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Old 11-07-2011, 09:01 PM   #1
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Media Center 130 (RES+RSC) to Media Center 430N (RHB)

When spec'ing out my wife's '12 JK Sahara she had no interest in a navigation unit. The day after her JK was built she came and told me she saw a Jeep with a navigation unit and now thinks it's a good idea.

Her JK will come with the Media Center 130 with Sirius satellite radio, Infinity sound, UConnect, and Connectivity Group.

I found a source where I can buy a Media Center 430N (RHB) online and they guarantee it will work and seem to have a good reputation for making things right when others had problems. Will I be able to just plug and play a Media Center 430N (RHB) unit into place with all the features like steering wheel controls, and voice commands? Will the free year of Sirius Satellite radio transfer to the new unit? I like the idea of being able to add a MyGig Lockpick and rear camera as well.

I know I can go the aftermarket route but it seems that there is a lot more work and expense after you buy the head unit and then all the conversion kits, satellite radio interface, antennas, trim adapters, etc. and it still doesn't look "factory".

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There's a guy here on the forum name xsdbs who knows an awful lot about sound systems in general, and the Wrangler options specifically. He knows someone at Chrysler and, in the threads I've seen, has been able to find out info for people that I wouldn't even begin to understand.

Maybe shoot him a PM? He really only seems to pop up in the audio / Uconnect / cell phone pairing threads...I imagine he spends a lot of time in the Communications and Electronics part of the forum.

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Thanks, I got with xsdbs via PM and he helped me out quite a bit.

For others that are in the same situation the two units are plug and play swappable without any new wiring needed.

Now to try and find one cheap...
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Hey Stroh, Glad I was able to help you out, did you look at that guys add on Ebay? Might be worth trying to out bid and still get a good price. Something that I have done in the past on items that I was looking at was to look at the sellers feed back and find the sold items that I was looking at and find an average sale price then contact the seller thru eBay & make an offer.



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Thanks, I got with xsdbs via PM and he helped me out quite a bit.

For others that are in the same situation the two units are plug and play swappable without any new wiring needed.

Now to try and find one cheap...
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I have been watching it. Now the bid is at $1000 with 2 hours remaining. Maybe I'll try and snipe it at the last second. :-)
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Did you get lucky at the auction on eBay and get that radio





QUOTE=stroh;1737337]I have been watching it. Now the bid is at $1000 with 2 hours remaining. Maybe I'll try and snipe it at the last second. :-)[/QUOTE]
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I got tied up and didn't get back in time. It went for $1100. I need to research some completed auctions and see if I can get a deal from them since they are local to me.
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Cruise the other forums too. I found an '11 RER for $650 and the same guy sold an RHB for $400.




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Thanks for the tip, I have been lurking in quite a few places already. Craigslist so far hasn't panned out at all and the majority of the ones on ebay are going for a premium above what I can buy retail.
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FYI, I did some research on this because I wanted a Sport and you can't get the Nav with it or add the factory 430 or 730 later.

Anyway, I got a place to price out a Pioneer system for just over $1K that will blow away the factory nav system. That's the price with all the conversion kits and all. It will work with the steering wheel controls. Do yourself a favor and look into some of the after-markey nav systems before deciding you want the factory radio. They are really top notch stuff and you will save some $$$ in the process.
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I went to a local shop and was quoted just over $1500 for the "low end" Pioneer. He was pushing toward a Kenwood that was $1500 for the head unit alone. I think the shop itself is way overpriced but they do show quality work so I guess they can get away with it.
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Just so I'm straight here, I can remove the base model sat radio I got with my 2012 Sport and just plug in the 430 unit. Is that correct?
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I have the connectivity group and Uconnect so it is plug and play and I keep all the features. I'm not sure if those are stock on the sport. I think the radios should be plug and play but you might not get all the features without those other options. I'm sure xsdbs will be able to give you a clearer answer.
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I have those options as well...now to find a 430 head unit!!
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Just so I'm straight here, I can remove the base model sat radio I got with my 2012 Sport and just plug in the 430 unit. Is that correct?
No that is not correct. I called two dealers and then verified with Jeep customer service. The 430 & 730 will NOT work in the Sport models. Has something to do with the wiring. You will need to go after-market
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I went to a local shop and was quoted just over $1500 for the "low end" Pioneer. He was pushing toward a Kenwood that was $1500 for the head unit alone. I think the shop itself is way overpriced but they do show quality work so I guess they can get away with it.
That's ridiculous if that price is for only the head unit. You can buy the Pioneer for $700 or so. So they are charging $800 labor???!!! You need to price a few other shops.
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Well, I have to say that I doubt the dealer and their knowledge. I am so sure of myself (and if I'm wrong, that's ok also because I have no problem learning something) I am going to see about getting schematics on this vehicle with the RES radio and a schematic on the Rubicon with the RHB radio and compare them. Hang tight and I will get back on this issue with you.



