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I've had a JK Manual that had transmission problems 78 14.58%
I've had a JK Manual without any major problems 394 73.64%
I've only owned 2 pedal JK's 22 4.11%
I've never had a JK / I just want to see the results 42 7.85%
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Old 03-16-2012, 11:28 AM   #181
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Straight cut gears - wear your earplugs!
And, I'm curious, what type of car are you running (vintage/pre-war racer?)

No vintage.. I race an AWD Subaru WRX 4 door sedan 2002... Stock awhp dyno numbers are 130hp. I'm putting down dynoed 441 whp. Believe it or not, I'm running PPG gears which really are not that loud.. 5th is still helicle so highway is fine...

As for heal/toe.... Yeah I can't do that.. I SUCK!!!!

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As for heal/toe.... Yeah I can't do that..
Me neither. I used to drive my instructors nuts at racing school because of it. I showed them how I used big toe / little toe ankle roll instead. They finally gave up and let me do it wrong.

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Old 03-16-2012, 01:29 PM   #183
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Me neither. I used to drive my instructors nuts at racing school because of it. I showed them how I used big toe / little toe ankle roll instead. They finally gave up and let me do it wrong.
As long as it works... I just can't control fine movements...
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Mine used to fall out of 3rd and 5th gear. I took it in and the shop told me that they had to adjust the rubber boot below the shifter as it was ridgid enough to push it out of gear. Since they fixed it I have had no issues.
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Old 03-16-2012, 04:24 PM   #185
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No issues with the 6-speed. Shifts great, and good clutch feel!
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Old 03-16-2012, 04:58 PM   #186
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As long as it works... I just can't control fine movements...
Phobos is right as there technically is no "right" way to heel/toe because no two feet are similar and vehicles are all different in the pedal, throttle/brake sensitivy department.
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Phobos is right as there technically is no "right" way to heel/toe because no two feet are similar and vehicles are all different in the pedal, throttle/brake sensitivy department.
...and the size of one's feet.
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Old 03-16-2012, 09:08 PM   #188
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...and the size of one's feet.
Imagine a 6 toe'd man...

OK - now we've really gone off topic.
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Hi everyone! My first post here, just got my JKU on Wednesday (3/14) and with 160 mi. so far it's ok. The first couple of times I tried to shift into 6th it was a little resistant but it seems to need to have the lever moved about a mm to the right to go into gear. All of my vehicles have been 4wd except for one and my last truck was a 4 door longbed Duramax 6 speed manual that would run 12's in the 1/4 mile. Woulda kept it if it wasn't for the injector issues.

The two piece flywheels manufacturers are using these days are crap, yeah it costs less to make but they stink and I was unaware that Chrysler was using them although not surprised. For those that are having cold issues you might wanna try shifting the T-case into neutral and putting the tranny in gear during warm-up - just make sure the emergency brake is set!

This one is gonna stay "stock" except for maybe a slight upgrade in tire size for the first 3 years, and a lot longer for the engine since the 3.6 w/ the 3.73 gears seems to be pretty darn good. Hopefully mine will be one of the many that will be issue free, if not I'll probably break it under warranty.

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Old 03-18-2012, 06:30 AM   #190
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Hi everyone! My first post here, just got my JKU on Wednesday (3/14) and with 160 mi. so far it's ok. The first couple of times I tried to shift into 6th it was a little resistant but it seems to need to have the lever moved about a mm to the right to go into gear. All of my vehicles have been 4wd except for one and my last truck was a 4 door longbed Duramax 6 speed manual that would run 12's in the 1/4 mile. Woulda kept it if it wasn't for the injector issues.

The two piece flywheels manufacturers are using these days are crap, yeah it costs less to make but they stink and I was unaware that Chrysler was using them although not surprised. For those that are having cold issues you might wanna try shifting the T-case into neutral and putting the tranny in gear during warm-up - just make sure the emergency brake is set!

This one is gonna stay "stock" except for maybe a slight upgrade in tire size for the first 3 years, and a lot longer for the engine since the 3.6 w/ the 3.73 gears seems to be pretty darn good. Hopefully mine will be one of the many that will be issue free, if not I'll probably break it under warranty.

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I'm almost positive that they all have to move a tiny bit to the right in order to shift to sixth. Mine does the same, I haven't come across one that doesn't.
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Old 03-18-2012, 07:49 AM   #191
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I'm interested in seeing how common manual JK's have problems that require them to be taken in for non-maintenance repair. For example: jumping out of gear or clutch issues not including standard wear.

I have seen quite a few post on people having problems with the 6-speed. It just makes me what kind of percent of people are running into defective transmission issues.

