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I've had a JK Manual that had transmission problems 71 14.46%
I've had a JK Manual without any major problems 360 73.32%
I've only owned 2 pedal JK's 21 4.28%
I've never had a JK / I just want to see the results 40 8.15%
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Same issues here, 2012 sport 6spd with 400-ish miles. Randomly scratches or pops out of 4th. Id say it went 300 miles before starting, last week it happened at least once on every outing. Yes slow is the key, VERY slow/careful shifting cures it, shouldn't have to though.

I can barley contain my excitment for my trip......probally trips'.....to the dealer lying ahead.
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09 JK, six speed. I've always driven a manual since I could drive, and couldn't imagine driving anything other than a manual on a regular basis. However it did pop out of second for two days straight. I really had to make sure it was in there and in some cases hold it there.
The gear knob would also shake back and forth rapidly for three seconds when I put it into fourth. This only lasted for a couple of days and then it magically stopped. I do have the problem of when it's cold it shifts really hard, especially into second. After she's warmed up its not so bad though.
I do find there is no consistency between smooth shifting and really knotchy shifting. In all my other previous vehicles it was either smoothing sailing or rough waters. This goes back and forth depending on the day or even in the hour.
I experience precisely the same issues on occasion. But, to be honest, it's kind of what I like about driving a manual Jeep as opposed to any other vehicle. It's rugged, stiff & at times, alittle unpredictable... But you feel like you're actually 'driving' it instead of just 'along for the ride' like most vehicles these days.
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pre owned 08 jk UL Sahara. 87k. popping out of 1st gear on take off. dealer replaced 1st gear syncros. 95% better, still popping out every now and then. can not dublicate at the dealer, shift tower on order.
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My bad... Typo, it was 6th gear that was changed in the '12. But... I did read that a new first gear was in the works to solve the POG issue. Anybody else heard this?
Odd but my '12 tranny that failed (see above) never popped out of gear, not once. I simply could not get it to shift into 1st near the end. Makes me wonder if the '12 NSG370 was tweaked to fix the 1st gear POG issue and now ........
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I used to think it only happened when cold. I even tried having my camera on a few times last week. Nothing. Then this week, when it's warmer and the car had been on for at least 20 minutes, it happened twice.

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I used to think it only happened when cold. I even tried having my camera on a few times last week. Nothing. Then this week, when it's warmer and the car had been on for at least 20 minutes, it happened twice.

