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Old 04-07-2012, 06:46 PM   #1
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Looking for Pictures of JKU Sport with Rubicon Springs and Shocks

I am looking for before/after pictures of a JKU Sport that now has the springs and shocks installed from a Rubicon to see what the lift looks like. Even better if the Jeep has 33's so I really know what I could expect.

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Old 04-07-2012, 06:52 PM   #2
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It's gonna vary, depending on the Jeep's original spring strength. For example, if your Jeep has 14/54's, the 19/60 springs (they're not Rubi springs, just stiffer Mopar springs) could give you almost 2" of lift.

If you've got 17/58's, you might get 3/4" outta the deal.

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Old 04-07-2012, 06:54 PM   #3
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Rubicon springs are no different than springs from any other Wrangler. Spring rates vary and there is no rule as to which Wrangler gets which springs. JKU's with tow package tend to get the stiffest, whether it is a Sport or a Rubicon. Check the last 2 numbers on your front and rear spring tags and we can give you an idea if what you have and what you could expect from a change.
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It's gonna vary, depending on the Jeep's original spring strength. For example, if your Jeep has 14/54's, the 19/60 springs (they're not Rubi springs, just stiffer Mopar springs) could give you almost 2" of lift.

If you've got 17/58's, you might get 3/4" outta the deal.
The lift is much less if anything for a JKU.
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I have 17/58. So what I am gathering from the posts so far is that I wouldn't gain much lift at all by purchasing a set of rubicon take offs from CL. How about the shocks? Will they be an upgrade? Or not worth the hassle?
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I'll say this again. There is no such thing as Rubicon springs. The shocks are gas charged and will gve a stiffer (better IMO) ride that Sport hydro shocks. Find out what the numbers are on the springs you are looking to buy. Chances are they are the same or lower. 19 and 60 are the highest and they are veyr rare to find on a factory built JK.
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Since I know two super knowledgeable guys are looking at this thread, I have a question on the subject.

Last week I ordered the FT 2" leveling kit, 19/60 springs and Bilstein 5100's all around.

I'm shooting for better ride quality out of the deal, but one concern I have is stance. Should the wheels be pushed out with spacers? Is that the point of spacers? Will it look goofy to leave stock set up with potentially 3 inches of lift? Am I even asking the right question?
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Daggo66, so you are saying I might not have Rubicon springs but there is still a chance, I do :-). Sorry couldn't help it!
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Daggo66, so you are saying I might not have Rubicon springs but there is still a chance, I do :-). Sorry couldn't help it!
UGH! Rubicon springs are no different than Sport or Sahara springs.
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Since I know two super knowledgeable guys are looking at this thread, I have a question on the subject.

Last week I ordered the FT 2" leveling kit, 19/60 springs and Bilstein 5100's all around.

I'm shooting for better ride quality out of the deal, but one concern I have is stance. Should the wheels be pushed out with spacers? Is that the point of spacers? Will it look goofy to leave stock set up with potentially 3 inches of lift? Am I even asking the right question?
IMO it will look goofy with stock tires. If you add a leveling kit to 19/60 springs, you front will sit higher than the rear unless you have a heavy bumper and a winch. Your Jeep will look like it's taking a dump. There is no reason to use wheel spacers woith stock wheels and tires. Pushing the tires out will add stress to your wheel bearings and ball joints.
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IMO it will look goofy with stock tires. If you add a leveling kit to 19/60 springs, you front will sit higher than the rear unless you have a heavy bumper and a winch. Your Jeep will look like it's taking a dump. There is no reason to use wheel spacers woith stock wheels and tires. Pushing the tires out will add stress to your wheel bearings and ball joints.
I'm not sure I follow (at least as far as the math goes). The three things I want to accomplish are better ride, switching to 33" and taking out the rake.

Will the 19/60 springs take out the rake? I have no problem shelving the leveling kit until such time as I add new tires/bumpers (likely next year).

Gotcha on the spacers. I didn't really want to use them anyway.
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IMO it will look goofy with stock tires. If you add a leveling kit to 19/60 springs, you front will sit higher than the rear unless you have a heavy bumper and a winch. Your Jeep will look like it's taking a dump. There is no reason to use wheel spacers woith stock wheels and tires. Pushing the tires out will add stress to your wheel bearings and ball joints.
I agree...it's gonna make your stock tires look tiny. And nobody wants to see a Jeep taking a dump (just think how your dog feels if you stare at him while he's doing his business...).

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Since I know two super knowledgeable guys are looking at this thread, I have a question on the subject.

Last week I ordered the FT 2" leveling kit, 19/60 springs and Bilstein 5100's all around.

I'm shooting for better ride quality out of the deal, but one concern I have is stance. Should the wheels be pushed out with spacers? Is that the point of spacers? Will it look goofy to leave stock set up with potentially 3 inches of lift? Am I even asking the right question?
If, by "better ride quality" you mean more stable, the Bilstein's will do that for you. I like the firmer ride, myself. Some don't. Since the Bilstein's are over 25" long, though, you're gonna have to buy a TF exhaust spacer (~ $50, easy install) to make sure your stock driveshaft doesn't hit the exhaust pipe when you wheel.

If I were you, I'd put the FT lift and Bilsteins on, and keep the stiffer springs for use if you eventually get a heavy bumper and/or winch.

2" of lift will look fine with the stock tires, IMO...although, I suspect it's gonna work on you a little bit, get you thinking about new tires.

Oh, and as for the spacers...dag's right on. Personally, I think spacers should only be used to salvage a botched tire/wheel/lift combo.

You can address your Jeep's stance through aftermarket wheels w/proper backspacing (4.5" or less), if you decide to go the larger tire route later on.
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Unless you have a heavy front bumper, you will be level with 19/60 springs. A 2" leveling kit will raise you 2" in the front and 1" in the back. If you are already level, then it will make your butt low.

