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Old 04-02-2009, 04:38 PM   #1
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Manual Tranny fluid

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I still have the annoying squeel sound between 1500 & 2000 RPM, dealer will not do anything (says it is intake manifold whistle) another dealer claims they can't hear it at all. I am not a mechanic but I am still wondering if it is the clutch. Only has 1300 miles on it '09 JK.

So I am wondering if it has enough fluid in the tranny. How difficult is it to tell if it has fluid? How and where do I check it?

Book says at the bottom or 3/16" below the fill hole......umm I looked where is that?

Any help is appreciated.

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Usually a plug with a square wrench hold located somewhere on the side of the transmission. Remove plug. Put baby finger in curled down. If it comes back with oil on it, it is full. Done while the vehicle is off. Definitely while it is standing still .

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I'll look on mine to verify the location and git back later tonight.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:49 PM   #4
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6 Sp? I bet its the presure plat, my old one did it all the time, are you slippin the clutch when you hear it?
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Am I slipping the clutch? I don't know if I am or not. I hear the chirp, squeel, or whatever when i am driving in any gear between 1500 and 2000 rpm with just a slight amount of acceleration. Best way I can describe is it sounds like a brake when it needs replaced. Just a slight squeel maybe a second or two. Today it got to the 70s and it doesn't seem like it made as much noise after it got warmed up.

I took the clutch disc and throw out bearing TSBs in to both dealers and "they don't apply since my jeep is an 09". I even let the one dealer replace the intake manifold so we could move on cuz he was dead set that was the problem. At my wits end here, do I try yet another dealer?
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Does this accure when your excel.? or just moving down the road at a constant speed? Maybe belt issues? Another thought!!!!!!!! take it back and tell them to figure it out or they (chrysler corp) can do a "BUY BACK"...it happens all the time. (THATS EXTREME")
The thing that bothers me about tearing things apart is that, "this is when things start to leak, drip and the list goes on..."They create other problems when they take things apart and start messing around. Have they heard the noise? When your parked, is it making this noise? or is just when it gets moving? Get back to me and let me know, you can even message me, Let me know!
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Checked mine for the fill plug. It is half way up the transmission on the passenger side. I wouldn't expect that it is low. May need a special tool to open it. As I recall when I was a young lad they had a tool with many sizes of wrench on each end.
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Well, does not happen sitting still. It only occurs while moving down the road between 1500 and 2000 rpm. If i punch the gas no sound. only under light acceleration example: from 35 to 40 mph in 4th gear. I am out of ideas what it could be, just want it fixed and both dealerships have pretty much ignored my attemps for help.

Sad that i finally buy an American car and this is what I end up with.
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Jk'N is this similar to my old thread, but with out the noise?
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what did you have going on
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I had this thing when you'd get to apprx. 40mph and stay right on it, it would stumble or feel like you were driving on those was boards that the DOT cuts into the road, I'll find the thread and send you over
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check out frito79 "help my 07 wrangler has a stuttering problem" and there's another one JK'N knows, he's tried to help me out
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check out frito79 "help my 07 wrangler has a stuttering problem" and there's another one JK'N knows, he's tried to help me out
I thought these were two separate issues. I thought mntnclmbr was talking automatic that is why the discussion went to stuck torque converter. blelaxe i think is talking standard transmission. I wonder what could be causing a noise on a standard under power at that speed and those rpms. And if it happens under those conditions it is not likely clutch slip since his foot should be off of the clutch in that situation unless you leave your foot on the clutch like some do. That would be a bad practice to get into.

Would be interesting if we could think of ways to isolate the noise to a specific system.

One good thing though is that if it is in the drivetrain, chrysler will take care of it when it finally does go. Hope it doesn't get to that point.
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It is a manual and I don't have my foot anywhere near the clutch when it makes the sound. Brake sticking? E-brake problem? wheel bearing? any ideas...I would love to rule out the tranny.
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I hear the chirp, squeel, or whatever when i am driving in any gear between 1500 and 2000 rpm with just a slight amount of acceleration. Best way I can describe is it sounds like a brake when it needs replaced. Just a slight squeel maybe a second or two. Today it got to the 70s and it doesn't seem like it made as much noise after it got warmed up.
This sounds to be on the drive side of the transmission not on the load side. Your statement about it happening in any gear at the same rpm seems to point that way.
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my 08 6 speed x makes the exact same noise that blekaxe is describing. i can make the sound last for just about as long as i want if i have the throttle pressed down just enough. it has to be the throttle body or intake cause the noise only happens when i press the gas just a little i dont know it is just really annoying listening to a brake squeak when i am accelerating
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my 08 6 speed x makes the exact same noise that blekaxe is describing. i can make the sound last for just about as long as i want if i have the throttle pressed down just enough. it has to be the throttle body or intake cause the noise only happens when i press the gas just a little i dont know it is just really annoying listening to a brake squeak when i am accelerating
Hay thanks Badfish. This is the kind of info he needs. I was thinking more towards the engine and not towards the wheels. His earlier post says that they replaced the intake, same noise. Maybe throttle body replacement will be next for him. Sounds a lot cheaper than an intake replacement. Now, will the dealer do it?
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Would it make the sound if it wasn't moving if it was this throttle body thing? I can not produce the sound when it sits still.

Ok so what is the throttle body? Can someone post a picture? I have read that the 3.7L engine can make a whistle like sound under the conditions i describe. Fix it to put some RTV or something on it.