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To follow up on my '12 JKU Sahara 6 speed tranny failure at 3,100 miles. Went to see the dealer today and the Chrysler rep was there (lucky me). The Chrysler rep had just given the dealer approval to drop the tranny and disassimble it to see why it failed. The tranny mechanis said i was correct in saying there was a major problem. He couldn't get into 1st either. The service manager said he was going to recommend installing a new transmission unless it was something minor. It would not shift into 1st and 3,4,5,and 6 were so difficult it wasnt drivable. When in reverse the vehicle shook violently. Minor? I doubt it. My guess is there is design flaw in this application (Wrangler) and owners have a 50/50 probability of experiencing problems, some major, like mine. I'll see where this goes but it's a definite disappointment that the NSG370 is causing problems in such a great vehicle. Popping out of gear, notchy shifting, synchros failing and cold weather sluggishness, to name the main issues are unacceptable in what should be a highly durable drive train, given the application. This kind of stuff can/will ruin the brand image if Chrysler doesn't step up and play offense and not defense. My opinion, of course. More when I know it.
I've just been thinking that I am to picky when it comes to trannies (which I am) and I just needed to get used to the gearbox in the Jeep but now I see that all the things I have been feeling and hearing are really an actual problem. What really scares me is that you, the person who noticed the same problems, had 3,000 miles when all hell broke loose and I am about to click 2,000... I am starting to get concerned. The shifts are very labored when it is cold, 3rd grinds every once in a while so I have to be very precise about shifting into it, it will pop out of 4th sometimes (usually when hitting a bump), all the gears are very "notchy" as you described and has a popping noise almost like 2 pieces of wood being bumped together. What's your opinion (and everybody else's)... should I take it in to the dealer? Let the dealer know/ talk to my salesman? Is it worth bringing up even though there are no real observable problems?
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:58 PM   #101
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Please take it to the dealer. Clearly, there are issues with this transmission. The more of us that make it an issue the sooner it will be adequately dealt with. Mine started with notchy shifting which was transient and didn't begin until around 2,500 miles. Then a few weeks ago it wouldn't shift into 1st, even at a complete stop. I blew it off thinking it was cold weather related. But it got progressively worse. Finally it became obvious that there was something seriously wrong. It simply wouldn't go into 1st and the other gears were almost as bad. It became undrivable. So, off to the dealer who agress it's a problem that must be fixed. They don't know what the problem is, said they haven't seen it before, and are in the process of disassembly to diagnose it. I've owned and driven various manual shift vehicles over the past 45 years and none have exhibited this behavior. My guess is there is a design issue involved. I've read others posts about shift boots and the like but that related to popping out of gear, which mine never did. This is a German engineered Mercedes sourced transmission used in light truck applications, which tells me it must be relatively reliable. The questions are, 'Why the problems in the Wrangler?' And, "Why is it found in only some of the Wranglers?' It seems you might or might not get a 'bad' one. Based on the numbers of the poll in this thread, 13% have had problems. My guess i'ts the tip of the iceberg, in that only a few of us use this type of resource. I will update the thread when I get answers and hopefully a new NSG370 tranny. Will I get luck on the third one? (I owned a 2011 JK Sahara with the same tranny and it was problem free for the ~2,800 mile I put on it before I traded for the 2012.)
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The biggest thing that I am worried about when I take it to the dealer is that my Jeep is heavy modified and has a full TeraFlex long arm suspension so I really don't know how they would handle this problem... I am not worried about the actual dealership because they are our next-lot neighbors and we get along plus we have bought 2 2012 Wranglers and 2 2012 Grand-Cherokee SRT-8's from them and we have a 300c SRT-8 on order so we are on pretty good terms. It will be the rep who I am afraid will take one look at my Jeep, turn around and check off the little box next to "DENIED"
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Old 02-02-2012, 05:48 PM   #103
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I think you shouldn't worry about your mods to Your Wrangler. There are numerous cases (like mine) where there were no mods and the tranny problems surfaced. Just point them to this thread as evidence. I told my dealer of my internet research and he now knows I'm on top of this which adds validity to the situation. Plus, modified Wranglers are archtypical anyway. My dealer actually builds and sells lifted new JKs. Your dealer should be falling over backwards to help you given your volume business status. I had just recently purchased my wife a new 2011 Town & Country from my dealer, which they remembered. In any case if you don't take it in and it completely fails like mine, it might have been avoidable with proper repairs now. Let your dealer fight the fight with Chrysler. I talked to the Chrysler rep face to face yesterday and all he did was look up to the sky, then never said a word. Granted, they don't know what the problem is yet, or maybe they do and are playing it close to the vest? I'm a retired senior corp. executive, I know how the game is played. This is far from over. Don't let them bully you around. Just be strong.And persistent. I will trust my dealer until I find that I can't. Then hardball.
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:13 PM   #105
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I'm beginning to wonder if Jeep tried to fix the POG thing found in earlier JKs by modifying the tranny for 2012? To wit, it used to pop out of gear, now you can't get it into gear? Just sayin'. I know they changed 6th gear, maybe they tried to fix the other issue at the same time? But, then again, I've read some 2012s have the POG issue. Time will tell....
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Old 02-03-2012, 09:15 AM   #106
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Just talked to he dealer. Diagnosis: 1st gear synchro failure. Chrysler said to replace the synchro not the transmission. They informed the dealer that the synchro failure would cause the rough shifting and other problems experienced. I wouldn't expect 1st gear synchro problems to be expressed as hard shifting in ALL other gears. Chrysler said the cracked synchro causes problems with the various other moving parts, synchros, etc. The clutch and pressure plate were not involved and "looked good." Dealer said it would be ready early next week. I will test drive with the tranny technician and we'll see if it was as simple as the 1st synchro. If it's not 100% ........ I'll write a post drive follow up report.
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I have not had the problem with POG. Just noisy and cluncking at times if rpm is not just right when shifting. I wish there was a solid answer. I think I am just going to go around and test drive other 6 speeds to see if there is similarity.
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Old 02-03-2012, 02:28 PM   #109
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I've only had mine for a few days, but everything works perfectly. No issues getting into or out of gear, no jumping out of gear while engaged, and no noises either. One of the ones I test drove had a horrible 3rd gear rattle, but luckily mine doesn't.
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I've only had mine for a few days, but everything works perfectly. No issues getting into or out of gear, no jumping out of gear while engaged, and no noises either. One of the ones I test drove had a horrible 3rd gear rattle, but luckily mine doesn't.
I hope you get by with no problems. Mine was smooth as butter for the first ~3K then it started the poor shifting thing. I really thought I had a "good one" and was lucky.... Not to be... As someone else said "we shouldn't expect a sports car slick 6 speed". I don't. But it should be reliable... What's going to happen when I start 4 wheeling it? Tranny repair with each tank of fuel??? I'll give it this one repair, one more tranny failure and I'm off to look at FJ Cruisers, heaven forbid...
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This is keeping me from ordering a Rubicon. There's something just not right with this transmission. Manual transmissions are simple, when compared to automatic ones, and, due to their simplicity and long history, tend to be reliable and trouble free. The rough shifting, gear grinding and popping out of gear problems, especially in low mile vehicles, are just not right. This transmission is also used in Mercedes Benz cars and, while not known as being refined, seems to be reliable in those applications.

