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Old 11-11-2013, 04:16 PM   #1
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Mall Crawlers, is it really THAT bad?

I know the difference between Wranglers built for offroad, ones built for looks, and stock ones. I'm a newer owner, and am on my way to fall somewhere in the middle. I like the bigger, taller than stock look - but no - I have no real intention of offroading based primarily on location. My terrain options consist of streets or lawns.

This makes me a "mall crawler". ? Is this "un-cool". ? Not that it matters. How many guys buy 911's and M3's and don't ever get them to a track day? Sad, yes - but I don't think it's "un-cool".

Just wonderin'

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Old 11-11-2013, 04:22 PM   #2
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I don't think its uncool at all. I think the majority of wrangler owners never take them offroad. I do some light offroading in mine certainly nothing that test the limits of the jeeps capabilities but I also use mine as a daily driver. I see many rubicons in my area and I am pretty sure they never see anything but tarmac but hey if you have the coin buy what you want and use it how you want to.

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It's your jeep. Do what you want with it.

I'm not gonna chastise anyone for not going offroad.
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You'll just make offroaders very happy. They only pretend to hate you. They know down the line they will be able to find a rig that wasn't beaten to hell. Make sure you get a Rubicon.
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You'll just make offroaders very happy. They only pretend to hate you. They know down the line they will be able to find a rig that wasn't beaten to hell. Make sure you get a Rubicon.
LOL. hadn't thought of it that way.
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I'll be looking for a clean 2013 or 14 mall crawler in a few years when my 09 starts rusting out. 😃
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Nothing wrong with Mall Crawling, I do light off roading because mine is my daily driver. Everyone teases me about being a mall crawler...but it what is ..I have no trail stripes on my jeep , and I am going to keep it that way
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I'm a self admitted mall crawler. And in all honesty, if you get outside of web forums, most JK's are mall crawled....or at least not wheeled hardcore (fire roads and light dirt trails are not hard core IMO).

I stay pretty much stock because it makes no sense for me to pay thousands of dollars for items that actually decrease my fuel economy, ride quietness, handling, etc...simply for looks.

While lifted Jeeps on aggressive tires look cool..... I don't off-road enough to make use of any that stuff....so no 35's or lifts for me. If I do ever change tires, it will probably be to 32.6" Goodyear Silent Armors.

My stock Sahara handles the occasional dirt trails I see just fine...and there isn't a lot of wheeling in the burbs of Chicago to begin with.


One more thing......while I think there is a distinct difference between a poser and a mall crawler.....in the end, I don't really care what someone does with their vehicle because it is their money.
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I like jeeps. (That was a period). I do think the mallcrawler thing is weird though. While I won't get to hardcore stuff all that often, I intend to wheel the thing every chance I get. Have some friends with a nicely built Rubi on 37's. He treats it like a sports car and has stated that it will absolutely not go offroad, too nice, too much money it etc. Seems weird to me, but I could care less and still like talking jeeps with him, seeing what he has done etc.

A dub/skinny tire style city bound jeep is absolutely lame though!
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Please define "off road", around here the trails are maintained better than the streets. I know of noone that still goes to the mall. The one around here is dead.
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Many Many Years ago..before Jeeps even had rectangular headlights....some biker buddies and I were discussing how fast a bike needed to be, better way to say it (back than) how many cc should it be....an older guy called everyone of us "kids" out. He explained that the bikes were only as good as the riders and since most of (okay none of us) rode professionally, the bikes we wanted/ had or thought were so BAssed, we couldn't ride any of them to its full potential. Every time I see a Corvette or one of the Souped 'Stangs, or the new Camaro SS, I think about him...and I think about my "lightly modded" TJ. It goes off road and does very well, but honestly it is more capable than I am. I learn a little every time I go, and yeah some day I would really like to wheel in UT or CO AZ NM and CA....but that is a long way off for me. Until than I will keep learning...in the TJ. Also heard one other thing 70% of the time when some one "breaks" on the trail, it is from abusing their Rig.....

We got the '12 JK for my wife, since the TJ is not as fuel friendly, and since my daughter had a baby the JK didn't work for my wife loading and unloading the baby. (yeah daughter married Gma babysits)

So enter the JKU Polar my wife likes the color blue, and that is what we had to get to find a BLUE '14 JKU.

The JK is bone stock...we like the open air in the summer and 4wd in winter.

The JKU is bone stock and my wife likes the HT because the ease of loading in the back and GKs in the back seats. and 4wd and freedom panels. We use these 2 Jeeps ONLY on the STREET...call me a poser IDC.. its my Jeep I'll do what I want.

