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Old 04-08-2012, 04:45 PM   #1
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Smile Lifting my 2012 JKU Sport S Automatic

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I just came back from Moab, UT -- spent 4 days offroading in my fully stock Jeep, and was truly amazed at how much it could handle -- Infact I was the only one on Hell's Revenge with a total stock, hehe! The trail initially didn't require clearance higher than stock, but towards the end the rock ledges took a good bite at my skid plates.

Anyways, I decided to get some lift on our Jeep, and maybe add bigger tires. I spent some time reading through the forum, talked to a bunch of people in Moab Easter Jeep Safari showcase etc., and got some views. So, here're a bunch of thoughts/questions:

- My gear ratio (3.73 I believe) limits the tire size I could put in?

- I really want to do offroading, but, I also do use my Jeep heavily for commute, and long distance driving. So, I would like if I could keep my mpg as close to factory as possible. Should go with spacers or coil lifts?

- Want to install rock crawlers on the side bars, and a bumper in the front. All of this would add weight which my lift would have to tackle.

- I'm concerned about hwy handling after putting this lift. So, I'm just looking for a sweet spot, which would allow good handling on hwy, yet more clearance and shock absorbance in offroads.

I know this is such a commonly asked question, so, I'm adding the threads I've read through, so you don't feel I didn't do my homework:
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/jk-...ews-25157.html
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/lif...ed-138171.html
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/ter...ft-143487.html
The thread about death wobble -- and need for changing from factory nuts.

So, given these threads, my impression was to go for Teraflex BB, but they also seemed to say that BB (basically spacers right) is just for lift, not necessarily for better offroading. And for offroading, one should go with coil springs.

Anws, help me out here put everything together.
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Way to go out and wheel that sucker stock! Nice!

I'm fixing to sit down for Easter dinner, so don't have much time to were anything up, but here are a few points.

The main purpose of a lift is to allow for larger tires. Larger tires is also the only way to truly gain ground clearance, as that is the only way to lift the pumpkins of the axles.

Since you are wanting to add armor and bumper(s), I would urge you to look into a coil lift versus a budget boost. The new coils will handle the added weight much better than the stock coils.

My recommendation would be to look into the Teraflex 2.5" coil lift ($775 from Northridge with Bilstein shocks) or the Rock Jeweled Stock Mod. With the RK kit, you would need to add shocks to. Also, the RK kit seems to give a bit more lift than the TF kit. But both are great kits.

For tires, 33s would give you a bit more clearance between the pumpkins and the ground. 35s would give more clearance of course, but they will also hit your performance, mpg, and wallet much harder than 33s.

I'll check back in on the thread after I have family time. Happy Easter to all my WF peeps!

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Hey guys,

I just came back from Moab, UT -- spent 4 days offroading in my fully stock Jeep, and was truly amazed at how much it could handle -- Infact I was the only one on Hell's Revenge with a total stock, hehe! The trail initially didn't require clearance higher than stock, but towards the end the rock ledges took a good bite at my skid plates.

Nice!
4fit pretty much laid it out, but I'll elaborate a little.


Anyways, I decided to get some lift on our Jeep, and maybe add bigger tires. I spent some time reading through the forum, talked to a bunch of people in Moab Easter Jeep Safari showcase etc., and got some views. So, here're a bunch of thoughts/questions:

- My gear ratio (3.73 I believe) limits the tire size I could put in?

You'll be fine with 33's. With 35" tires, you'll lose power in high gear, especially when trying to pass on the freeway or when going up hills. If you're in a manual, there will be times when 6th gear will be worthless. That applies to OD if you're in an auto.

- I really want to do offroading, but, I also do use my Jeep heavily for commute, and long distance driving. So, I would like if I could keep my mpg as close to factory as possible. Should go with spacers or coil lifts?

- Want to install rock crawlers on the side bars, and a bumper in the front. All of this would add weight which my lift would have to tackle.

- I'm concerned about hwy handling after putting this lift. So, I'm just looking for a sweet spot, which would allow good handling on hwy, yet more clearance and shock absorbance in offroads.

I agree with 4fit about the lift and tires. The TF or RK 2.5" lift should suit your needs well...your Jeep will have better handling on the road with either of these. And the 33" tires will limit the mpg damage, as well as prevent you from having to spend the extra $$ (which is pretty significant) needed to run 35's.

I know this is such a commonly asked question, so, I'm adding the threads I've read through, so you don't feel I didn't do my homework:
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/jk-...ews-25157.html
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/lif...ed-138171.html
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/ter...ft-143487.html
The thread about death wobble -- and need for changing from factory nuts.

So, given these threads, my impression was to go for Teraflex BB, but they also seemed to say that BB (basically spacers right) is just for lift, not necessarily for better offroading. And for offroading, one should go with coil springs.