Please leave the Jeep year with any experiences you would like to share. Thanks!
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Old 03-18-2012, 07:53 AM   #192
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08 JKUR 70K I have never had any problems other than the first few moments in extreme cold.
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Old 03-18-2012, 07:56 AM   #193
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Old 03-18-2012, 07:47 PM   #194
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Here is a follow up for me.

Im now at about 1700 miles. I have to say it is shifting great and has not scratched or poped out of gear in a VERY long time. Probally since my post on here about it. From 100-800 miles it was happening once a day/drive when entering 2nd.

Im usually the first to call dealers comments as "bull crap", but it seems this time there is good reason why they are asking people to give their 6spd's a chance to break in. Albeit we really should not have to.
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Old 03-29-2012, 10:15 PM   #195
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Old 03-30-2012, 12:15 AM   #196
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Talking Thanks for the votes and input - I have joined the fold

After 4 times driving a stick, 2 of those were test drives, I ended up buying a 2DR JKR 6-speed. It probably was the ballsiest move I have ever made. After a couple of days driving it I'm super stoked and glad I did. Not all of us are blessed with mountain ranges. This hopefully will keep me entertained for awhile. At least some day I can look forward to the Badlands and some road trips.

The 20% Fail rate sucks and so I decided to get a Rubicon that I can keep stock as possible and hopefully not have any problems with getting fixed if needed. Hopefully I will be less likely to burn a clutch wheelin' too. I told a sales guy about this post and he said that problems only happen to Lifted Jeeps. I am sort of curious what your guys opinions are about Lifting screwing with the transmission. Regardless I wanted to make sure I gave them no opportunity under warranty to screw me.

The 4.10 gear ratio is SO forgiving. I have a few times gone from 2nd to 5th by mistake without stalling or really even shaking. The Rubicon seems like a really good "car" to learn to drive a manual.
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Old 03-30-2012, 06:03 AM   #197
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Rooster76,

Welcome and congratulations on your new Rubi.

Btw, what was the failure rate?
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Welcome and congratulations on your new Rubi.

Btw, what was the failure rate?
failure rate = % of people having to take there Jeep in for repair for their manual transmission based on the poll on this thread.

I sort of made the poll where you have to do a bit of math to figure it out (because of the auto and just interested options skew the results). Right now it is at 201 good 41 fail or about 80% good 20% . This poll has been going for about 5 months and it has stayed almost dead on that ratio the whole time.
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Popping out of gear

The popping out of gear problem on six speeds is due to the heavy shifter boot material. In cold weather,until the interior warms up, the boot will cause the shifter to seek the position that it was in when it cooled over night. So, leave it in the gears away from the seat, it will tend to pop out of 2 4 6 R. Leave it in the gears by the seat and it will tend to pop out of 1 3 5. This happens only until you get some heat inside.
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The popping out of gear problem on six speeds is due to the heavy shifter boot material. In cold weather,until the interior warms up, the boot will cause the shifter to seek the position that it was in when it cooled over night. So, leave it in the gears away from the seat, it will tend to pop out of 2 4 6 R. Leave it in the gears by the seat and it will tend to pop out of 1 3 5. This happens only until you get some heat inside.
Not always. My 08 will pop out of first if I start to lift off gas (say to yield) then get back on it quick (say the other person waves you on).. Kinda like the old 4 speeds back in the day according to my father.
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Old 04-01-2012, 10:46 AM   #201
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Post Boot service bulletin for 2011-2012 6-speed

I talked to the service manager before buying my 2012 and he printed me off the only TSB for the new manuals. Thanks to JeepCares from another forum I am able to just paste it here for you.
Here's some (edited) info from the Service Bulletin:

NUMBER: 21-002-12
GROUP: Transmission and
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DATE: January 13, 2012

SUBJECT:
Manual Transmission Pops Out Of 2nd, 4th, And 6th Gear Positions
OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves installing a new shifter detent spring and transmission outer shift lever boot and on some models, the inner shift lever boot will be replaced as well.

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2011 - 2012 JK Wrangler
NOTE: This bulletin applies to vehicles equipped with manual transmissions (Sales Code DEH).

SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
The outer shift lever boot may vary in thickness causing the gear shift lever to inadvertently pop-out-of-gear for 2nd, 4th, 6th gears. It can also occur in reverse at times as well. This condition is more prevalent during periods of cold weather when the upper shift boot can become less pliable (depending on thickness) and reacts against the shift lever possibly causing a pop-out-of-gear condition. This condition usually corrects itself once the cabin temperature normalizes and the boot pliability increases. In addition, vehicles built between July 25, 2011 (MDH 0725XX) and July 28, 2011 (MDH 0728XX) may have been built with an inner shift lever boot that can negatively affect this condition.