I am honestly thinking about jacking the back end up with my ATV jack and putting it in gear to see if i can produce the noise that way. My girlfriend can hear the noise as well, she could at least point where it is coming from.
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Not sure if you can reproduce the sound that way. It may be conditioned on a certain load on the engine. Load will produce a certain vacuum on the intake. The throttle body is part of that intake where the air passes through just before the intake manifold. If you google it you will probably come up with what the component looks like.
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You might try putting a microphone under the hood with a recording device in the passenger compartment. Record sounds with the microphone in different places under the hood while the car is producing the sound. Chances are the sound will be louder the closer you get to the throttle body. This will be safer than being close to the car with the wheels spinning using the jack up method you proposed in the previous post.
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You might try putting a microphone under the hood with a recording device in the passenger compartment. Record sounds with the microphone in different places under the hood while the car is producing the sound. Chances are the sound will be louder the closer you get to the throttle body. This will be safer than being close to the car with the wheels spinning using the jack up method you proposed in the previous post.
yea i wouldnt suggest the jack it up and run it method. its not safe and its not giving u accurate conditions to test your idea. if you had it on a dyno that would be another story because that would be putting a load on the engine. it would be a good test to elliminate the wind part of it. another reason i think it is the throttle body is because i have heard of other people putting throttle body spacers on and getting that annoying whistle
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I thought about the dyno thing. I am having a hard time finding a device i can use to record someting under there not to mention a small microphone. As for the throttle body idea being the culprit I hope so if the sound is not a sign of something wrong i will live with it. Althought I do not have a throttle body spacer everything is stock.
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jk'n you mention it sounded like the sound was from the drive side of the transmission not load side. Are you meaning the engine side?
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jk'n you mention it sounded like the sound was from the drive side of the transmission not load side. Are you meaning the engine side?
Yah, when you said that it occurs at the same rpms and could be reproduced in more than one gear that points to the drive side of the transmission and not the load side. Meaning the engine and anything associated with it. Anything up to the gears that reduce the rpm on the output of the transmission. For example a bearing on the input side, not that I expect that is the trouble but just an example. The engine goes through a similar cycle on every gear. Since the noise occurs on more than one gear, it could be something in the engine such as the throttle body.
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Have any of you had the problem with the throwout bearing and or clutch disc the tsb refers to? If so what did that sound like?
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So I was thinking about this throttle body thing......If I were to change the air intake or filter would that change the air flow through the body possibly changing the sound or change where in the rpm range it occurs. If the engine gets air easier i would think the whistle would occur lower in rpms? Let me know what you guys think? Assuming that is even the problem.
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So I was thinking about this throttle body thing......If I were to change the air intake or filter would that change the air flow through the body possibly changing the sound or change where in the rpm range it occurs. If the engine gets air easier i would think the whistle would occur lower in rpms? Let me know what you guys think? Assuming that is even the problem.
I would say you are onto something there. Even running it temporarily without the air filter in as long as the air is not dusty where you are might be able to change the conditions to see if it will stop the noise. Easier done in the winter when there is practically no dust in the air. If the air cleaner is dirty, putting a new one on might cause it to go away. Putting one on that is a different build from the stock one such as a third party air cleaner from a local auto parts store just to see what affect it has.

Regarding the suggestion about use of a microphone. Computer stores have cheap microphones that connect via a mini stereo phono plug. They are made to be plugged into the sound card port on most computers. If you had a laptop with a sound card (most have this function) you could use it to help you find the noise source.
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its not the throwout braring tsb, i had it done and its a differnt sound. my jeep makes the exact same sound as yours at the same rpms but mine is becasue of my purejeep intake. mine never made this noise untill i got the intake also before i had the purejeep i had a afe intake and it did the same thing. id say check to make sure your intake is on correctly and the air box is latched down correctly
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id say check to make sure your intake is on correctly and the air box is latched down correctly
If the air box were not latched properly and air was getting by the filter, that could cause whistle I would think possibly where there was no problem before. It would also cause engine wear from dust being sucked in if you leave it the way it is, assuming that were the problem. It would make it so that there would be less resistance on the intake air flow that could cause whistle where there was none before. If you changed your own filter, all the more reason to check it to make sure it is the correct element, seated properly and latched properly. If only the dealer has worked on it then it is simple to check.

If you don't know what it looks like, google it and there should be some pictures of it out there. I had to replace my wife's battery on her PT Cruiser. I googled it and found that it was real easy to remove the air filter box on hers but didn't look easy when I started the job. Her battery was buried under the air intake box. I got to clean a chipmunk nest out while I was at it. Never know what you will find when pulling things apart. As I recall, the first attempt at putting hers back on, things didn't seem quite right so I took it apart and put it back together and found that I hadn't inserted the cover in properly. They are both Chrysler products and could be similar. It is worth a look.
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I've been thinking about this whistle thing. A whistle is, in physics, what is known as a positive feedback resonate system. The first thing that is needed is a resonate system which, in the case of an air intake would be any place in the path that would cause the air to flow in a circular path (such as an abrupt change in the direction of the air flow). This is similar to what happens in a whistle or when blowing across the top of a bottle and making it "sing". The frequency of the resonance would depend on the size of the cavity where the air is making this circular path. The air passing through the system is what provides the energy to start the system to resonate (the air to go in a circle in any part of the path). The energy to continue the air going in this circle comes from the air passing through. Usually the feedback continuing the oscillation would be increased if the air were restricted slightly (up to a point) causing the noise to get louder (not to change pitch). Restricting the air flow slightly would cause the difference in pressure across the resonant cavity to increase causing the circulation to increase (the noise will get louder). This is leading me to believe it is more likely to be a dirty air filter than an open airway caused by an improperly seated filter. This is why experimenting with removing the filter may cause the noise to go away if it is the air filter drag causing the oscillation. It is worth some experimenting with if the noise is in fact an airway oscillation. If you prove that it is, then getting the dealer to look at it will be a lot easier, especially if it is not on their list of service bulletins. If it is just a dirty air filter, then lesson learned.

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