And yeah someday there are going to be 2 really clean JKs for sale...but you'll have to fight my kids for them..... they Jeep also.
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Old 11-11-2013, 04:51 PM   #13
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I am a mallcrawler for now until I get properly equipped (ie build my safety kit, straps, winch, beefier skid plates and that kind of stuff). But I have no plans to hardcore. A few forest roads, easy maybe moderate trails. I have zero offroad experience so will be mainly mallcrawling until I build up my resume and skills. Thats perfectly ok with me. I will never play with the big boy rock crawlers or probably even push my Wrangler to its limits. My big constraint is it is also my daily driver.

Now if at some point I payoff my note and get another dd, well then all bets are off lol.

I say so long as you love your Jeep, how you enjoy it is all good.
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Please define "off road", around here the trails are maintained better than the streets. I know of noone that still goes to the mall. The one around here is dead.
Yeah good point. I am calling a mall crawler a moddified jeep that is street only. No purpose or use for the mods besides aesthetics for the most part. Hence mall "Crawler". Stock jeeps I exclude from that.
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Many Many Years ago..before Jeeps even had rectangular headlights....some biker buddies and I were discussing how fast a bike needed to be, better way to say it (back than) how many cc should it be....an older guy called everyone of us "kids" out. He explained that the bikes were only as good as the riders and since most of (okay none of us) rode professionally, the bikes we wanted/ had or thought were so BAssed, we couldn't ride any of them to its full potential. Every time I see a Corvette or one of the Souped 'Stangs, or the new Camaro SS, I think about him...and I think about my "lightly modded" TJ. It goes off road and does very well, but honestly it is more capable than I am. I learn a little every time I go, and yeah some day I would really like to wheel in UT or CO AZ NM and CA....but that is a long way off for me. Until than I will keep learning...in the TJ. Also heard one other thing 70% of the time when some one "breaks" on the trail, it is from abusing their Rig.....

We got the '12 JK for my wife, since the TJ is not as fuel friendly, and since my daughter had a baby the JK didn't work for my wife loading and unloading the baby. (yeah daughter married Gma babysits)

So enter the JKU Polar my wife likes the color blue, and that is what we had to get to find a BLUE '14 JKU.

The JK is bone stock...we like the open air in the summer and 4wd in winter.

The JKU is bone stock and my wife likes the HT because the ease of loading in the back and GKs in the back seats. and 4wd and freedom panels. We use these 2 Jeeps ONLY on the STREET...call me a poser IDC.. its my Jeep I'll do what I want.

And yeah someday there are going to be 2 really clean JKs for sale...but you'll have to fight my kids for them..... they Jeep also.

For me, that isn't a poser, that is a mall crawler.

A poser would be if you had that JK or JKU (still be used the same way) on a gigantic lift with off-road 35's or 37's, flat fenders, a big azz stinger up front, enough lights to light up O'Hare at night, and a hi-lift jack sitting on the $800 rear bumper.

And even with that....your Jeep...your money.


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Yeah good point. I am calling a mall crawler a moddified jeep that is street only. No purpose or use for the mods besides aesthetics for the most part. Hence mall "Crawler". Stock jeeps I exclude from that.
That is a poser to me...


All posers are mall crawlers, but not all mall crawlers are posers.
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Old 11-11-2013, 05:07 PM   #16
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My jeep sees light light offroad and the biggest appeal to me was having a smaller suv type vehicle that I can take the top off of and will always be handy in situations where I need to be off road in emergency situations (florida is big on hurricanes and muddy, wet conditions)
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I am a new J/K owner and it doesnt matter to me if you mall crawl mud bog or rock crawl. You own a Jeep. Its "potential" that you have. When its pourin rain and you are headin to the mall you can make it and have fun because you are in a Jeep. When its snowing like crazy and you are able to get to the store you make it because you are in a Jeep.
I had mine filthy with mud from trail riding in the first 300 miles of owning it. At that point the bug bit me. I bought it originally for us to have a 3rd vehicle while our last daughter finishes up high school. It soon will have a 2.5 lift, and 35's and I am posessed by my new hobby. I go to the mall with it and it certainly will have more on road miles than off road but its my JEEP. I still off road whenever I can. Once again it has "potential". Just like the guy with the 600 hp Vette. It may never hit 190 but it has potential. You know it so anyone who owns any specialty type vehicle does it for a reason. YOu bought the Jeep for some reason and thats good enough for me. When you drive by all those Toyotas and Subarus and Hummers they know your Jeep has "potential". Have fun.
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Here's my family:

Dad - '07 stock, sees some very light trails
Brother - '10 4 door, bought used with 2.5 spacers and 35" mickeys. Never leaves the pavement
Me: see my signature, I hit every trail I can find but am careful as it's my DD

Dad and bro don't understand why I'd take my rig off road. While I don't understand why they don't. We've just come to agree that everyone is different with their rig and it's all good.
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A Jeep is a Jeep. Period. I bought my Rubicon a few months back and had actually planned on doing some hardcore crawling but after I realized how much I actually spent on it, why beat it up? I like to say, better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it. If you have the dollars that you earned to buy what you want then why should someone else's (who more than likely can't afford it) matter. It's great to roll around in a good looking JK that everyone admires anyway. You get more looks in a built up nice and shiny Jeep anyway. Jeep on!!
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i think the word mall crawler is used too lightly on this forum and is basically generalizing everyone who doesn't take theirs off roading..

