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Old 03-27-2012, 03:14 PM   #1
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I got some plans for this weekend:


To put on these (and the bolts):
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Anyone want to help?

Related, for installing the LCAs do I need to jack it up or anything special other than:
0. Set length (how do I figure this out)?
1. Remove one
2. Install
3. Repeat

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Old 03-27-2012, 03:31 PM   #2
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I got some plans for this weekend:
[img]http://f.cl.ly/items/0D402Y1Q4019321v232j/torquewrench.png[/url]

To put on these (and the bolts):
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Anyone want to help?

Related, for installing the LCAs do I need to jack it up or anything special other than:
0. Set length (how do I figure this out)?
1. Remove one
2. Install
3. Repeat
I thought you did this recently. Hmm. Maybe it was something else...

You don't want to jack up the Jeep. Just loosen all 8 ca's, and both tb's. Then change out the bolts, install new items, shake Jeep to settle the bushings, and tighten to specs. 125 ft-lbs for everything except front upper ca's, which should be 75 ft-lbs.

Day after, your ribs will be sore.

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Forgot you had a '12, which means that one of your front tb bolts (the new ones, 9/16") won't fit. Probably a good idea to hit your local hardware store up for one 3" long 14mm Class 10.9 bolt w/a shoulder on it, 2 lock washers (not crucial, but I'm anal that way), 2 hardened flat washers and a lock nut.

Or you could just stick with the stock bolt. Up to you. See the last few pages of this thread for more detailed info: The Importance of changing out stock bolts!!
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I talked about doing it but the bolt kit took a while to get here (and I haven't had a chance to do anything )

I'll have to look around for that (one) bolt and see if Home Depot or ACE has it.
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I talked about doing it but the bolt kit took a while to get here (and I haven't had a chance to do anything )

I'll have to look around for that (one) bolt and see if Home Depot or ACE has it.
Best bet would be to call em, to avoid driving all over town. When I bought mine, Lowe's, Home Depot and Harbor Freight all struck out. Found mine at a True Value downtown.

BTW, if you haven't seen it, there's a really good writeup on the bolt change in the thread above...last few pages.
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Thanks! I saw this excellent guide:
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/the...ml#post2155872 a while ago

Although, I've been looking for how to set the LCAs (at least a starting point on length); should I just measure my current LCAs and go from there?
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Thanks! I saw this excellent guide:
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/the...ml#post2155872 a while ago

Although, I've been looking for how to set the LCAs (at least a starting point on length); should I just measure my current LCAs and go from there?
Measuring the stock ones will work. Not sure of your lift size, but as a generality, I believe 23" is about what you'd want for a 2.5" lift. Do a little digging, though...I'm not 100% certain that's correct.
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Okay...check this link out. OP was using lca's w/cam bolts, which is a different animal than what you've got, but the principles are the same: Rock Krawler Front LCA Install Questions
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Yep 23 bolt center to bolt center is where mine are at and it got me to 5.4 caster with my 2.5" lift.
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Measuring the stock ones will work. Not sure of your lift size, but as a generality, I believe 23" is about what you'd want for a 2.5" lift. Do a little digging, though...I'm not 100% certain that's correct.
I'm theoretically at 4":
4" Stage II Lift Kit with ES9000 Shocks by Pro Comp

I can't actually remember how to measure how much actual lift I got. I suppose I should look that up :-D

I remember trying to figure out once and just got perplexed by the numbers.
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Okay...check this link out. OP was using lca's w/cam bolts, which is a different animal than what you've got, but the principles are the same: Rock Krawler Front LCA Install Questions
Ah thanks!

I was hoping I didn't have to use a jack, but I guess I'm pulling one out
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Ah thanks!

I was hoping I didn't have to use a jack, but I guess I'm pulling one out
I would pull it out as a precaution, you just never know what could happen. As far as the comment about being sore, that is verrrry true, I replaced the ball joints, front track bar and frony LCA's and was sore for a few days after. Good Luck, I'd help if distance wasn't an issue.
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Ah thanks!

I was hoping I didn't have to use a jack, but I guess I'm pulling one out
You may not need it. Having your Jeep on level ground will go a long way...but if you're gonna preset your ca length, you're probably gonna need to use a jack to get things to line up.

