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Old 09-23-2012, 12:15 AM   #1
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Lockpick v.5 vs Navtv?

So, I have read some of the threads on these before but haven't seen much on the newest lockpick. An installer I met the other day tried to sell me on Navtv. He seemed very knowledgeable and stated that the Navtv products always worked better in his opinion. From reading the sites, it seems like the new lockpick has more features though? But I have never seen either one. Anyone with any opinions about either of these/

2013 Auto 430N - Will use at least rear camera, when I have spare cash I would maybe look at throwing on some front wheeling cameras. Otherwise would like the unlock features for while we travel. Both of us currently have iphones (I hate the damn thing, but that is another story!).

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I had the Lockpick V2 in my old 08, and was very happy with it. I have the V5 sitting on my garage shelf waiting for my 13 with 730N to get here. One thing I always liked better about the Lockpick was that it emulated the VES rear entertainment mode. I could put a movie in and send it to the headrest monitors I had in there for our son, while my wife and I could listen to something different. Or, if she and rear seat passengers wanted to watch the same movie, it could do that too.

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Thinking of buying it myself...but mostly just so I can access nav system on the go...which frankly, seems like a ridiculous amount to spend for this capability. Any less expensive options?
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I luv my lockpick. I installed the V5 on my 2012 unlimited, for the backup camera, but being able to turn on/off the feature of typing in Nav functinos is a bonus. Not sure if I would purchase just for that feature though. Planning on installing a front camera on the windshield behind the mirror for a accident cam. So many things to upgrade so little time.
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Planning on installing a front camera on the windshield behind the mirror for a accident cam.
Whats the deal with that? So if you are in accident and the other party is at fault but arguing it? Are you having it constantly record?
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Planning on installing a front camera on the windshield behind the mirror for a accident cam.
What is "a accident cam"? Does it record accidents or just allow you to watch them on the screen as they happen?
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Knowing what I know now, and how crappy the sound is out of the Infinity systems (2013's are different I think?), I wish I got the base radio and just spent money on better speakers and a high quality nav head unit.

That said, regarding the lockpick - most reviews I've seen have been positive....but my lockpick actually failed today, less than a year old. CHR550 purchased in December and installed in March into a '12 JKUR with the 730 head unit. Has been working mostly* fine since then, but started Jeep this afternoon and the head unit will not turn on - no screen at all, just black. I would say this could be anything....except - and this is no joke - the exact same thing happened to my brother last week.

We bought our Jeeps around the same time, and I convinced him to get the lockpick, so we bought them at the same time and installed within a month or so of each other. Last week his radio stopped working (also the 730), after removing the lockpick, radio came back. He checked all connections, reinstalled, still no radio. So he removed it and that was that.

Until today, when mine did the same thing. I don't believe in coincidences.

Calls to Coastal Electronics thus far have not been reassuring, but I'm hoping that they step up and take care of this. At this point they're telling us that it's a problem with the install, either bent pins or displaced DIP switches. No acknowledgement of the coincidental timing, or the fact that both units were working for +/- 9 months and stopped working within days of each other.

I'll probably make a new post in the next few days with a summary/update for anyone who's interested.

* The "mostly" refers to the fact that every so often since the install (weeks or months between occurrences), on both of our units, you would start the vehicle and the radio did not turn on, you would have to push the button to wake it up. All this leads me to believe there is a software/firmware issue they either don't know about or haven't been able to identify/fix.
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I'll probably make a new post in the next few days with a summary/update for anyone who's interested.

* The "mostly" refers to the fact that every so often since the install (weeks or months between occurrences), on both of our units, you would start the vehicle and the radio did not turn on, you would have to push the button to wake it up. All this leads me to believe there is a software/firmware issue they either don't know about or haven't been able to identify/fix.

Posting the follow up would be great.
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Took the dash apart, disconnected the big gray plug from the lockpick and reconnected the OEM plug back into the headunit, which then worked fine. Then reversed it and reconnected the lockpick, which began to work again. Has been OK for a couple of days. Will wait a few more days before reinstalling the dash, since each time you do it you risk breaking some of the more delicate tabs around the lower/side portion of the center stack.