Anws, help me out here put everything together.
Thanks!
As mentioned, your ground clearance comes from larger tires. The lift simply allows you to run those larger tires without interference.

To do what I think you want to do, you'll need the lift, new wheels w/backspacing of 4.5" or less, and some 33" tires.

As for the wheels, you might consider going with a smaller diameter than stock. You can buy 15" or 16" tires AND wheels for the same, or sometimes less, than you can 17" tires alone.

Some other folks will chime in with ideas, but it sounds to me like you're on the right track.
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X2 on the 33's. With your ratio you won't take much of a hit, but it'll be a better tire. If you want a little more break over angle you could even go with a 3" lift for those ledges. My vote is for 33's and a 2.5 or 3 inch lift. You can always upgrade to 35's if you want them and sell your 33's on Craigslist or on the for sale section here. You should look for a light wheel and tire combo/consider an all terrain tread for better commuting. A lot of people love MB72 rims and 33/12.5/15 duratracs. That's the lightest 33" combo you can get
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Cool on getting your JKU off road... then looking for what you want.

I am in your same boat... exact requirements, same year,auto, 3.73...etc
Just did the Rubi rails and ACE sliders this past week.

My .02 ..or should I say the road I'm going down. (hope to install next week... as parts arrive)

RK 2.5 Flex
Fox 2.0 shocks
33" duratrac on some 17" ATX wheels.
JE Reel F shaft
PSC evap skid
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ENGO 10K synthetic line

After that round, beefing up the D30 gussets, maybe sleeves. not sure on locker and axles yet... need to get it dirty and flexed before I decide.

Good luck man!
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I just lifted my 2012 Unlimited this weekend. I installed the AEV 2.5" Dual Sport lift, MB TKO's (16" & 18mm offset) and 315/75/16 Duratracks. The 315's were only $10 more than the 285's so I decided to give them a try. The measured out at 34" on an 8.5" rim. I am running 3.73 gears and the power of the 3.6L seems plentiful even with the tires. Time will tell how the mileage is effected. My only concern with the set-up is the durability of the front Dana 30 with 35's. The ride with the AEV is awesome!

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I'd be more concerned about what to do if you get a flat than the "durability of the front Dana 30." Your front axle will be just fine. If you plan on heavy duty rock crawling or mud bogging then you can always reinforce it.
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I think everyone answered most of it (but you live right around the corner of me) so I wanted to chime in and see how it goes
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4fit and others: Great advice. Teraflex 2.5" coil lift it is. I was looking for one with Bilstein shocks, but could only find ones with TF 9550 shocks:
Tera Flex JK 4-door 2.5 inch Lift Kit, W/Shocks (1251000)

I guess Bilstein is better? Do I need to buy TF w/o shocks, and then buy bilstein shocks separately?

kbwwolf: I guess I can't keep my wheels eh? This would get expensive, need to save more . I'm looking at this website to get an idea of wheel prices. They don't seem to show much price difference between 17" vs 16":
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steed77: Your config sounds awesome. Would love to see some pics.

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4fit and others: Great advice. Teraflex 2.5" coil lift it is. I was looking for one with Bilstein shocks, but could only find ones with TF 9550 shocks:
Tera Flex JK 4-door 2.5 inch Lift Kit, W/Shocks (1251000)

I guess Bilstein is better? Do I need to buy TF w/o shocks, and then buy bilstein shocks separately?

kbwwolf: I guess I can't keep my wheels eh? This would get expensive, need to save more . I'm looking at this website to get an idea of wheel prices. They don't seem to show much price difference between 17" vs 16":
Wheel Products - Discount Tire Direct

steed77: Your config sounds awesome. Would love to see some pics.

Chris: Aha.. a neighbour on the forum! :-)
You have to call Northridge to get the TF and Bilsteins setup. They don't have it on their site.

For the wheels, you are correct that there isn't a huge difference in wheel price from 16 to 17. It's the tires that go on those wheels that have a large price difference. However, if you want to stick with stock wheels, you can do so by either going with a tall and skinny tire (pizza cutter) such as the 255/80/17 BFG KM2, or you can get some 1.5" SpiderTrax wheel spacers and be able to run a much wider tire.

On edit: I just went back and reread my first post. Damn I sure seemed drunk!
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It cracks me up when the 255 80 17 is considered "tall and skinny" and "pizza cutter" when it's the same width as the stock 255 75 17.
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I ran the 255/75/17's on my previous 2 door, they do look narrow at first, but I thought they were a good choice.