Improving the ride will be subject to your personal taste. Your ride will be stiffer. I like that better, but not everyone does. IMO if you go with the 19/60's and a 3/4 to 1" BB you will fit 33's with no problem. If you go with 33's that are wider than stock, you will need wheels with less backspacing or spacers.
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I'm not sure I follow (at least as far as the math goes). The three things I want to accomplish are better ride, switching to 33" and taking out the rake.

Will the 19/60 springs take out the rake? I have no problem shelving the leveling kit until such time as I add new tires/bumpers (likely next year).

Gotcha on the spacers. I didn't really want to use them anyway.
Like dag said, that'll work, too.

I just don't think you should combine all three until you get some weight on the front to compensate for the increased lift.

Springs and shocks =

Leveling kit and shocks =

Springs, leveling kit and shocks = (until such time as you add front bumper, then )
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Tremendous feedback guys. Thank you!

I definitely don't mind a firmer ride if it answers the questions of dive, pitch and roll adequately.

Of the three things I listed as ordered last week, only the FT kit hasn't shipped yet, (they said it was about a two week wait.)

Now I'm inclined to cancel it, throw on the spring/shock combo and see how it rides.

Would I still need the TF exhaust spacer in this scenario?
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I agree with the Wolf.
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Like dag said, that'll work, too.

I just don't think you should combine all three until you get some weight on the front to compensate for the increased lift.

Springs and shocks =

Leveling kit and shocks =

Springs, leveling kit and shocks = (until such time as you add front bumper, then )
Damn, I need to take a typing class to keep up with you guys.
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I'm actually slow because I'm watching Parking Wars.
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I'm actually slow because I'm watching Parking Wars.


What the hell is Parking Wars? Fisticuffs for handicapped spaces?
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Tremendous feedback guys. Thank you!

I definitely don't mind a firmer ride if it answers the questions of dive, pitch and roll adequately.

Of the three things I listed as ordered last week, only the FT kit hasn't shipped yet, (they said it was about a two week wait.)

Now I'm inclined to cancel it, throw on the spring/shock combo and see how it rides.

Would I still need the TF exhaust spacer in this scenario?
Yes...because of the length of the downward travel of the Bilsteins.
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One more thing about the ride.

I floored my Jeep for the first time today from about 30 to 70 mph and surprised at how quickly I arrived there, got on the brakes hard.

The sensation I had was akin to this. I'll take a firmer ride any day of the week.
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The Bilsteins will give you that. Parking Wars is a show on A&E. People get parking tickets and boots in Philly and they go nuts.
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The Bilsteins will give you that. Parking Wars is a show on A&E. People get parking tickets and boots in Philly and they go nuts.
Gotcha. I got the boot in Denver once...man, that sucked. If I'd had an acetylene torch I probably would've gotten arrested.
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One more thing about the ride.

I floored my Jeep for the first time today from about 30 to 70 mph and surprised at how quickly I arrived there, got on the brakes hard.

The sensation I had was akin to this. I'll take a firmer ride any day of the week.
Yeah, that's what I didn't like about the stock ride. To me it was too mushy, and had too much body lean. The Bilsteins will make your Jeep feel more like a pickup truck.
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Yeah, that's what I didn't like about the stock ride. To me it was too mushy, and had too much body lean. The Bilsteins will make your Jeep feel more like a pickup truck.
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Yeah, that's what I didn't like about the stock ride. To me it was too mushy, and had too much body lean. The Bilsteins will make your Jeep feel more like a pickup truck.
Excellent, good to know.

I just sent an e-mail to FT to cancel my order.

The reason I had to get on the brakes this afternoon was that I was suddenly at double the speed limit on a city street.

These new engines are deceptively fast.
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Excellent, good to know.

I just sent an e-mail to FT to cancel my order.

The reason I had to get on the brakes this afternoon was that I was suddenly at double the speed limit on a city street.

These new engines are deceptively fast.


You make it sound like it's all the Jeep's fault.
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You make it sound like it's all the Jeep's fault.
When I was 18, I convinced a dealer to let me test ride a 900 Ninja. All I'd ridden to that point was a Yamaha 250 enduro.

I was as unprepared today for what to expect as I was when I twisted the throttle on that bike and almost wheelied it into a ditch.

Hell yeah it was the Jeep's fault.
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When I was 18, I convinced a dealer to let me test ride a 900 Ninja. All I'd ridden to that point was a Yamaha 250 enduro.

I was as unprepared today for what to expect as I was when I twisted the throttle on that bike and almost wheelied it into a ditch.

Hell yeah it was the Jeep's fault.

Haha...I bought a KX 80 dirt bike when I was 15. Worked for over a year to pay for the thing. The day I got it my dad said, "Lemme take it for a spin around the block."

I tried to explain to him that it was a little higher-revving than the Indian he grew up with. Wish I had a picture of him, staggering through the ditch behind it, trying to hold on, while it was standing straight up on it's rear wheel, screaming...

He did pay for the new rear fender, though.

Fond family memories.
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Since I know two super knowledgeable guys are looking at this thread, I have a question on the subject.

Last week I ordered the FT 2" leveling kit, 19/60 springs and Bilstein 5100's all around.

I'm shooting for better ride quality out of the deal, but one concern I have is stance. Should the wheels be pushed out with spacers? Is that the point of spacers? Will it look goofy to leave stock set up with potentially 3 inches of lift? Am I even asking the right question?

Quick question. I was under the impression that the Bilstein 5100's are for 2 inches of lift. If I was to upgrade to 19/60 springs without adding additional spacers it is possible to use the Bilstein 5100's or do you need to use the Bilstein HD's?

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