   #65
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Awesome post esp for the Newbs!!! thanks
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Old 03-30-2013, 03:27 PM   #66
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I have an '07 JK Sport 6-speed bone stock at the moment other than a dual friction clutch I just got in because my old one wore out. I'm keeping it as my daily driver but would like to be able to take it off the road in Central Florida. Looking at running 35 x 12.5s with 4" lift. It seems that lifting 4"+ leads to a bunch of other mods (drivetrain) that I don't want to deal with. So since I plan on keeping my jeep forever I'm now looking at the AEV kit. I will be adding bumpers about 3 months after the lift but what equipment will I need in addition. It looks like control arms but I know nothing about them and could really use some help. Also, is regearing necessary on this mod... if anyone wants to touch on that, I know it's not exactly the right thread....
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I have an '07 JK Sport 6-speed bone stock at the moment other than a dual friction clutch I just got in because my old one wore out. I'm keeping it as my daily driver but would like to be able to take it off the road in Central Florida. Looking at running 35 x 12.5s with 4" lift. It seems that lifting 4"+ leads to a bunch of other mods (drivetrain) that I don't want to deal with. So since I plan on keeping my jeep forever I'm now looking at the AEV kit. I will be adding bumpers about 3 months after the lift but what equipment will I need in addition. It looks like control arms but I know nothing about them and could really use some help. Also, is regearing necessary on this mod... if anyone wants to touch on that, I know it's not exactly the right thread....
Joe, before running 35's you have to take a look at the gear ratio your jeep has. If you don't know,call jeep and giv them your vin # and that should tell you where your at. I mention that because if your not geared properly to run 35's your going to bog down severely. Nothing won't break necessarily, it just will be painfully underpowered.

Is your jeep a 2-door? If so then your drive shafts are going to be an issue if you go larger than a 2.5" lift. Note that if its an otherwise stock jeep and your running stock bumpers, generally your going to end up with close to a 3.5-4" lift depending on the lift you get. AEV tends to average out at about 3.5". Their kits run progressive springs on all corners and overall it's a solid kit. It has drawbacks like the lack of control arms and the use of brackets to reposition your stock arms, etc. equally priced kits tend to be more complete and offer the same parts quality. Take a look at the first page and read about the different options, then let us know what you think works best for you.
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Yes mine is a 2-door. I plan on finding gearing information later and will look up the right thread to post that info. It looks like to really get what I want I'm going to need to get new drive shafts as well, which is ok with me, I'll just cry myself to sleep because of the cost for an extra night.

Since that's the case I've been looking more at 3.5"/4" lifts now because I really like the look of those and I plan on adding some serious weight later on with bumpers tire carrier etc...

Here are a few of the links I've checked out, any advice on the drive shaft issue would be good as well as the control arms. I'm practically clueless on those two and trying to wrap my head around all this stuff before I start throwing crappy stuff on my baby.

Heard nothing but good things about this one, just very expensive...
Old Man Emu OMEJK4 - Old Man Emu 4" Suspension System for 07-13 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

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Pro Comp Suspension Part K3085BMX - 4 Inch Stage I Lift Kit with MX-6 Shocks

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Rancho Part RS6507BS - 4 Inch Sport Suspension System with RS5000 shocks

Again I don't plan on doing any crazy crawling or anything but I want to be able to throw some mud around and not get smoked at a trail ride or anything like that so I don't think it's necessary for me to go top of the line as far as ride quality is concerned but longevity is something I'm looking for as well.

With all this said, one of these kits plus drive shafts and control arms... Is there anything else you or anyone else recommends to get me started, I've got wheels and tires covered and am looking into the gearing issue as well. I plan on a lot more down the road but this is the big one I want to knock out and get started with.

Thanks for your time this is a ton of stuff to sift through... Happy Easter all.
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Old 04-15-2013, 03:22 PM   #69
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Ok I'm new to jeeps and lifts. I've been researching lifts for awhile and think I want the rancho 2".

Does this kit come with Everything I Need? If not what else will I be needing with it?

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Old 04-15-2013, 03:31 PM   #70
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Oh and another question.... I actually like my current rake. So if I go with the 2" rancho and don't put on the front spacer, will this look/be fine?

Anybody run this?

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If you have a 2004, you're posting in the wrong section for this question. You need to ask this in the TJ section (here).



Have you read the JK section sticky on Death Wobble (here)?

If you do, you'll realize that--unless you're installing an inferior trackbar--the brand of kit basically has nothing to do with DW. DW is almost always trackbar related, usually affecting or originating with loose or worn bolts or bolt holes on the axle side mount for the trackbar. Whether you have loose or worn parts isn't related to whether you're installing a TeraFlex kit, an AEV kit, a MetalCloak kit, etc.

The warranty impacts of modifications are simple to understand. The jeep as it comes from the factory is covered by the factory warranty. Anything you change is no longer covered, and anything damaged by what you change is no longer covered. The rest of the components (i.e., the original components that are not damaged by any of your changes) remain covered.
Mike, You lost me on that warranty explanation, mind explaining it to me in more layman terms
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The Rancho 2" Sport Kit doesn't use a front spacer. Did you read through this thread?

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/ran...ed-208397.html

Do you have a 2-door or a 4-door Jeep? There are different kits for each. This lift will eliminate the factory rake. If you want to maintain it, you'll have to either buy and install a taller rear spacer or taller rear springs. Doing either of those will require additional modification to the rear, an adjustable rear trackbar or a trackbar relocation bracket and longer sway bar links.

I am running the Rancho 2" with no other components and it runs fine with my 4-door. But it also sits mostly level and I have a winch installed on the front.

Another thread to review...
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/ran...xl-226335.html

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Old 04-15-2013, 10:48 PM   #73
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Yes! And yes it does use one! Or I am just reading this pic wrong?