Due to some of the locations a few of us members live at, there isn't too many forests,woods, off roading areas for us to go to. and the nearest area to go off roading is probably more then 2 plus hours away from me.

Now while my brand new 2014 is garaged kept, i will eventually try going on some dirt roads, beach in daytona and heading down to the keys. but realistically IMHO someone whos going to take a brand new $30 to $40k vehicle out in the woods to get trashed is insane....

i can just buy a CJ or YJ and do that.. once again my opinion.
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I know growing up in the 80's giant trucks were all over the road and 90% never saw off road. I don't remember ever hearing one person that cared.
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All posers are mall crawlers, but not all mall crawlers are posers.
Nailed it.

A poser wants to look like he knows. But in actuality he has no idea what he's talkin about. ie; has 4WD, mud tires, not just a lift kit but a long travel lift, full cage, 4 point harnesses, beefy bumpers, rock sliders, a winch, etc. But has no intention of ever using the Jeep off the pavement.

A mall crawler is just a rig, maybe setup with nice rims, AT tires, some diamond plate, etc.
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IMHO someone whos going to take a brand new $30 to $40k vehicle out in the woods to get trashed is insane....
I take mine out in the woods / trails all the time. Yes, it's almost brand new (2013) and was over $30k. Still looks new though. You can have plenty of fun off road and not beat your ride to death. It's my daily driver and gets cleaned after each outing. It's always your choice what trail to go down... or up. Keep it simple and you can still have lots of fun. Hopefully someday I'll have a 2nd that I can put a beat down on.

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A wrangler is really just another midsize SUV that happens to have a rugged look with high ground clearance. Driving it just on the streets isn't far off from what Jeep intended for it. I realize that statement will stir the hornet's nest but lets be real these wranglers aren't quite purpose built like previous wranglers.

Now if you buy a Corvette Stingray and never go to the track and just go get groceries... We're going to have a problem.
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I always had a issue with this idea of a mall crawler and posers. At one point, even the most knowledgeable and skilled jeepers, were so called " mall crawlers" because we start small, learn what does what, do research and ask questions.
I'd rather have a spacer lift, 33 or 35s a bumper and rockers to start vs. going big, not knowing what I was getting into and end up with a mess I can't fix. Its not as simple as a, b, c past 3 inches! And expensive. A stock jeep can handle itself very well on lift trails with no lift.
Good rule of thumb: keep jeeps as close to stock as possible! Really, nothing wrong with what ya do as its your wrangler and money; jeep community is very loyal to one another and love helping others learn, too. Especially on here!... Ehh herm KJeeper10 .
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we don't have any malls for 30 miles..
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I wish I could say that^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ there are 3 within 5 miles.....
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the more Jeeps sold the better off every Jeep owner will be...
Mail Crawlers or Rock Crawlers....
pavement huggers or Forest road explorers,,,,
sand dude goings or Mud dogs.....
The jeep life comes in many ways...

if your the mail crawler, make sure you let the Jeep eat up a few curbs along the way...

enjoy..
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I take mine out in the woods / trails all the time. Yes, it's almost brand new (2013) and was over $30k. Still looks new though. You can have plenty of fun off road and not beat your ride to death. It's my daily driver and gets cleaned after each outing. It's always your choice what trail to go down... or up. Keep it simple and you can still have lots of fun. Hopefully someday I'll have a 2nd that I can put a beat down on.

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well a another copperhead owner i know just posted pics of him off roading. getting his new jeep " pinstriped" as all you call it. scratches are not attractive don't care what kind of vehicle it is your driving. to just is own though.

a neighbor a few houses down from me, has a CJ lifted with a tractor tires on it, extra seats in the rear of it sitting really high and some really shabby looking brush camo paint job. thats the type of rig i would take off roading and not have a care in the world on how it'll look when im done off roading. not something i just took delivery of last week...

as far as Mall crawling goes hell i haven't stepped foot in a mall in god knows how long....
around a local watering hole i tend to frequent every couple of weeks. i see nothing but lifted sky high brand new diesel pick ups and a few JK's so are these "mallcrawlers" ?

Once again to each is own and however someone wants to spend their money then so be it.

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