Either way, you should do an alignment afterwards to make sure toe and caster are right.
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I would pull it out as a precaution, you just never know what could happen. As far as the comment about being sore, that is verrrry true, I replaced the ball joints, front track bar and frony LCA's and was sore for a few days after. Good Luck, I'd help if distance wasn't an issue.
Hopefully, all that working out from being a tough guy and rocking climbing will help

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You may not need it. Having your Jeep on level ground will go a long way...but if you're gonna preset your ca length, you're probably gonna need to use a jack to get things to line up.

Either way, you should do an alignment afterwards to make sure toe and caster are right.
Noted from the experts.

I'm planning on measuring the castor before and after; though I'll probably take it down to the dealership since they owe me an oil change anyhow and have them do an alignment. Win/Win?
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I took mine to the Jeep dealer for an alignment, had a bad experience thru the dealer I bought it from, they should be able to do the alignment no problem, might as well get the oil changed at the same time.
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My lca's called for 23.5" center to center. Gave me 7 deg caster and had alignment shop bring it to 6. Love the way it drives now. Have TF 2.5" coil kit.
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Best way i found out since the end swivels around. Put 2 bolts through the holes-center- and then measure across.
The head is 1/2" so minus 1/2" from the number you come up with.

23" is a good starting point but every jeep responds different. Start there and drive.

Mine is set to 23 1/8 and caster is at 5
I'm looking to increase a bit with my bigger meats. Highway as been adventurous lol

No science to install. One side then the other. Have a buddy push or pull on the tire to line up the holes.

We snugged the bolts and I when for a drive around the block. Then torqued to spec. Seem to work out well.

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Dear Internets,
If I end up like the above, please leave my left front LCA to Ken.

Sincerely,
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If I end up like the above, please leave my left front LCA to Ken.

Sincerely,
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Some hot stockings

I want the right though !!!
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Chris, what's the advantage to changing out your stock LCA's? Was there allignment issues after your lift?
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i want the right though !!!
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Chris, what's the advantage to changing out your stock LCA's? Was there allignment issues after your lift?

Mostly I have a pretty crappy lift () on it right now that was pre-installed on the Jeep when I bought it. So I'm trying to gain a little castor adjustability and gradually replacing the crappy lift with some better parts.

The arms I currently have are set length, and I *hate* the way it drives sometimes. And honestly, the current ones are pretty noisy.

So to answer your question: I'm trying to gain flexibility and reliability from a manufacturer I trust more
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Chris, what's the advantage to changing out your stock LCA's? Was there allignment issues after your lift?
I can answer this as you addressed my name. it fixes your caster if set right.
If you have issues wandering or taking much effort to stay in the middle of your own lane... the front lca's should be in your future.
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Mostly I have a pretty crappy lift () on it right now that was pre-installed on the Jeep when I bought it. So I'm trying to gain a little castor adjustability and gradually replacing the crappy lift with some better parts.

The arms I currently have are set length, and I *hate* the way it drives sometimes. And honestly, the current ones are pretty noisy.

So to answer your question: I'm trying to gain flexibility and reliability from a manufacturer I trust more
Thanks for the lo down. I hope that works for you.
Man, I feel fortunate that my jeep had no glitches issues at all after lifting it. Well, Good luck!
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Chris is our poster boy for dealer installed crappy lifts
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I can answer this as you addressed my name. it fixes your caster if set right.
If you have issues wandering or taking much effort to stay in the middle of your own lane... the front lca's should be in your future.
Thanks. No problem Goose. I'll absorb any info I can get.
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Thanks for the lo down. I hope that works for you.
Man, I feel fortunate that my jeep had no glitches issues at all after lifting it. Well, Good luck!
Ha ha, well I bought the lift by choice because I made the dealership eat a lot of the cost; and if you take off all the 'extras', I actually got the base of the whole car for 10%+ off invoice, then the extras made up the difference. Heck, I got them to eat half the tax too.

It was a deal I couldn't resist, especially since they brought the Sales Manager out to talk to me directly within 3 minutes of walking in
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Chris is our poster boy for dealer installed crappy lifts

DAMN THEM (and 4wheelparts for selling Pro Comp lifts!).



I'll fix it all, I SWEAR!

Now where did I put my keys...

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