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Old 08-21-2014, 02:29 PM   #1
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Mickey Thompson Baja Claw Radial VS Mickey Thompson MTZ

So far these two tires are the one's I like most based on reviews, price, and my personal preference of their tread pattern. I was curious what those who have owned them have experienced. I'll mainly be driving on the concrete/highway, but plan to go out in the trails from time to time. I read somewhere that the Claw is great in the mud, but when trying to reverse in mud it doesn't do so well. Has anyone experienced this? Is it really that troublesome?

I'm open to other suggestions, but I really like the look of all the tread on the sidewall. I really like the Maxxis Creepy Crawler, but unfortunately they don't make it in a 33. The Nitto Trail Grappler's look pretty cool too, but I think the Mickey Thompson's are cheaper.

I look forward to hearing what everyone has to say. I have read the majority of threads on the topic, which is how I have come to this point. I'm mainly curious about the Mickey Thompsons. Thanks!

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If your going to mainly be on the concrete then I would suggest a more mild tread... But to each their own if u want super aggressive just know that there gonna effect how she handles on the road. As far as the two mt tires I only have experience with the claws (my roommate had them on his jeep in college). They did great offroad but were really rough and vibrated the whole jeep on road. If you are planning on driving in snow at all I would stay away from the claws. I was with him on more than one occasion where we ran off the road and it could have turned out worse than it did. In fact most of the time when we went places in the winter I dove and we took my Buick cause it handled better.

Hope this helps. They were great in the mud just know there gonna be rough on road and wear fast if your mostly highway.

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I love in FL so luckily snow isn't a concern. How were they in rain? I'm aware they will humm because of the tread but didn't think they would vibrate anything. How fast did they wear? Any idea how's by miles he got out of them? I know a less aggressive tread is a better idea but I really like the aggressive look and crazy tread.

I know super swamper boggers and the TSL thornbirds vibrate like crazy because of the uneven tread. Is it really that noticeable? I so drive on the highway at 70 mph quite often.
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Here's my experience.

The MTZ and the Baja claw both perform very well. I would not put them on a pavement only vehicle. Especially not one in Florida. There just isn't any point. There's no snow, or bad road conditions other than rain. But truthfully, some sipped Highway tires will out perform mud tires in the rain. IME most mud tires suck in the rain. Plus they are loud, and wear extremely fast.

A buddy of mine had a truck that he put some thornbergs on. And he didn't even get 10k miles out of them. And they were loud. I had a set of IROKs that were great on the trail but pretty annoying on the highway. I had a set of boggers that were bald by 8k miles and they were PAINFUL driving to the trail in.

If your not going to be offroad, no point in mud tires. A good set of ATs will do everything you want. Moreso than mud tires will.

I wouldn't do it. But that's me.
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Old 08-21-2014, 06:11 PM   #5
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Here's my experience. The MTZ and the Baja claw both perform very well. I would not put them on a pavement only vehicle. Especially not one in Florida. There just isn't any point. There's no snow, or bad road conditions other than rain. But truthfully, some sipped Highway tires will out perform mud tires in the rain. IME most mud tires suck in the rain. Plus they are loud, and wear extremely fast. A buddy of mine had a truck that he put some thornbergs on. And he didn't even get 10k miles out of them. And they were loud. I had a set of IROKs that were great on the trail but pretty annoying on the highway. I had a set of boggers that were bald by 8k miles and they were PAINFUL driving to the trail in. If your not going to be offroad, no point in mud tires. A good set of ATs will do everything you want. Moreso than mud tires will. I wouldn't do it. But that's me.
I hear what your saying and I understand your point. Is there a cool AT tire with the sidewall tread? I really like "the look" of an aggressive mud tire. I def plan on taking it off road but it's not even 2 months old yet. So I want to wait till it gets some wear incase it gets scratched on the trail.

Why do the tires wear so fast? With all the extra rubber you would think they last longer. Is it a softer rubber then street tires?
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Any idea how many miles I could expect to get out if a set of Mickey thompsons?? I'd like to get 30k or more and I'd be happy.
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The claws I had I got 25k miles out of.

I've never known anyone that got over 30k miles out of either of those tires. They just aren't built for the highway.

They may look cool, but trust me, if your gonna be mainly highway, and it's your DD, you'll hate having an agressive mud tire.

