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Old 10-23-2013, 10:08 PM   #1
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Max re-gear ratio for a Dana 30?

I am planning to add 35" tires to my JKU and I am trying to find out how low I can go with the Dana 30. I want to find the right balance between highway performance and light to moderate off-roading.

But knowing how low I can go will help me make some decisions. I have read a lot of threads on which ratios may be best, but couldn't find one with this info. Thanks!

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Old 10-23-2013, 10:14 PM   #2
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The lowest you can possibly go on the JK Dana 30 is 5.13. I believe there used to be a 5.38 available but as far as I know that is no longer available. Besides, the pinion for the 5.13 is already small for the Dana 30, the pinion for 5.38 in a Dana 30 would be similar to a toothpick Good luck on your decision, since you have a 2013 I would suggest 4.56, good gear ratio for 35s and for 37s

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The lowest you can possibly go on the JK Dana 30 is 5.13. I believe there used to be a 5.38 available but as far as I know that is no longer available. Besides, the pinion for the 5.13 is already small for the Dana 30, the pinion for 5.38 in a Dana 30 would be similar to a toothpick Good luck on your decision, since you have a 2013 I would suggest 4.56, good gear ratio for 35s and for 37s
Agree. Or 4.88s.
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With the Pentastar you shouldn't more that 4.88 for 35s. Although some one out there will claim to run 3.21s with 40" tires, auto transmission and have 0-60MPH times under 60 seconds with the 3.8L 5.13s are a good match.
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Thanks for the input! Just trying to keep it relatively close to the performance characteristics of my current 3.6l, 33's w/ 3.73, auto set-up. I also use this as a daily driver and have a 40 mile commute, half mountains and the other half fairly flat highway.

There is so much material, charts out there that it is hard to commit to an upgrade. But, it does sound like most with my set-up with actual road time on some of these configurations do seem to indicate that 4.88 is the min required. I just want to do the right gears for the long term and keeping the $ within reason. LIKE THAT IS POSSIBLE WITH OUR JEEPS!! Wouldn't have it any other way lol!
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If you want to keep it close to the 3.73 and 33" tires you'd want 4.10 gears. But that small of a change isn't worth the cost of regearing unless you're already adding full case lockers front and rear and just throw in the gears to the mix.

I run 4.56 gears with my 35" tires in my Pentastar equipped JK. It's pretty close to the perfect gear ratio and it will handle 37" tires if I upgrade to those in the future.
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With a +2012 auto, I think 4.56's would be good.
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If you want to keep it close to the 3.73 and 33" tires you'd want 4.10 gears. But that small of a change isn't worth the cost of regearing unless you're already adding full case lockers front and rear and just throw in the gears to the mix.

I run 4.56 gears with my 35" tires in my Pentastar equipped JK. It's pretty close to the perfect gear ratio and it will handle 37" tires if I upgrade to those in the future.
derf, nice to hear your feed back since we have close to the same set-up. I really like my set up, just have fallen victim to wanting the look of those bigger tires! Like you and panther have mentioned, 4.56 gears seem to be more recommended with the 3.6l.

I certainly do not want to spend money for little effect. These forums are great for getting info to compare and evaluate for your own needs!
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derf, nice to hear your feed back since we have close to the same set-up. I really like my set up, just have fallen victim to wanting the look of those bigger tires! Like you and panther have mentioned, 4.56 gears seem to be more recommended with the 3.6l.

I certainly do not want to spend money for little effect. These forums are great for getting info to compare and evaluate for your own needs!
I drive a manual so my original 3.21 gears with the 32" stock tires was dismal. I almost never used 6th gear unless I was driving on the freeway with a good tail wind. I did the gears a week before I bought the tires.

The thing about the automatic is that it will do all the downshifting and upshifting for you. It's much less of a chore when the transmission does it instead of you. I would almost suggest trying out 35" tires with your 3.73's and see if you mind too much. Once you have some experience under your belt you'll better know whether you really want to regear or not.

