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Old 08-04-2014, 10:03 PM   #1
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LoJack?

I have already done some searches and found some limited discussion on LoJack but I would love to hear from some real users of LoJack how they feel about the theft prevention system. I have used the LoJack for laptops for years but never used it on a car before.

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I have it on my 2005 RX-8. I guess it works ok. I had a dead remote and when I moved the car it called and paged as it was supposed to. Never had the car stolen so can't help you there.

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It's expensive. I received a quote of $995 installed.
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I used it to find stolen vehicles. Best anti theft system out there and the most expensive Viper alarm system doesn't even come close.

I had it in several vehicles that were high risk for being stolen. Since Wranglers aren't often stolen in my area, I didn't bother.
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I have already done some searches and found some limited discussion on LoJack but I would love to hear from some real users of LoJack how they feel about the theft prevention system. I have used the LoJack for laptops for years but never used it on a car before.

TIA.
I've used LoJack on the law enforcement side of the system. We had a LoJack receiver in some of the patrol cars. The system we had used 4 antennas in a square pattern. The system was supposed to be able to determine the direction from the time difference between when each one picked up the signal. The strength of the signal indicated the distance. When a car is reported stolen in the National Crime Information Center (NCIC), the VIN is checked in the LoJack database. If there's a match, the LoJack system sends a signal to the unit in the vehicle to start to emit its signal. The unit in the vehicle emits a signal that the receiver picks up. The receiver displays a code that is then given to NCIC and the description of the vehicle is given out.



This is what the receiver looks like. The direction is on the right and the strength of signal is on the bottom. The code is displayed with numbers being underlined and letters not underlined. The code is usually 6 digits. The system sounds like a great idea and the company boasts a 90% recovery rate. If that's the case, there's some officers out there who must be finding a heck of a lot of stolen cars with this thing. We'd rarely get a consistent signal to be able to locate the stolen cars. The direction would usually jump around so we could never seem to get to a location with a really strong signal. To be honest, I can only remember a car or two in the past few years that had been found with LoJack. From what I've seen, if our recovery rate using this system was higher than 10%, I'd be shocked.

My opinion on this system is limited by my limited experience with the system. Maybe it works well in other areas, I don't know. Based on my experience using this system from the law enforcement site, I never considered getting this product on my personal vehicle. But your mileage may vary.
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Commonly used in south florida. Installers always put the system behind the stereo since there is easy accessible power and water protection. Theives here know, they rip the stereo out and disconnect the lojack. Useless system.
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Commonly used in south florida. Installers always put the system behind the stereo since there is easy accessible power and water protection. Theives here know, they rip the stereo out and disconnect the lojack. Useless system.
Ha...that sounds like lazy installers. One of the selling points of the system is the installers will come in and install the system in a garage away from even the owner. Supposedly they have 5-7 locations where they could install the thing so it's not easy to find and so even the owner can't slip up and mention the location. If a garage isn't available, they might even set up a partition around the car.

Again, they claim a 90% recovery rate. I cannot find the numbers behind their statistic. Is it 90% of the cars the cops get a hit on are recovered? Or is it 90% of the cars stolen with a LoJack system are recovered? LoJack does not cover the entire country. They have agreements in place with police agencies in specific cities. Granted, it does appear to be in a lot of cities and in larger cities. But the car can only be recovered if a police car wired with a LoJack system is close enough to pick up the signal. So driving a stolen car out of the city into a remote area will probably defeat the LoJack system. And in states like Utah, only 4 counties are covered; Davis, Salt Lake, Utah, and Weber. That leaves a majority of the state where the LoJack system won't help.

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Thanks folks, this is great information. I travel quite a bit and I will be taking my JKRUX on some of the events including some time coming up in San Diego. A Jeep in So Cal makes me nervous as they can get it across the line quickly.
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Then LoJack may not be for you. I don't think they have any agreements with Mexican authorities. The LoJack system is passive. It doesn't seek out the police. It sits there and waits for police to get close. There's a company called SPOT that might be better suited for what you're looking for. It looks to be about $100 for the device and $100 per year for the service. That would be cheaper than LoJack for about 5 years. Plus you can stalk your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/whoever uses your jeep since it can be set to update every 5 minutes.

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Well, that might be just the ticket.

Thanks, I will investigate SPOT.
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So here is a question about SPOT. If my Jeep gets stolen and I track it, will the police listen to me and use the tracking information or just say "sorry we don't do that"? I have had many folks tell me that local LEO will not use the iCloud tracking to recover devices so the SPOT product makes me nervous.
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So here is a question about SPOT. If my Jeep gets stolen and I track it, will the police listen to me and use the tracking information or just say "sorry we don't do that"? I have had many folks tell me that local LEO will not use the iCloud tracking to recover devices so the SPOT product makes me nervous.
Well, iCloud was never intended with law enforcement in mind. It was intended for you to use it to see where you may have left your device. The location isn't exact enough for us to use as probable cause. If the location shows up at a particular address, the error usually covers part of the yard, maybe a car in the driveway, and sometimes the house next door. If the location is an apartment building, the problem is compounded by the number of apartments in the building. And the phone is small so it could easily be hidden just about anywhere.