But that's their trade off. You get terrible gas mileage, terrible on pavement traction at highway speed, a terrible ride, bad rain performance, and lots of noise for great offroad performance. Plus they are more expensive.
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The claws I had I got 25k miles out of. I've never known anyone that got over 30k miles out of either of those tires. They just aren't built for the highway. They may look cool, but trust me, if your gonna be mainly highway, and it's your DD, you'll hate having an agressive mud tire. But that's their trade off. You get terrible gas mileage, terrible on pavement traction at highway speed, a terrible ride, bad rain performance, and lots of noise for great offroad performance. Plus they are more expensive.
You really make mud tires sound horrible for daily use. If they're really that bad why do so many people have them? I honestly don't think I've ever even seen a jeep that had after market wheels with street tires. It's unheard of. I feel like 90% of jeeps have mud tires. I'd be willing to bet that of those people running mud tires 99% of them probably do 50% of their driving on pavement. That's probably a low guess it's probably more like 70% of the miles they drive is on pavement. Even if you use your jeep just for trails more then likely you drove it on pavement to get to the trail. Am I way off?
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Someone told me that adding another stabilizer to the front helps with the vibration caused by mud tires. Is that true? I'm not very knowledgable when it comes to this stuff so if someone could enlighten me I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
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Baja claw are a kind of "directional tire" like Kuhmo KL71 make tire rotation almost impossible... If you are looking on MTZ style, Nitto Trail Grappler are the way to go IMHO...
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You can not go wrong with the MTZ! My last set I had siped for winter, even better ice and packed snow traction!

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You can not go wrong with the MTZ! My last set I had siped for winter, even better ice and packed snow traction!

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Baja claw are a kind of "directional tire" like Kuhmo KL71 make tire rotation almost impossible... If you are looking on MTZ style, Nitto Trail Grappler are the way to go IMHO...
Good point. They are kinda "directional". I didn't think about that. I do like the nitro trail grappler a lot too. Have you owned them? How are they on highway?
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I've owned both and the Claw is superior off road but the price to pay on the road is high unless your deaf and ...

Even though the MTZ's are slightly louder than average they are noticeably quieter than the Claws. If your Jeep is driven mostly off road then definitely go with the Claws. They great in everything but mud and asphalt.

The Grapplers are not is the same league.
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Old 08-22-2014, 04:25 AM   #15
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You really make mud tires sound horrible for daily use. If they're really that bad why do so many people have them? I honestly don't think I've ever even seen a jeep that had after market wheels with street tires. It's unheard of. I feel like 90% of jeeps have mud tires. I'd be willing to bet that of those people running mud tires 99% of them probably do 50% of their driving on pavement. That's probably a low guess it's probably more like 70% of the miles they drive is on pavement. Even if you use your jeep just for trails more then likely you drove it on pavement to get to the trail. Am I way off?
Yeah IMO your pretty off.

Mud tires are designed for mud. Not pavement. Some are more forgiving than others and CAN be highway driven, but that's not it's purpose.

It's just my opinion after so many years of doing this, but unless you are hitting the trails hard at least twice a week and your not using it as your primary means of transportation, you really won't get the use out of aggressive mud tires to offset the price, ride, and loss of fuel efficiency.

As to all the other pavement queens riding on muds.....well, people love attention.

However.

One thing you COULD do, that I have done in the past to great success, is get a whole new set of mud tires AND rims. Swap them out when you are going to the trails, and then mainly run your less aggressive wheels/tires for daily use.

This may seem more expensive but it will be cheaper in the long run. You'll get much more life out of them instead of chewing them up on the highway.

But if you have cash to burn and your OK sacrificing fuel efficiency, ride comfort, and buying new tires every six months JUST for the sake of posing for others, then by all means, don't let me deter you. But I'm way to poor for that.

Plus if you don't think that tread alone will make a difference, think of this. When I switched tires from 40" mild treads to 40" SS IROKs in my h2. I went from about 8mpg......down to about 5-6. 6 on a good day.
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As far as the two mickeys that u picked I would go with the mtz its gonna have better road manners and I've heard good things about them.

If u want an aggressive all terrain tire with some sidewall tread check out the duratracs I know not everybody loves them but trust me when I say enough people do on this forum that u can't go wrong (I'm running them).

As far as where people get their statistics sometimes just boggles me.

Sinister those mtz look great on your jeep!!

To answer my original post yes I mean vibrate the jeep when it was slowing down to a stop the whole thing would vibrate. And not from them being out of balance just from them being in a stiff suspension tj haha. He pit a set of general grabbber at's on it then and liked those a whole lot better.

I'm not trying to tell u how to spend your money get whatever tire you feel your gonna be happy with. But I will tell u that I ran mt tires as a dd tire once before and I'm not personally eager to go back to that. Until I reach a point where my rig sees more dirt than pavement I'm sticking with an all terrain. YMMV.
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Thanks for all the feedback so far everyone. You've given me a lot to think about.

As far as has goes I'm not really concerned about that. I'm looking to get 33s. So I can't imagine it will be that much worse from the stock size since it's not that much bigger. If it is then so be it.