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No that is not correct. I called two dealers and then verified with Jeep customer service. The 430 & 730 will NOT work in the Sport models. Has something to do with the wiring. You will need to go after-market
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I can assist with this. I have a 2007 X, which was the original base model with an RES unit. I bought an '11 RER from a fellow on another forum. The stock plug came out of the RES and into the RER. Done. I had to add a GPS antenna, as well as a microphone. Pulled the radio back out to plug in the 2 external devices. Done. Everything functions as it should, and functions perfectly. The X model was re-badged Sport. My belief is that the Sport and X are what they are, base models. I see no reason why the Sport can not have an RHB or RER installed in it.


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That's ridiculous if that price is for only the head unit. You can buy the Pioneer for $700 or so. So they are charging $800 labor???!!! You need to price a few other shops.
The price was for the head unit, conversion cable for CAN-bus, adapter for steering wheel controls, microphone, gps antenna, Sirius antenna, Sirius module, trim pieces to make the head unit fit the dash opening, and labor. After all the nickle and dimeing it ended up much more that swapping out the head units.
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The price was for the head unit, conversion cable for CAN-bus, adapter for steering wheel controls, microphone, gps antenna, Sirius antenna, Sirius module, trim pieces to make the head unit fit the dash opening, and labor. After all the nickle and dimeing it ended up much more that swapping out the head units.

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I can assist with this. I have a 2007 X, which was the original base model with an RES unit. I bought an '11 RER from a fellow on another forum. The stock plug came out of the RES and into the RER. Done. I had to add a GPS antenna, as well as a microphone. Pulled the radio back out to plug in the 2 external devices. Done. Everything functions as it should, and functions perfectly. The X model was re-badged Sport. My belief is that the Sport and X are what they are, base models. I see no reason why the Sport can not have an RHB or RER installed in it.


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Okay maybe not so much help. I have no data on 2012s.
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Hey nwbronco, no problem. I still believe that it will be a plug and play setup. The radio and CAN system is smart.
I think the problem with the dealer is that they see the 430N in a vehicle with an amp and the sport I dont think has an amp. The radio will see that there is no amp and use full radio wattage to drive the speakers. If the radio saw there is an amp on the CAN line, then the radio would drop the power to a low level output to match the amps input.
The only other thing that may need to be done (but I doubt it) would be that the dealer may also need to change the radio code from RES to RHB.


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Yes, please see what you can find out. Initially I was going to do exactly that - buy the 430 (or in my case the 730) after-the-fact and have it installed. I figured it was plug and play. My salesman initially talked to the owner of the dealership who said he "thought the wiring was different" and could not do it. He then talked to the service manager who said the same thing. Then I talked to Jeep customer service by email and they said the exact same thing. I don't get why there would be a difference. I have the exact same 130 Infininity system as the Sahara or Rubicon. Let me know what you find out, good luck!
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My 2011 Sport came with the 'plain" Sirius system, and my dealer upgraded it to the RHR Sirius/Nav system at my request, on purchase. Works perfectly for me.