DIAGNOSIS:
1. Verify that the outer shift lever boot has not been trapped under the shift knob or pushed too far down the shift lever. The boot should be allowed to slide freely on the shift lever. In the neutral position, there should be an approximately 50mm (2 inches) of clearance between the shift knob and the upper boot end. If the boot is trapped, remove the knob to release the boot. If the boot is too far down the shift lever, pull the boot up so that there is approximately 50mm (2 inches) of clearance between the shift knob and the upper boot end.
2. Slide the shift lever back towards the seat and pull the shift knob in an upward motion with a "quick" snap to remove the shift knob.
3. If removal of the shift knob by hand is not possible, wrap a shop towel or equivalent around the base of the shift knob and using puller C-4333A-1 or equivalent and slide hammer, remove the shift knob from the shift lever .
4. Using a trim stick C-4755 or equivalent, separate the outer shifter boot from the console bezel and remove the boot.
5. Verify that the inner shift boot is secured properly to the shifter sled, the center console cross rib structure does not contact the inner shift boot in any gear position, and electrical connectors and wiring harness in the area of the inner shift boot do not impede shift lever movement or get trapped between the inner boot and shift lever during shift lever actuation.
6. Perform the Repair Procedure if both the inner shift boot and outer shift boot shows no signs of causing interference with the shifter.

(diagrams, figure and repair not included or referenced)
There are 3 diagrams that are included with the copy and paste job. Oddly all the pictures show the old type of Boot. It never really points out what the Inner Boot is. Vehicles built between July 25, 2011 (MDH 0725XX) and July 28, 2011 (MDH 0728XX) are going to get a replacement Inner Boot if they come in with a problem.
  1. Shift Lever - (1-Transfer case shift knob 2 -Transfer case shift Lever 3 - Transmission Shift Knob 4 - Transmission Shift Lever 5 - Transmission Outer Shift Boot)
  2. Shift Knob Removal - Shows a slide hammer, Special Tool C C-4333A-1, Shift Knob, Shop Towel
  3. Outer Shift Boot - Points out Center Counsel is the ring around the boot, Outer Shift Boot

Just so there is no confusion this is a picture of a outer shift boot. The rubbery cover of the stick shift. The 2012 model boot is more smooth.
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Old 04-01-2012, 11:05 AM   #202
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Old 04-01-2012, 08:15 PM   #203
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Just happened today - the shifter popped out of fourth gear. I went to continue accelerating and the engine revved up to redline. Production date 12/11 and I have 1250 miles currently.
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2011 with just over 8,000 miles and no problems.
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2008 36,000+ just recently has started popping out of 3rd gear (3x) in last 2 weeks, startled me the first time but it appears it happened going over bumps in road.
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Old 05-16-2012, 06:38 PM   #206
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2012 with 900 miles and no problems yet...
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:38 AM   #207
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My 2012 JKU at 13000 miles the rattling / helicopter noise was getting worse... The dealer replaced the shift rail as he said the reverse rail had worn the shift rail plate... Problem solved for about 150 miles.... Helicopter noise came back in 3rd gear at 2000 rpms.. Someone said something about a redesigned trans mount?????

Im really frusturated the dealer had the vehicle so long it qualified for Lemon Law buy back.. Yay but not really.. Its Crush colored and I cant find any like mine....


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Old 05-14-2013, 11:51 AM   #208
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I voted incorrectly!!! LOL blond moment! I voted two pedal JK's. What I meant was I have only ever owned Manual JK's and never had Transmission trouble, just motor trouble with my '08 3.8Liter
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I've noticed that in cold weather shifting seems a bit notchy. That and shifting into 1st is difficult at times. It seems that the notchy feeling and hard into 1st are related in that when it won't easily shift into 1st the next few shifts through the other gears is more notchy. There are times when I literally can't get into first gear unless I ghost shift through 2nd and 3rd then back to 1st. Oddly, this seems to occur every time when I'm turning into my garage after a brief downhill in 2nd on my driveway. The tranny should be nice and warm by the time I get home, so maybe it's not the cold? It may just be a "Head Thing" now with me trying to force the shift to 1st too early.. I noticed that it helps to let the synchro allow the shift to "fall" into first with just minimal pressure on the stick. I've not had the poping out of 4th problem. I've had the Sahara since August and didn't recall have a problem until it turned cold.
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Been in the shop two weeks now, my transmission was going to be rebuilt but after new gears and shafts it still didn't work right. Chrysler is replacing the whole thing and will be another week or so. I started having issues at 2k and being replaced at 7k. I don't have high confidence that this thing will be trouble free for the remainder of my ownership or in any Chrysler products in general. My rentals have to be there products so first I had a 12 liberty with 31k that I had to swap out to the rental place because the front end felt like it was going fall off, next up 13 avenger with 27k and its auto trans feels like I'm tapping the breaks quick when it shifts. Both of these vehicles drive like they have over 100k on them, granted they are rentals but still. I miss my jeep and love my jeep but I am convinced Chrysler just builds crap.

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