I don't want a tire that handles horribly on dry or wet pavement since it is my dd and it rains a lot here in FL. I was also gonna do a 2.5" suspension lift and maybe a stabilizer. Will that help with the ride comfort? I don't want something that's gonna vibrate my teeth loose.

I would also like a tire to last at least 30k miles. I'd be content if I get that much out of them.
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I have the MTZs. Chose them over the Claws because of the directional tread.
I think they feel great in the rain. Never felt in danger. I have the 315/75 R16. About 15,000 miles so far. Still have about 80% thread give or take.
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MTZ's are great. I thought they wore better then any other mud tire I have owned. Lasted 45,000 miles and still had enough tread that I got 500 dollars for them from the tire shop when I swapped them out.
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I had MTZ's and they are very good off road, handle very well on road, quieter than any other Mud tire I've ever had and wear very very well. Best mud tire I have owned. I had the MTZ's on my 2006 LJ from 2006 to 2012 and there was still about 40% tread left on them. I traded the LJ for a 2012 JKU Sport because the LJ had the OPDA problem. I travel in the state of Florida for a living doing Telecommunications for all the big named Phone, Internet, & Wireless companies.
The Claws are very good off road, Loud, handle a little rough on road, and wear very fast.
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Anyone else have experience with these tires or have any suggestions? I was enjoying checking this thread but now it's been silent.
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If you decide to go with the more aggressive Claws you should also consider the BFG Krawler.

The fact that you are worried about getting your Jeep scratched tends to indicate you are more interested in the aggressive look that putting an aggressive tire to work hard. If this is the case stay away from Claws, they are like real beadlocks, a great asset off road if you really need them but a pain to live with if you don't.
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If you decide to go with the more aggressive Claws you should also consider the BFG Krawler. The fact that you are worried about getting your Jeep scratched tends to indicate you are more interested in the aggressive look that putting an aggressive tire to work hard. If this is the case stay away from Claws, they are like real beadlocks, a great asset off road if you really need them but a pain to live with if you don't.
I'm not worried about getting it scratched but it's not even 2 months old yet. I'd just prefer any scratches come later. I'll take it down the trails in the Ocala national forest and the game reserve in citrus county and anything in between. So it will see the dirt I'm just not looking to go right away.

I'll check out the bfg krawlers. Thanks for the suggestion. I had the bfg all terrains on my '85 bronce when I was younger and they did pretty well off road but then I got general grabber MTs and it was night and day difference off road. I thought they handled fine on pavement. Thru had a slight hum but nothing terrible. I also remember them handling great in the rain on pavement.
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The BFG Krawlers are awesome looking. They are a mud tire as well right? Has anyone owned them?
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The Krawler is liker the KM2's "big brother". It has reinforced sidewalls and a deeper and higher void tread. A family member who is addicted to rock crawling has them on his JK.

Similarly the the Claw is like the MTZ's big brother. All four tires are great tires but they are designed for different purposes. Aggressive tires look and perform great off road but you have be willing to live with their bad habits on the road.

If you are looking for the best performance in serious mud then you need a higher void ratio tread pattern like some the purpose built Super Swampers, IRC, Maxxis and Pit Bulls.
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I ran the MTZ on my LJ and loved them. They ride good, perform off road well and are relatively quiet compared to others. I'm running the trail grapplers on my 13 jk and they ride good and aren't that loud to me. I had the mud grapplers at one point on my LJ and it was a loud,rough ride. I've never been a fan of directional tires. Hope that helps.
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I ran the MTZ on my LJ and loved them. They ride good, perform off road well and are relatively quiet compared to others. I'm running the trail grapplers on my 13 jk and they ride good and aren't that loud to me. I had the mud grapplers at one point on my LJ and it was a loud,rough ride. I've never been a fan of directional tires. Hope that helps.
It's really helpful. Thank you.
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Had MTZs in 33, sold them and got MTZs in 35...love them!
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Has anyone heard of pit bull tires?

http://www.pitbulltires.com/growler_radials.php
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Hey man, speaking on experience here. I put a 2.5 Tera Flex lift in my 2010 Sahara. Ran 35's using Mickey Thompson MTZ's. Twice. LOVED THEM.

I got over 40,000 miles both times. Handled great off road (when I was off road). Mainly pavement driving and highway miles on my everyday vehicle. Some slippage here and there on wet pavement BUT only when I was being foolish. They're fine. Place that put my lift /rims/tires on suggested MTZ's over the Claw strictly because of vibration and the quality of the ride you'd get. I wasn't let down. Love the MTZ's. As far as running them on pavement- In my personal opinion- I love the hum of a mud tire on pavement with the top down!

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