Not an electronics expert, but I still suspect it being some sort of firmware defect and perhaps removing all power to the unit was sufficient to reset it.

Hope I don't have to do this every X months.

My brother has decided to not reinstall his, but if he does, I'm suspecting it will probably work. Who knows?

FWIW, a number of calls during business hours to Coastal Electronics have gone straight to voicemail, and I have not left them any messages.
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Took the dash apart, disconnected the big gray plug from the lockpick and reconnected the OEM plug back into the headunit, which then worked fine. Then reversed it and reconnected the lockpick, which began to work again. Has been OK for a couple of days. Will wait a few more days before reinstalling the dash, since each time you do it you risk breaking some of the more delicate tabs around the lower/side portion of the center stack.

Not an electronics expert, but I still suspect it being some sort of firmware defect and perhaps removing all power to the unit was sufficient to reset it.

Hope I don't have to do this every X months.

My brother has decided to not reinstall his, but if he does, I'm suspecting it will probably work. Who knows?

FWIW, a number of calls during business hours to Coastal Electronics have gone straight to voicemail, and I have not left them any messages.
It may not be the lockpick... just food for thought here, but I had issues with my 730N Nav unit just like you mentioned. Fully stock, no other add-ons, and it would just fail to start or freeze at the Jeep logo. It was down for about 1 week one time, I had even called to get it serviced under warranty but Jeep dealer told me they were back ordered and they were seeing issues with many of these nav units, but Chrysler was not providing any fix or had a clue what happened. I would disconnect the battery, remove fuses, etc. and it remained frozen. Then, it just started working again. Did not have an issue with it for about 3 months, and it did it again. That next time, it only lasted one night froze. It's been about 6 months now and I have not had any issues with it. This is on a 2012 JK.

Anyway, so my dealer said several others reported the same issue, and had it happen again even after installing a new head unit. It magically goes away...

I'm thinking it probably has some kind of heat sensor that shuts it down when it over heats, and this is malfunctioning at random. But, its been at least 6 months and no issues again, so I'm hoping that's the end of the blanking out issue.

I have been looking at the lockpick for a while, and will probably get one sooner than later. It'll be interesting if these are two seperate problems, since now I'll have to deal with twice the chance of blacking out. But, hey... they might just be related, and you think its the lockpick, and then it clears and starts magically working again.

Hopefully it doesn't come back for you!
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Thanks for that feedback LBrito, very interesting. You're certainly right, it could be a headunit issue. The odd timing of it happening to both my brother and me at around the same time, and the fact that it reset after disconnecting/reconnecting definitely made me think the lockpick was involved.

Then again, I suppose the same theory of it being some sort of firmware issue that resolves itself by pulling all power from it could also apply to the headunit. Or it could be completely something else. The fact that you removed power (fuses, battery) and it didn't solve it kind of puts me back in the totally f'n confused camp.

I suppose electrical gremlins aren't the sole province of German cars (a la my Audi and BMW, which are rolling short circuit factories)....so I'll just keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best.
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What is "a accident cam"? Does it record accidents or just allow you to watch them on the screen as they happen?
Yeah its a camera that you can hook up to the lockpick and view the screen on the factory 430n etc. The sweet thing is the camera has a SD card that records video in 35min increments HD quality. Kinda kewl if you get in an accident or go offroad and want to record video. The one i'm looking at has a GPS installed in the camera that will record your speed and location like a security camera, also has a built in mic. Just looking at the camera's on ebay and debating which one i want.
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My husband just installed the CHR550 in my 2012 JKU last weekend. The picture is very dark when I put the JEEP into reverse, so much that it is useless. At first I thought maybe it was due to the location the camera itself and I called the company I ordered from. They wanted to send out a new one to test the problem, great customer service. BUT... I decided to go and see if there were any settings that I could adust (there are none). I did notice that if I was in park and selected to view video from anywhere within the TV mode that the picture is nice and clear and BRIGHT. Once I go into the reverse it goes dark! Likely NOT a camera issue. So now I'm researching and finding other people having the same issue. I will be returning the CHR550, I did not order from Coasteltech. I think lots of problems are coming from that model, the CHR550. And to be honest the ipod integration really didn't do much for me... It sometimes doesn't even connect when I plug it in. I will go with either lockpick v5 or more likely Nav-tv since they have better customer service and I don't really find many complaints about that unit. I am very disappointed though
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You don't happen to have a back up light do you? I'm just wondering if any additional lights are illuminating out the back of your Jeep, hence causing your camera's exposure to adjust accordingly...