It seems to me that Jeep addressed the popping out of 1st and 2nd gear issues, seemingly with success, in pre-2012 vehicles. This is good news but they either failed to address issues in the other gears or introduced a new problem. Either way, I've lost confidence in this transmission and I'm looking at other vehicles. The FJ Cruiser also has fairly serious issues with the manual transmission, so that's not an option for me either.

It's starting to look like I might have to settle on a vehicle with an auto transmission and I'm not happy about that.
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My ‘12 has a six speed. I haven’t seen any issues and am not worried. A lot of folks come to forums because they have an issue, so I’d take the poll results with a grain of salt since more folks with troubles are likely to come here and vote.

It does suck for those guys with problems, but you know what they say about anything with wheels or…..!
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'10 JK 2 door. 45k miles. No major problems.

At around 33k did have the shifter break! It seems Chrysler built a two-piece shifter. Where the shifter connects to the piece coming off the tranny there is a half moon shaped plate about 2" long welding the stick to the shifter base off the tranny. I was still able to shift but with great difficulty especially 5th, 6th, and reverse was worse of all!

Brought it in to my local dealer and they fixed me up real nice! They re-welded the crappy half moon connection and got me back in business until replacement parts came in 3 days later! Those guys were great. Didn't have to pay anything. All covered under warranty!
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My ‘12 has a six speed. I haven’t seen any issues and am not worried. A lot of folks come to forums because they have an issue, so I’d take the poll results with a grain of salt since more folks with troubles are likely to come here and vote.