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You are reading the pic correctly, but Rancho has changed the kit and that is an old pic. This is discussed in detail in the thread I posted.

If you ordered the kit and received an old one with the front spacer, then you would just ignore it.

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The two door kit has also been changed. Rancho has added a 1.75 inch rear spacer and eliminated both of the .75 inch spacers in response to complaints of a reverse rake (nose high) on two doors without a heavy front bumper and winch.

So to be clear you only get front coil springs and rear spacers.

You can pick on the 2 inch kit to see what's included.

http://www.gorancho.com/suspension.p...3_jeep_jk#lift

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Ok thanks one traveller!!!

That pic I sent was from quadratec, are they still sending out the old kits or just haven't updated the website?
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Sorry I can't add any useful information. I just wanted to give big thanks for such an awesome write up and all the great follow ups (by everyone, especially Matador).

I'm a newb with a stock JKS with enough mech knowledge to DIY my own stuff. But posts like this are invaluable before starting a project.

Thanks again!
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Old 05-07-2013, 11:48 AM   #78
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That's what its all about, just looking to help others out.
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Hi Matador, Just a question. I see that you did not list the Rough Country 2.5" lift part # PERF678. These kits price out at $ 329.00 complete with shocks and progressive springs. Any opinion on it ? Thanks.
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Hi Matador, Just a question. I see that you did not list the Rough Country 2.5" lift part # PERF678. These kits price out at $ 329.00 complete with shocks and progressive springs. Any opinion on it ? Thanks.
I'm not Matador, but let me take a crack at this question . . .

Matador of course couldn't create a write-up for every kit out there. He had to make some choices about which to include in this thread, and the RC kit you mention didn't make it.

More importantly though, the kits Matador have included in this thread are all quintessential, well known, and popular examples of their type.

The RC kit you refer to is probably the cheapest spring kit on the market. It's a "discount brand" sold at "discount" prices. Like Harbor Freight tools and Wal-Mart brand clothes.

And that's okay sometimes. But if you encountered a news article comparing small sedans offered BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus, would you be surprised that the reviewer didn't also include a review the latest small sedan from Kia? Of course not--the Kia, while no doubt a cheaper way to get a four wheeled vehicle that drives you someplace, is not in the same league.

In my opinion, when it comes to altering your vehicle's suspension (a serious and signicant change that effects handling, and, therefore, safety) you generally "get what you pay for." RC has a budget boost I'd consider, but otherwise, I'm not interested.
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I ordered the TF 2.5 coil lift. This thread mentions needing a new front track bar if I'm running stock bumpers.

Just checking, is this a certainty? Basically should I order one before I install the lift or can I wait and see? Certainly don't want to install the whole lift without the new track bar if my front end is gonna be hosed up.

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I ordered the TF 2.5 coil lift. This thread mentions needing a new front track bar if I'm running stock bumpers.

Just checking, is this a certainty? Basically should I order one before I install the lift or can I wait and see? Certainly don't want to install the whole lift without the new track bar if my front end is gonna be hosed up.

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Its tough to say where you'll end up in comparison to where you were while stock when it comes to that lift. The kit runs linear springs which can have a larger range of actual lift depending on what your running or where you were stock. For example, the lift will sit lower if you have a hard top than if you have a soft top, or if your running aftermarket bumpers etc.

A trackbar will come into play typically when you go over 2-2.5" it will shift your axle over to the driver side probably around 1/4" and a bit more the higher you go. An aftermarket track bar will be adjustable and you'll be able to push the axle over to the Pass. side and recenter everything.

If I were you I would measure everything on a flat surface. Straighten up your wheels and mark a measuring point on the tires and frame of the Jeep. You'll use the same exact points after the lift to determine if anything shifted and whether you'll need a new track bar.
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Thanks Mat.

Maybe I'll use this as excuse to go ahead and get the bar. . You know, just in case.
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I got into the rum last night, so I went ahead and ordered the TF adjustable track bar.

I'm erring on the side of caution as I don't want to get the lift installed and find out my geometry is fubared.

Anything else I'm missing that is going to require me to break open the piggy bank?
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I always tell people upgrading their suspension to also upgrade their factory bolts. The trackbar in particular is known to be smaller and full threaded and overtime might cause significant wear leading to death-wobble. The synergy kit covers your track bars (Front and back) and your control arms. All bolts that should be loosened anyway so might as well replace them with better quality bolts

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I always tell people upgrading their suspension to also upgrade their factory bolts. The trackbar in particular is known to be smaller and full threaded and overtime might cause significant wear leading to death-wobble. The synergy kit covers your track bars (Front and back) and your control arms. All bolts that should be loosened anyway so might as well replace them with better quality bolts

Synergy Suspension*::*Jeep JK*::*Synergy Suspension Jeep JK Lower Control Arm & Track Bar Hardware Kit
Synergy kit is sitting in the garage, will install same time I do the lift.

And along w/ the coils and shocks, I've got the adj track bar and exhaust spacer kit on the way.

Hopefully that gets all my bases covered.
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2013 Wrangler JK 2DR - 3.5" Lift with 33" Tires on 16" Rims

I just lifted my Wrangler and thought it might be helpful to give a photo and an opinion of what worked well.

My '13 JK 2 door has a 3.5" SkyJacker lift (springs and shocks) with Goodrich All Terrain T/A tires (285/75 r16) and 16x9 KMC XD Enduro rims. The tires stick out about 2-2.5" past the fenders with these wheels and tires. I should note that my Wrangler is a 5 speed with 3.21 gears, and it has plenty of power. Gas mileage dropped a few mpg, though (to be expected). All I can say is I love the look and how it drives. I didn't pick up too much bounce with the new springs (there is a little bit).

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Looks great Charlie.

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