A car, on the other hand, can't easily be hidden inside of a house. If your jeep is stolen and the gps is telling you it's in the same jurisdiction as where it was stolen, I would bet the agency would rather do a stolen/recovery report than go through the process of entering the jeep as stolen in NCIC. If it's in a different, but close, jurisdiction, the agencies will sometimes work together to make it easier to recover the jeep. And you can easily report it stolen, drive close to where the gps is reporting the jeep, and call police to tell them you see your stolen jeep. The police will come out. I hear those calls come out quite a bit. If it was found in a different jurisdiction than it was stolen from, the finding agency might not be as quick to spend the time to process the jeep for fingerprints. If there's no damage, that may not be a bad thing. Fingerprint power gets everywhere and sticks to everything. The police see a vehicle as an investment. Losing a phone is an inconvenience. But if your jeep gets brought south of the border, you may not have much luck with recovery.
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Thanks. I am going to try SPOT first and will let you know. If I don't like it on my Jeep I can use it on other stuff. It looks like a real nice option. I ordered it on Amazon and it should be here Friday. The install looks like a cake walk.

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SPOT installed. Easy to configure and install. $ 25 rebate on the device right now. So far it looks good. I went down to the hardware store and back. I was thinking it didn't track me as I didn't get a bunch of alerts but it was tracking me very well. On a Jeep it is easy to tuck it into the padding on top of the roll bar.

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LOJACK was hot when it first came out. I had it in my first new car in 1994 (had to, to get it insured in Mass!)

Then thieves started stealing cars, driving them for 10 mins then parking them overnight. If they weren't recovered within 24 hours they'd return and finish the deed.
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SPOT installed. Easy to configure and install. $ 25 rebate on the device right now. So far it looks good. I went down to the hardware store and back. I was thinking it didn't track me as I didn't get a bunch of alerts but it was tracking me very well. On a Jeep it is easy to tuck it into the padding on top of the roll bar.

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I saw the device was either battery or plug in. Did you try to run wires to it or did you stick with the battery method? One thing I did read about it was that it sends out a low battery warning. I guess that and a good set of rechargeables with a 15 minute fast charger might be the easiest route.
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I am going to start a new thread for SPOT just to be fair to this product. But here is what I did. I bought the SPOT device $ 99, $ 25 mail in rebate. I paid for the annual $ 99 tracking plan. I installed it above my roll bar and also bought the water proof 12v cable so it is wired directly to my Jeep Diehard battery. I figured out by playing with the device that if the battery direct line is cut it will default back to the internal batteries. Really nice design. One hint. Don't activate this device in the middle of the night as you will then trigger the "all is well" text or email to come to you in the middle of the night.

Once I get the SPOT thread posted I will link it here.
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So here is a question about SPOT. If my Jeep gets stolen and I track it, will the police listen to me and use the tracking information or just say "sorry we don't do that"? I have had many folks tell me that local LEO will not use the iCloud tracking to recover devices so the SPOT product makes me nervous.
When my dad's Mercedes got stolen here in Houston TX. We were able to track it exactly to where it was parked. Gave local police info but it wasn't like they rushed there. LOL. Couple of kids was caught a few days later while they were driving it. Random check of plate showed it as stolen. Too many problems in town for them to just look for one stolen vehicle.
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I am going to start a new thread for SPOT just to be fair to this product. But here is what I did. I bought the SPOT device $ 99, $ 25 mail in rebate. I paid for the annual $ 99 tracking plan. I installed it above my roll bar and also bought the water proof 12v cable so it is wired directly to my Jeep Diehard battery. I figured out by playing with the device that if the battery direct line is cut it will default back to the internal batteries. Really nice design. One hint. Don't activate this device in the middle of the night as you will then trigger the "all is well" text or email to come to you in the middle of the night.

Once I get the SPOT thread posted I will link it here.
Cool. I'm interested in SPOT too.
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Here is the link to the new thread just for SPOT

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Here is the link to the new thread just for SPOT

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Thanks. Going there now.
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Then thieves started stealing cars, driving them for 10 mins then parking them overnight. If they weren't recovered within 24 hours they'd return and finish the deed.
That would work well with SPOT. Track your car to where it's parked, and camp out across the street with several members of your local Jeep club. Remember to bring some tools to help the nice thieves strip the vehicle. Pipe wrenches, tire irons, hammers, etc...
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That would work well with SPOT. Track your car to where it's parked, and camp out across the street with several members of your local Jeep club. Remember to bring some tools to help the nice thieves strip the vehicle. Pipe wrenches, tire irons, hammers, etc...
LOL. I'm partial to power tools myself for kind of "job".
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When my dad's Mercedes got stolen here in Houston TX. We were able to track it exactly to where it was parked. Gave local police info but it wasn't like they rushed there.
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Too many problems in town for them to just look for one stolen vehicle.
Unfortunately that is a real issue. As important as someone feels there issue is, there's a chance it won't have as high a priority as another call. In your example, the car was parked. There was not an immediate need to rush over there and recover it. If there had been people in the car or if the car had been moving, I would guess it would have had a higher priority.
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How do you "activate" the SPOT?

Is there an on/off switch you have to remember to hit every time you park? Is it key switched so it activates when vehicle shut off?

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How do you "activate" the SPOT?

Is there an on/off switch you have to remember to hit every time you park? Is it key switched so it activates when vehicle shut off?

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Great question. I'd like to know too.
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How do you "activate" the SPOT?

Is there an on/off switch you have to remember to hit every time you park? Is it key switched so it activates when vehicle shut off?

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I believe it's on all the time. If someone is worried about the batteries, a cord is available for connecting it to the battery. I can't imagine it would draw much power. And in battery mode, it will send you a low battery notice to let you know when to change them.
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I believe it's on all the time. If someone is worried about the batteries, a cord is available for connecting it to the battery. I can't imagine it would draw much power. And in battery mode, it will send you a low battery notice to let you know when to change them.
Thanks! I think I'd like just using the batteries. It would be easier to change it's location, and vehicle? I'm guessing.

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