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It cracks me up when the 255 80 17 is considered "tall and skinny" and "pizza cutter" when it's the same width as the stock 255 75 17.
But a full inch taller. That's why I consider them that. Then again, I consider the stock tires pizza cutters too. lol
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For sure! If you ever want help or to go wheelin' let me know!
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I ran the 255/75/17's on my previous 2 door, they do look narrow at first, but I thought they were a good choice.


imho tall and skinny looks much better than fat and wide.
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Just called Northridge, and talked to Sean (IIRC). Ordered the TF kit with Bilstein, should be here by the end of week, yay!! For now, I decided to just stick to my current tires and use-up their fresh tread as much as I can, before I purchase an awesome looking MT tire.

Btw, one installation question: What do you guys use in your garage to lift your jeep off the ground? I'm presuming I'd have to lift it up to install the kit. My first time doing install on the underside of the Jeep :-).
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imho tall and skinny looks much better than fat and wide.
Yes, it is your opinion. IMHO I like my tires just as tall (or taller) but wider. I will take my 315's all day long.

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Just called Northridge, and talked to Sean (IIRC). Ordered the TF kit with Bilstein, should be here by the end of week, yay!! For now, I decided to just stick to my current tires and use-up their fresh tread as much as I can, before I purchase an awesome looking MT tire.

Btw, one installation question: What do you guys use in your garage to lift your jeep off the ground? I'm presuming I'd have to lift it up to install the kit. My first time doing install on the underside of the Jeep :-).
The TF kit comes with new rear sway bar end links that are longer than stock (stock rears are used up front). Because of this, unless you run wheel spacers or new wheels with less backspacing, they *may* make contact with the inside of the rear tire. I know some people have mounted the links inboard instead of outboard. This allows enough clearance to get by without new wheels or spacers.

For the lift install, get a good floor jack (one that extends to 21"+ would be great) and some strong jack stands.

Here is a good write-up on installing the TF 2.5" budget boost. I know you are going with the coil lift, but this should still give you a very good idea of what you can expect and the tools needed.
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Yes, it is your opinion. IMHO I like my tires just as tall (or taller) but wider. I will take my 315's all day long.

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The pizza cutter makes me remind more of the original willies. Then again, it all depends on the type of surface you're riding through.




*edit*: sorry, didn't want to turn the thread into a fat-tire/tall-tire comparison. Is the TF coil lift reversable? I saw a video of TF where-in they change the suspension (which made an impressive difference btw. They drove a stock JK first at max 10mph over a bumpy road and after the TF conversion they could hit the same piece of road at 50mph!). However, it was a one-way conversion so that kinda ruined it for me...
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On edit: I just went back and reread my first post. Damn I sure seemed drunk!
Rock Jeweled Stock Mod?

Kinda wondered where that came from...
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Ordered Spidertrax 1.5" wheel spacers as well. Will pick up a floor jack and jack stands from Harbor Freight, and I should be good to go for the weekend.

Thanks for all the advice and help guys! Will post some pics once I'm done with the installation.
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Rock Jeweled Stock Mod?

Kinda wondered where that came from...
That's the first thing that jumped out at me when I reread it. Lmao
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Just called Northridge, and talked to Sean (IIRC). Ordered the TF kit with Bilstein, should be here by the end of week, yay!! For now, I decided to just stick to my current tires and use-up their fresh tread as much as I can, before I purchase an awesome looking MT tire.

Btw, one installation question: What do you guys use in your garage to lift your jeep off the ground? I'm presuming I'd have to lift it up to install the kit. My first time doing install on the underside of the Jeep :-).
You'll want at least 3 jacks, each capable of 4-6 tons (only because of their height).

Good write up here (just take the generalities): Project-JK.com - Jeep JK Wrangler Resource » Full Traction Suspension Jeep JK Wrangler 3″ Ultimate Lift Installation Write-Up

Also, feel free to PM me if you need a set of hands
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That's the first thing that jumped out at me when I reread it. Lmao


Looking at my keyboard, couldn't figure out how you got "Jeweled" out of "Krawler," even with spell correction. First few letters, I could see it...but then it just fell apart. Lush.
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Thanks Chris! Will surely let you know if I need help. Just realized this weekend I'm busy, so looks like I'll have to wait another week before I can enjoy doing the install.
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Started working on it today. Northridge sent me the parts real quick, but last week was busy. So far removed factory stuff from front section -- here're some pictures. Lot of HF tools in play :-).

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So far installing Bilstein shocks is causing a lot of pain -- don't like the idea of having a hex on the top when I barely have any space for a single wrench there . Running out to get a Otherwise, I like the looks of new TF shocks in the front.

Btw, I'm going out to buy 9/16" nuts (grade 8) to install on my track bar to avoid the death wobble issue. But the Poly kit that people are mentioning has lot more nuts.. I presume one is supposed to replace other stock nuts too? Something I should worry about now?? Or, just that one nut on track bar is good for now?

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