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My husband just installed the CHR550 in my 2012 JKU last weekend. The picture is very dark when I put the JEEP into reverse, so much that it is useless. At first I thought maybe it was due to the location the camera itself and I called the company I ordered from. They wanted to send out a new one to test the problem, great customer service. BUT... I decided to go and see if there were any settings that I could adust (there are none). I did notice that if I was in park and selected to view video from anywhere within the TV mode that the picture is nice and clear and BRIGHT. Once I go into the reverse it goes dark! Likely NOT a camera issue. So now I'm researching and finding other people having the same issue. I will be returning the CHR550, I did not order from Coasteltech. I think lots of problems are coming from that model, the CHR550. And to be honest the ipod integration really didn't do much for me... It sometimes doesn't even connect when I plug it in. I will go with either lockpick v5 or more likely Nav-tv since they have better customer service and I don't really find many complaints about that unit. I am very disappointed though
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What kind of camera is it?
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You don't happen to have a back up light do you? I'm just wondering if any additional lights are illuminating out the back of your Jeep, hence causing your camera's exposure to adjust accordingly...

Well yes, I have standard backup lights on my wrangler like all the others do. I would think if that was the issue that everyone would be in the same boat. Worth looking into though. My husband is not thrilled about having to go back in there and take it all apart again, it was a challenge cramming the module and the HUGE wiring harness next to the head unit!
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I wrote the NavTV sales staff Thursday night:

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I have a 2012 Jeep Wrangler with the 430N nav system. I've been comparing your system to the Coastal system and am having trouble deciding which to get. In trying to compare, it looks like the other system has more wires and an iPod input, but it seems like the Nav-TV unit doesn't?

I may just be bleary-eyed from reading specs, but are there really any key differences between the two systems?

Also, the Nav-TV system is about $55 more than I've found the other system for on Amazon. I'd rather buy once and buy quality, however I'm hoping you can clarify these details for me.

And yes, I'm writing you and not Coastal as I'm leaning towards your system given what I've read about your customer service. That means a lot. But so does price and unit functionality.

Lastly, I'm mainly looking for dvd unlock, nav input while driving, and the ability to hook up a backup cam (namely one with the parking lines as my jeep is lifted and on 35's and I have a full size spare that covers nearly my entire back window).

Any feedback/insight would be greatly appreciated.
They replied Friday morning in a very honest and candid fashion:

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Thank you for your interest in our products.

Although the Coastal LockPick has a few more bells and whistles than our AllGIG, our module is a very solid and reliable unit, and is backed by our dedicated sales and support team.

The video/navigation in motion, as well as the camera input work very well with this module.

In a world where more and more products are being manufactured out of the country, Nav-TV proudly develops and builds our products right here in the United States. This also means that if there are any issues, they can be addressed directly and quickly in-house.

As far as price vs. quality, think of it this way, the price is something that you have to deal with once, while the quality is relevant to the entire life of the module.

Thanks,
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I have zero intention of adding head-rest monitors, nor do I need an iPod integration cable (heck I have the USB port in my center console for that anyway if I choose to go that route).