It does suck for those guys with problems, but you know what they say about anything with wheels or…..!
I agree that people use sites like this to review / report problems. Maybe it skews poll results. Having said that I still think there's an inherent problem with this tranny. There are simply too many reports on this and other forums. This is it's first pairing with the new 3.6L Pentastar. So there are probably some issues to resolve. Is it the tranny itself or the way it's engineered to fit in this application? Given the history of complaints it seems it's the tranny. Prospective owners just have to decide if the 'Wrangler 6 speed experience' is worth the possible headaches. Tranny aside, I am really impressed with the new 3.6L JKU. Would I buy again? Yes, but I would seriously consider the 5 speed auto. As far as my dealer experience goes, I'm completely satisfied. They seem to be highly concerned and want to be sure it's properly repaired. When I told my son-in-law about the problems he said; "Well it is a Chrysler." Nuff said.... More after I get my baby back and test drive it...
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I agree that people use sites like this to review / report problems. Maybe it skews poll results. Having said that I still think there's an inherent problem with this tranny. There are simply too many reports on this and other forums. This is it's first pairing with the new 3.6L Pentastar. So there are probably some issues to resolve. Is it the tranny itself or the way it's engineered to fit in this application? Given the history of complaints it seems it's the tranny. Prospective owners just have to decide if the 'Wrangler 6 speed experience' is worth the possible headaches. Tranny aside, I am really impressed with the new 3.6L JKU. Would I buy again? Yes, but I would seriously consider the 5 speed auto. As far as my dealer experience goes, I'm completely satisfied. They seem to be highly concerned and want to be sure it's properly repaired. When I told my son-in-law about the problems he said; "Well it is a Chrysler." Nuff said.... More after I get my baby back and test drive it...
Why would you opt for the auto instead? Just wondering...
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Why would you opt for the auto instead? Just wondering...
I just enjoy the Wrangler enough to give the auto a shot. I almost bought one this time but I thought i would lke the manual better. We live in the mountains of Western NC and really need the 4WD capability in the winter. The 5 sp auto is sold in the Grand Cherokee and from what I can see its not having any major problems. Plus my wife said she wants an auto next time. I usually keep a vehicle a couple of years and then trade anyway. It's always kind of an adventure. I might just go with a Grand Cherokee if....
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My experience in my 2012 Rubicon.
She popped out of 4th gear three times in the last 2 months or so. Key points: all three occurrences happened in the morning as I left home at 0500 with temperatures near or below freezing. All also occurred within 2-3 minutes from start-up. On each occasion I placed her back in 4th and left my hand hovering over the shifter in anticipation of a re-occurrence. It did not.
My opinion is that temperature is definitely a factor. An overly temperature sensitive plastic/rubber boot coupled with a very short and slick throw to 4th gear (more lateral friction and pressure with 2nd and 6th) might be the likely culprit.
No other issues. Monitoring for the moment in case "breaking in" is all she needs.
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I've seen many others' comments on these forums detailing some of my observations, but not all. Here's what I experience.

- sometimes can be very hard to get out of 1st (almost like you have to yank it out)
- sometimes can be difficult to get into 2nd (seems to require extra force)
- all gears are a bit crunchy to some degree. 1st and especially 2nd more so than the others.... sometimes shifting can be smooth as butter. other times, it is crunchy and notchy, etc. there doesn't seem to be any consistency to it (warm, cold, fast, slow shifting). - even my gear shift makes noise when you're moving it around the gearbox. nothing major, just sounds like a quiet notchy sound as it moves through the gears.
I have been driving various manual equipped vehicles for 35 years and I too have noticed similar observations.

At times it doesnt readily want to come out of 1st. More noticeable until the tranny warms up. I have found that shifting from 1st to 2nd at low rpms eases the shift.

Same with not wanting to readily go into 2nd. Easier at low rpms.

The "crunchiness" is more noticeable in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, with 3rd being the worst. 4th thru 6th are always smooth regardless of the weather.
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I have been driving various manual equipped vehicles for 35 years and I too have noticed similar observations.

At times it doesnt readily want to come out of 1st. More noticeable until the tranny warms up. I have found that shifting from 1st to 2nd at low rpms eases the shift.

Same with not wanting to readily go into 2nd. Easier at low rpms.

The "crunchiness" is more noticeable in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, with 3rd being the worst. 4th thru 6th are always smooth regardless of the weather.
Same here...

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