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Old 03-04-2013, 10:14 AM   #361
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I love a good baptism. Nice job!

Also, your seats came out awesome. Wish I had a Recliner like that in my Living Room.
Lol thanks man! It was definitely a baptism.

Thanks again for your help with the logo. I couldn't be happier.

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For a beginner off-roader would a winch be best or should I get something economical such as a Hi-Lift jack?

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For a beginner off-roader would a winch be best or should I get something economical such as a Hi-Lift jack?
You need both if you're going to be serious. I would recommend driving it as is and going out with groups. Use those experiences to see what you want to do with your rig and then pay once for what you need. Generally speaking, a Hi-lift is required gear for wheeling with a club. A winch may or may not be required.
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You need both if you're going to be serious. I would recommend driving it as is and going out with groups. Use those experiences to see what you want to do with your rig and then pay once for what you need. Generally speaking, a Hi-lift is required gear for wheeling with a club. A winch may or may not be required.
Ah I gotcha. So maybe I'll just get a recovery kit to carry with me when I wheel with others until I figure out how serious I want to get.
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Ah I gotcha. So maybe I'll just get a recovery kit to carry with me when I wheel with others until I figure out how serious I want to get.
That's the cheapest and usually best investment. Find a local club. See what's required to tag along. They may require 33" tires. If so, see about a ride along so you can get an idea if rock crawling is going to be something you enjoy.

If you aren't into rock crawling, mudding, high speed off-roading or overland travel may be your style. All four require different approaches to modification. The JKU is capable of doing all of them at a high level even in stock form.

For the less adventures, there's always mall crawling too.

Find your preference and cater to it. You won't go wrong that way.
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That's the cheapest and usually best investment. Find a local club. See what's required to tag along. They may require 33" tires. If so, see about a ride along so you can get an idea if rock crawling is going to be something you enjoy.

If you aren't into rock crawling, mudding, high speed off-roading or overland travel may be your style. All four require different approaches to modification. The JKU is capable of doing all of them at a high level even in stock form.

For the less adventures, there's always mall crawling too.

Find your preference and cater to it. You won't go wrong that way.
Thanks for the advice, man!
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Ok.... I have had my Moab for 2 months now. Got the six speed with every option... I ordered the towing package and it showed 3.73 rear diff gearing. When I got mine it has 3.21 gears. The last 3 JKs I have owned all had 3.73s and I don't like the 3.21s. The dealer says "we'll you will get better fuel mileage with this set up." I didn't buy a 2.5 ton JK for mpg... I want to stick it I the mud and climb hills. The 3.21s suck. Ok... I'm done.
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Ok.... I have had my Moab for 2 months now. Got the six speed with every option... I ordered the towing package and it showed 3.73 rear diff gearing. When I got mine it has 3.21 gears. The last 3 JKs I have owned all had 3.73s and I don't like the 3.21s. The dealer says "we'll you will get better fuel mileage with this set up." I didn't buy a 2.5 ton JK for mpg... I want to stick it I the mud and climb hills. The 3.21s suck. Ok... I'm done.
If you ordered 3.73, then how did you get 3.21? I wouldn't accept that.

Owning 4 JKUs seems excessive...
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Ok.... I have had my Moab for 2 months now. Got the six speed with every option... I ordered the towing package and it showed 3.73 rear diff gearing. When I got mine it has 3.21 gears. The last 3 JKs I have owned all had 3.73s and I don't like the 3.21s. The dealer says "we'll you will get better fuel mileage with this set up." I didn't buy a 2.5 ton JK for mpg... I want to stick it I the mud and climb hills. The 3.21s suck. Ok... I'm done.

So you ordered it and it came with the wrong gears? Why did you accept it?
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Ok.... I have had my Moab for 2 months now. Got the six speed with every option... I ordered the towing package and it showed 3.73 rear diff gearing. When I got mine it has 3.21 gears. The last 3 JKs I have owned all had 3.73s and I don't like the 3.21s. The dealer says "we'll you will get better fuel mileage with this set up." I didn't buy a 2.5 ton JK for mpg... I want to stick it I the mud and climb hills. The 3.21s suck. Ok... I'm done.
Sounds like they ordered you the wrong towing package. The regular package for $295 just has the hitch and wiring. The Max Tow for $395 includes the hitch, wiring and 3.73 gears.
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That's the cheapest and usually best investment. Find a local club. See what's required to tag along. They may require 33" tires. If so, see about a ride along so you can get an idea if rock crawling is going to be something you enjoy.

If you aren't into rock crawling, mudding, high speed off-roading or overland travel may be your style. All four require different approaches to modification. The JKU is capable of doing all of them at a high level even in stock form.