Doing a little math, the 3.73 gears with 35's is roughly equivalent to 3.40's with the stock 32's. You won't win any speed contests but you may just decide you can live with it rather than spend the $1K or more on regearing.
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I have a '13 JKU Sahara manual. My tech is telling me 4.88s for 35s. The odd thing is that he is telling me that nothing will need to be done to the computer. I read on here all the time about the pro cal. Don't know much about this stuff, but want the bigger tires. Don't want speedo and odo (and I guess potentially ABS, stability, etc) to be out of whack, though. What do folks think about the 4.88s and the computer comment? Does this guy just not know what he's doing?
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If you want to keep it close to the 3.73 and 33" tires you'd want 4.10 gears. But that small of a change isn't worth the cost of regearing unless you're already adding full case lockers front and rear and just throw in the gears to the mix.

I run 4.56 gears with my 35" tires in my Pentastar equipped JK. It's pretty close to the perfect gear ratio and it will handle 37" tires if I upgrade to those in the future.
Use the calculator DERF references. Pretty accurate.
And X2. Based on your commute I'd go 4.10s but that's a lot of money for not much difference. (Try finding a JKUR with 35s and test drive it). 4.56s will give you great performance on and off road but you'll lose money on MPG because of highway RPMs. So it may be a toss up for you. IMO 4.88s are way too much for your scenario.
You may find 35s and 3.73s are ok.
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I have a '13 JKU Sahara manual. My tech is telling me 4.88s for 35s. The odd thing is that he is telling me that nothing will need to be done to the computer. I read on here all the time about the pro cal. Don't know much about this stuff, but want the bigger tires. Don't want speedo and odo (and I guess potentially ABS, stability, etc) to be out of whack, though. What do folks think about the 4.88s and the computer comment? Does this guy just not know what he's doing?
Gearing is subjective. (But use the calculator) I am kind of a gear thread freak- I'd say the majority of folks in your situation are running 4.56s. The shops here tend to do 4.56s. Unless you off-road a lot and crawl ratio is key; or you may swap to 37s later- 4.56s should do it. 4.88s were most common on the 3.8L and I think some shops are just stuck on it. (Also 4.56s used to be uncommon). Not that 4.88s won't be fine....
Not Procal-ing or adjusting your engine computer will mean that your speedo and odometer are wrong. You don't "need" to do it- but you should. A Procal is $150 and does more than just gear ratio.
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I have a '13 JKU Sahara manual. My tech is telling me 4.88s for 35s. The odd thing is that he is telling me that nothing will need to be done to the computer. I read on here all the time about the pro cal. Don't know much about this stuff, but want the bigger tires. Don't want speedo and odo (and I guess potentially ABS, stability, etc) to be out of whack, though. What do folks think about the 4.88s and the computer comment? Does this guy just not know what he's doing?
The guy doesn't know what he's doing.

You do need to tell the computer about the gear ratio (either with a ProCal, or some other kind of programmer) along with the actual tire size. You have to do this in any JK to keep the speedometer accurate. It's more important when you have an automatic transmission because the computer needs to know when to shift and it calculates that based on gear ratio and tire size.

When I did my gear swap I used my BullyDog tuner to tell the computer about the gear ratio change. My speedo was just as accurate as it was before the gear change. When I swapped to the bigger tires, I ran out on the highway with my GPS. I recorded the speed on the GPS and the speed the speedometer was reading. Then I applied the following equation:

Factory tire size (according to the computer) * GPS speed / speedometer speed = new tire size.

I went from something like 31.01 to 33.48 and my speedometer is pretty much exactly right according to the GPS.
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The guy doesn't know what he's doing.

You do need to tell the computer about the gear ratio (either with a ProCal, or some other kind of programmer) along with the actual tire size. You have to do this in any JK to keep the speedometer accurate. It's more important when you have an automatic transmission because the computer needs to know when to shift and it calculates that based on gear ratio and tire size.
^this. If you don't reprogram the computer to the new gears it will think something is wrong and go into limp mode as many call it.
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Great info!