On top of that, "Made in the USA" still counts for a lot with me. I need to find out if the Coastal unit is made here or overseas. If it's made elsewhere, I know which one I'll be going with. If they're both made here, I'll still be in a conundrum.
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I installed the Lockpick last night in my 2013, but can't comment on functionality yet since I got the radio security code screen when I plugged it back in, so I'm SOL until I can get it from the dealer
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I can attest to the quality of the NavTV unit and their customer service. Installed in 2011 730N unit without any problem. All works great and I had them wire in a relay to make it even easier. Little more expensive but worth it IMHO
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Has anyone actually actually installed either of these in a 2013 yet? I got my security code today, but my radio would not work with the Lockpick in there. First it would show the screen, but no audio. Then other times I got no screen at all. Even unhooking the battery for a few minutes did nothing. Took the Lockpick back out, and it started working perfectly again. Trying to figure out if it's a bad unit, or 2013 incompatibility. When I did have a display, the Lockpick features including backup cam seemed to be working, just no audio, which is why I'm questioning it potentially being 2013 incompatibility.
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Update:Even though I bought the lockpick CHR550 from Bestradardectectorsdotnet (thinking I would not have to deal with poor customer service from Coastaltech, wrong!) I was required to first troubleshoot my issue of a dark screen when in auto reverse mode with the infamous Carols. First he was rude saying that the camera wasn't grounded properly. My husband called him and he wouldn't even talk to him until he had taken out the head unit with access to the lockpick. My husband had to come home early from work to do this! Then, he tells us the only solution is to do the infamous "rewiring workaround" that will cause me to lose the video in motion feature of the lockpick. I told him that I'm not interested in losing any function that I paid for and that I would like to return it. He has to email the company approval for a return. Such BS! Never will I recommend this company or their POS product. I will buy the NAv-tv at this point. I will let you all know how it goes. Good luck!
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Has anyone actually actually installed either of these in a 2013 yet? I got my security code today, but my radio would not work with the Lockpick in there. First it would show the screen, but no audio. Then other times I got no screen at all. Even unhooking the battery for a few minutes did nothing. Took the Lockpick back out, and it started working perfectly again. Trying to figure out if it's a bad unit, or 2013 incompatibility. When I did have a display, the Lockpick features including backup cam seemed to be working, just no audio, which is why I'm questioning it potentially being 2013 incompatibility.

I installed the Chr550 in my 2013 last night, plugged everything in and it worked right from the start. I mounted my rear camera next to the hitch and have no problems with it showing to dark.
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I installed the Chr550 in my 2013 last night, plugged everything in and it worked right from the start. I mounted my rear camera next to the hitch and have no problems with it showing to dark.
Hmmm...now I'm wondering if something is wrong with mine...
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Hmmm...now I'm wondering if something is wrong with mine...
Mine is hooked up to the 730n radio. Are all your connections seated all the way? They only think that through me was the white plug that plugs next to the gray.
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Mine is hooked up to the 730n radio. Are all your connections seated all the way? They only think that through me was the white plug that plugs next to the gray.
Yeah, I double checked all the connections, but it had weird erratic behavior including no audio out of it.
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Yeah, I double checked all the connections, but it had weird erratic behavior including no audio out of it.
May be something in the box, have you tried updating it?
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I looked on their site and there are no firmware updates for the V5. I sent an email asking if it was 2013 compatible, and got a it's not on our list, but hopefully in a couple months response. When I wrote back asking why the instructions say 2007-2013 on them, I got a we should have something soon response. The conflicting responses are quite confusing, but better than the zero response I got from NavTv when I asked them about the AllGig.
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Update...turns out it was operator error. I looked at the Lockpick harness again and found one of the pins hit bent. I straightened it out and now it works fine.
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I actually emailed Coastaltech about my 2013 and they said that 2013s were not compatible.

I have a version 3 lockpick and am trying to figure out if this will fit on my 2013 Sahara. I had a 2010 Sahara which it worked fine on my 730N. I have a 2013 730N now and I don't want to take the dash apart to find out that this doesn't work.

Is the version 3 worth upgrading? I think it has a USB port on it. I bought it two years ago. TIA.
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same here. coastal said the chr550 does not work with 2013 wrangler. i have the 430 radio. is allgig a better solution?

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