For the less adventures, there's always mall crawling too.

Find your preference and cater to it. You won't go wrong that way.

Back in '04 when I got my TJ, There were a couple guys I worked with into Jeeps. I asked the first guy one of our designers, what should I do first. His response was a 4 inch lift and 33's and a winch. Thats what he had and on the 12+ years I've known him, he went wheeling a couple times. The other guy, He was a trail leader at Jamborees and a tech Guy at Camp Jeep.
Anyway, I asked the same question to him. His response and the advice I took was "Tow hooks, strap and a CB and exprience." I had stock 225's the first trip we went on, in the Winter, wife and two kids and a weekends worth of clothes in the TJ. We went everywhere that weekend everyone else went. We continued wheeling with that group and 7 months later I had a 2" BB and 31's and ran that setup until I sold it this past November.

The best advice was the cheapest route to go.
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Stump, just do it and remember stay safe and its always better to use the buddy system..
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Well after looking at my jeep for a few days with the stock tires I couldnt take it anymoe. I broke down and placed my an order for my first chunk of upgrades.Tthis is what my wife gets for calling my tires "wimpy"

305/70r17 goodyear MTR Kevlar tires
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I started second guessing my decision on the 34" tires last night. The leveling kit is just temperary and plan to move up to a 2.5" lift down the road. I also have the 3.73 gears but the more I read the more concered I get about my gearing. I guess if it comes down to it I will just have to regear later down the road. That reminds me I need to order the AEV Procal. Back to the wallet I go.
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I admire you jumping in with both feet! I just took the Jeep plunge myself last month. One piece of advice I can and will offer anyone: Resarch, research, research.

There are several things I would have done differently already and I have not really done many mods to my Moab at all. Even the order I have done the changes in could have been thought out better.

I should write a post about a NON-mechanically-inclined first time Jeep owner and the processes I have gone thru. Not that anyone would be interested but it might help some poor schmuck down the road.
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Artax, I went with the 34" Kevlar MTs as well but did a 3.25 on my lift.
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I admire you jumping in with both feet! I just took the Jeep plunge myself last month. One piece of advice I can and will offer anyone: Resarch, research, research.

There are several things I would have done differently already and I have not really done many mods to my Moab at all. Even the order I have done the changes in could have been thought out better.

I should write a post about a NON-mechanically-inclined first time Jeep owner and the processes I have gone thru. Not that anyone would be interested but it might help some poor schmuck down the road.
Thanks, I do alot of research before I pull the trigger most of the time. I like to see what I want the end result to be and build in steps without having to rebuy if at all possible. In my case I know full well the leveling kit will get replaced but its a cheap fix to get the tires on for now. The shocks will move on with the next step.

I am also a first time Jeep owner and know I wont be doing any major rock crawling in the near future. Maybe some light trails and some outdoor fun. But I am also an Engineer and design and build things for a living. I can't leave anything stock. Hell I even modify my kids powerwheels vehicles. I have been down this rode with other vehicles and have the tools and garage setup for wrenching.

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Artax, I went with the 34" Kevlar MTs as well but did a 3.25 on my lift.
I guess I am not the only one. I will see how it drives and go from there. I think in the end I will be happier going with the 34 over the 33. I also live in an area without alot of hills so daily driving shouldnt be too bad.
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the 33.78s are supposed to not kill your gas mileage like the 35 and up plus they give you a bad ass look and stance.

Pipper, what did you pay ofr yours and did you keep the rims? My issue is I love the rims and wanted to keep them so I was limited on the tires I wanted but the MTs Kevlar have a wicked pattern and are flush so that reduces the noice and carry load.
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the 33.78s are supposed to not kill your gas mileage like the 35 and up plus they give you a bad ass look and stance.

Pipper, what did you pay ofr yours and did you keep the rims? My issue is I love the rims and wanted to keep them so I was limited on the tires I wanted but the MTs Kevlar have a wicked pattern and are flush so that reduces the noice and carry load.
I am not quite as concerned about gas mileage, I just dont want all my power to be completely killed. I am going to try and keep my hopes up the look will overcome any downsides.

I am also keeping my stock rims as I really like the look of them in black. I just see no reason for me to get rid of them if I like the way they look.