You all have definitely given me the kind of info I need to make a decision. I have been looking around and 4.56 does come up a lot. Losing a little mpg will not bother me if the performance is there. Didn't buy it for the mpg anyway, but want to stay within reason. I agree that just going to 4.10 is not worth the money in the short term, but the added stress without upgrading I guess would have long term effects. Rather pay a little now, then really pay later!
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Another 4.56 recommendation

Just finished talking to the shop that will most likely do my regear and he has also recommended 4.56 for my plans/DD/commute/etc.
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Just finished talking to the shop that will most likely do my regear and he has also recommended 4.56 for my plans/DD/commute/etc.
Do you have auto or 6spd? Does it make a difference?
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i have a 2012 six speed manual. i am running 35x12.5x15 goodyear mtr's with 4.88 gears. in my opinion it feels perfect. 2700 rpm at 70 mph and the engine is not working hard at all. and in a jeep with 35" tires do you really want or need to go any faster than that? i average 15 - 15.5 mpg. if i had it to do all over again i would go with 4.88. i couldn't be happier.
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In my 2012 with the 6 speed, 35" Duratracs and 4.56 gears, I'm running closer to 25-2600 at around 70. With the Bully Dog economy tune I get 17-18 mpg while still having plenty of power. I would certainly do it this way again as well.
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[QUOTE="derf;5643097"]In my 2012 with the 6 speed, 35" Duratracs and 4.56 gears, I'm running closer to 25-2600 at around 70. With the Bully Dog economy tune I get 17-18 mpg while still having plenty of power. I would certainly do it this way again as well.[/QUOT

Thanks for the great info. Does the Bully Dog do the the re calibration too, or did you need something like AEV pro cal as well?
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i used a pro cal for mine. i may have went with 4.56 but my shop only likes to use yukon gears so i went with the 4.88. i am sure as you can see from above that either ratio will be fine.
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Thanks for the great info. Does the Bully Dog do the the re calibration too, or did you need something like AEV pro cal as well?
The Bully Dog does the programming that a ProCal would do and a bunch more. You have full control over pretty much every setting you can think of with the Bully Dog.
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The Bully Dog does the programming that a ProCal would do and a bunch more. You have full control over pretty much every setting you can think of with the Bully Dog.
Thanks. Can you use them on 2013? When I last talked to the shop, he said they weren't compatible with the 2013.
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Thanks. Can you use them on 2013? When I last talked to the shop, he said they weren't compatible with the 2013.
I don't know. I'd call Bully Dog and ask them.
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I don't know. I'd call Bully Dog and ask them.
Good idea. Thx. Will need to before I pull the trigger.
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Yup, automatic. If I didn't have so much highway driving, they would recommend putting in the 4.88s. Where I live you can't really get anywhere without riding a highway a good bit, all 65 mph limits. Honestly, I really never go over 70 mph anyway in the Jeep, nor have a desire to do so. I have other vehicles for that!
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rpms

Just curious, I checked my rpms on the highway today and found that at 72 mph, the rpms are about 2300. Pretty good I think and it was doing that speed easy and smooth.
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Posted this elsewhere too, but just trying to get alot of info!

Ok, I kinda put the cart before the horse and put the 35"s on. What I found today on my 40 mile commute was that the performance is nearly identical to the 33"s, mph actually gained 1 mile/gal (even know our elec dash guage is not accurate, it is a guage and the 33's usually showed 17.4, now it showed 18.5 after about 150 miles on the 35's), my rpms at 68mph was just a hair above 2000 on the tach. 70-72mph it looked like 2100rpms.

This all make sme hesitant to re-gear to 4.56, and 4.10 just doesn't seem worth it. I know however, I may suffer off-road performance, and that is the balancing act we must go through. It does though seem that 4.10 may actually be the best balance, as I am really an every now and then off-roader and beach rat during the summer.

Any more thoughts on this? I am scheduled for a re-gear on the 18th, so I want to research this to death before hand lol! Or not do it even. Thanks all!
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Just following up. I went with the 4.56 and the performance is amazing. Instantly noticeable. Interstate travel is undiminished, if not improved! Really. It is running about 400 rpms higher at 70-72mph, but it is not straining at all. And after re flashing the computer for the new gears, it looks like my mpg will be about the same, if not slightly better!

Seriously, I could have gone 4.88s and would have anyway if I wheeled more than I commuted/frequent long trips. Would have been disappointed with only going to 4.1 after experiencing the 4.56. My fear was over doing it really, but I probably would do 4.88 in the same situation.

It was totally worth it to me and I hope someone can benefit from my experience with the upgrade. Thanks for all the info!
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Further review, mpg

After two full tanks and hand calculations, I lost 1.4 mpg with the new gearing. Totally worth it though with the overall performance and less stress on the jeep turning those 35"s.

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