At the service appointment yesterday, I asked the tech who specializes in their electronics installs what the task list was for this kind of swap. He said it was a simple "plug and play" hardware switch, but on mine he had to add the remote (a-pillar mounted) microphone. After the physical install, he had to tell the computer what radio was installed. That's it.
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The price was for the head unit, conversion cable for CAN-bus, adapter for steering wheel controls, microphone, gps antenna, Sirius antenna, Sirius module, trim pieces to make the head unit fit the dash opening, and labor. After all the nickle and dimeing it ended up much more that swapping out the head units.
Here is the price I got. I have the 130 system with the Infinity upgrade (Sub, speakers, amp). This price is for the head unit & installation only. Keeping the stock speakers, sub and amp

Pioneer AVIC X930BT $910.00

If I want to keep the steering wheel controls total is $1,060

hope this helps. i will probably get this installed in a couple months
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My 2011 Sport came with the 'plain" Sirius system, and my dealer upgraded it to the RHR Sirius/Nav system at my request, on purchase. Works perfectly for me.

At the service appointment yesterday, I asked the tech who specializes in their electronics installs what the task list was for this kind of swap. He said it was a simple "plug and play" hardware switch, but on mine he had to add the remote (a-pillar mounted) microphone. After the physical install, he had to tell the computer what radio was installed. That's it.
Can you ask if that goes for 2012 also? I heard the same thing - that up to 2011 you could swap them out. Then I heard that something changed for the 2012's

Also - can you tell me what the cost was to change it out?
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Can you ask if that goes for 2012 also? I heard the same thing - that up to 2011 you could swap them out. Then I heard that something changed for the 2012's

Also - can you tell me what the cost was to change it out?
A call to the service department led to a completely uniformed conversation with a service team manager. The dealer service manager said he didn't know, but would get back to me...

The Nav upgrade came during purchase. Initially they wanterd to charge me $2k. After backing off from the sale, they came down to $1k. Still pricey, but worth it to keep the warranty, and not go thru the hassle of a third-party install.
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A call to the service department led to a completely uniformed conversation with a service team manager. The dealer service manager said he didn't know, but would get back to me...

The Nav upgrade came during purchase. Initially they wanterd to charge me $2k. After backing off from the sale, they came down to $1k. Still pricey, but worth it to keep the warranty, and not go thru the hassle of a third-party install.
That's good. They quoted me $2 grand initially, until they came back and said it would not work in there.
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The 730N can be added as a PnP also but as you mentioned, it takes a different mic (however, you could adapt the factory mic in the A pillar trim to work with the 730N. The factory mic is a much better quality mic than the external mounted mic kit) and the tech (as mentioned) will have to use the scan tool to tell the CAN BUS system that the vehicle now has a 730N radio instead of the RES. This is because the CAN BUS will look for an RES radio, when it doesn't see the RES radio, it will throw a diagnostic code.



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My 2011 Sport came with the 'plain" Sirius system, and my dealer upgraded it to the RHR Sirius/Nav system at my request, on purchase. Works perfectly for me.

At the service appointment yesterday, I asked the tech who specializes in their electronics installs what the task list was for this kind of swap. He said it was a simple "plug and play" hardware switch, but on mine he had to add the remote (a-pillar mounted) microphone. After the physical install, he had to tell the computer what radio was installed. That's it.
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That's good. They quoted me $2 grand initially, until they came back and said it would not work in there.
Okay, the dealer service manager called me back. When presented with the hypothetical situation (2012 JK, outiftted just like your wife's, needing to be upgraded to the 430 system), it is possible, and would progress just as my upgrade. Hardware plug and play, add the mic to the a-pillar, and tell the computer what radio is installed.

Take it for what it's worth, since I am no expert, but the same technician that performed the upgrade on mine (Hall in VBVA), says it is the same procedure for a 2012. When I asked if his department had actually performed the upgrade to a 2012, he said "not yet"... So, again, take the input with a grain of salt.

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