I called up the local goodyear and they quoted me $1950 installled for all 5 tires on the stock rims. Then got on tire rack and they come out to $1745 shipped. Looked up the recommended installers on tire rack and what do you know, the goodyear I just called was on the list and was one of the cheaper installers. It came out to almost $100 savings to order through tire rack and have them install. So I called them up goodyear and asked if they would install them from tire rack and they said they would beat tire rack and came back with a price of $1745 installed with lifetime ballance and rotation. This place is like half mile from my house and have used them in the past for my wifes duratracs on her tacoma. Good guys and always a pleasure to deal with so I jumped on thier offer and ordered. The sad thing is I already talked to them today and the tires are already sitting over there. But have to wait for my leveling kit and spacers before I can get them installed.
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I'm looking forward to seeing your setup and a review on the performance with the 34's. I do alot of highway driving so I'm probably sticking with 33's but love the looks of the 35's.
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I have to admit that JKs look really good with a full set of 33-35 inch tires! That said, I have no issue with my tires or lift. The "overland" look of a JKU Moab with color matching hardtop is great IMO. Basically, I've got a vehicle that is way more BA than a land rover could ever be and it's convertible!

When I find an obstacle that I can't cross with my stock suspension and tires, I'll upgrade. Until then, I'm going to maximize my chance for success with OBA and quick discos and maximize my chance for recovery with a winch and the proper recovery gear. I'll push my Jeep to the max and see where it takes me! My guess is I'll go as far as I am willing to push a $40K ride.
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Tons of snow here in northern Indiana and my Moab is awesome!!!! I am so glad I got a Jeep. This is the first real snow I've seen since buying it and I don't wamt to stop driving it.
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Ah I gotcha. So maybe I'll just get a recovery kit to carry with me when I wheel with others until I figure out how serious I want to get.
Hrmm, be careful of the advice that's dished out here. I've never heard of needing a Hi-lift to be serious. Many that have them don't even use them.

The best way to figure out what you need, is to go with a good group and figure out what you're comfortable doing, and what you'll need as a result of that. Maybe larger tires is all you need, maybe not even that.

Regardless, a good group will guide you through the obstacles and if you're stuck, they will winch you out or use one of the several tools they have to get you free. If you find that you get stuck a lot, then maybe invest in a winch. Otherwise, start with minimal gear.
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Hrmm, be careful of the advice that's dished out here. I've never heard of needing a Hi-lift to be serious. Many that have them don't even use them.
There was a group not far from here that used to go mudding routinely. I was told that if I didn't have 35s and a hi lift, don't bother. Maybe they told me that because I was in a lightly modded Liberty (this was 8 years ago), but that's what they said. Either way, the point of my post was that you shouldn't spend a ton of money on mods until you know what you HAVE to have. Check what your local clubs require, then make the assessment.
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So if 6 jeeps go out and you are the only one without a high lift, I dont see them turning you away since everyone else has one. I dont think clubs have any requirement other then owning a jeep, its up to you where you take it.

A stock jeep can go most places, 33s give you what, .5 to 1" of more clearance and thats about it.
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Damn, I ran out and bought one so I could play with the cool kids...
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Speaking of jumping with both feet my shopping list today included the following:
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Those MOAB's look sick!!

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Speaking of jumping with both feet my shopping list today included the following:
RC 3.25 lift
Tail pipe extension
Quick disconnects (sway bar)
Control arms
Stablizer shock
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Very nice! Cant wait to see what she looks like.

Yesterday, while home with a sick child I was browsing the forum some more. Found some threads on the stock coil springs, went to garage and checked and my springs are 15/56. After doing a bit more digging I was on ebay ordering a take off set of 18/59's. Only a three step jump but I figure with the leveling kit I may get just a hair more lift without going too overboard. Teraflex site says the leveling kit allows for 305/70r17 to fit but the more a dug the more I was hearing otherwise. Hoping this little bit more height will help in that regard. Also ordered a AEV procal, grade 8 hardware kit from Northridge, and the teraflex axhaust extensions. Now lets hope I dont start hearing it from the wife.
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Ha Ha, Artax my gf supports my habit and actually gave me HER credit card....

Well IAMJEEP told me that she is just around the bend so hoping she will be in Houston tonight or early am. Needs to be here by Friday so I can put all the new stuff on her. Is it sad that we drop 40K on a JEEP just to take off parts and add (new) ones..
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There was a group not far from here that used to go mudding routinely. I was told that if I didn't have 35s and a hi lift, don't bother. Maybe they told me that because I was in a lightly modded Liberty (this was 8 years ago), but that's what they said. Either way, the point of my post was that you shouldn't spend a ton of money on mods until you know what you HAVE to have. Check what your local clubs require, then make the assessment.
Some people can just be dicks as well. I will agree with your latter point: Go out and ride, then figure it out for yourself. If all you do is read here, or on other forums, you'll end up believing you need to prep for a 6 month expedition before your Jeep is ready to hit a forest service trail.

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