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Old 03-18-2014, 07:55 PM   #1
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Moab's Jeep Safari Week..Going ?

Who is planning trek to Moab next month and what time frame. I plan leaving the Cincinnati area in time to arrive in Moab during the Safari. Any interest in forming an informal convoy?.

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I have been thinking about it, but I think at this late stage, it will be tough to get a room. Also, I have a magazine from my local 4x4 place about it, and it is rather expensive.

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I believe its about 50.00 per trail. When you look at Rubicon they charge 350 per person and 300 for each kid under 16 it sounds reasonable.
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Wow......I'm in the wrong business.
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Old 03-19-2014, 08:59 AM   #5
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I have a very flexible schedule so I may hold off arriving in Moab until after Apr 20. There currently are rooms available at Holiday Inn Express. I figure 3 days on the road from Cincy area.
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We will be arriving May 1st. Don't care for crowds!

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Ya know, I just started another thread on this, because I couldn't find an existing one. Probably should have looked a bit harder. We're leaving the Chicago area on 4/9, and planning on arriving on Saturday (4/12). We've padded the trip out there in case there are weather-related issues getting through the Rockies.
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I believe its about 50.00 per trail. When you look at Rubicon they charge 350 per person and 300 for each kid under 16 it sounds reasonable.
Damn that a lot of money for someone to teach you how to ride your jeep off road and the security of knowing you will get pulled out if stuck. Plus it seems like they ride in big groups so all that money and i'd assume not much one on one time. Whoever is leading these things is making a killing heh.
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Damn that a lot of money for someone to teach you how to ride your jeep off road and the security of knowing you will get pulled out if stuck. Plus it seems like they ride in big groups so all that money and i'd assume not much one on one time. Whoever is leading these things is making a killing heh.
Red Rock 4Wheelers run the Safari. I'd be surprised if they pay their trail leaders anything. The club is a "not-for-profit corporation." I'm sure they have a substantial overhead in putting on the Safari. I know there are land-use fees that must be paid to the BLM and the State of Utah. Last year, $12,000 was donated to local organizations. This year's 120-page, full-color Safari publication states that they also spend some of the proceeds on "legal fees to defend public use of public lands, archeological survey fees, marking and repair of trails...." and more.

I don't think many people are here to learn how to drive their jeeps. Most are here to do guided runs of Moab's legendary trails. I'd be willing to bet that there are more knowledgeable and experienced drivers than there are inexperienced drivers on any given trail. So those who do come to learn will have better than "one on one."

Do a little research before making assumptions and charging that someone is "making a killing."
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Do a little research before making assumptions and charging that someone is "making a killing."
The permit is $5 a day per jeep but they are charging $50 per day. The website does state that the trail leaders aren't getting paid but also doesn't say the money is being donated to anything. Where is the rest of the money going (club fees?). So if i'm not really learning anything about off roading and not really donating to anything but paying club fees so what am I getting out of this other then sitting in a line waiting to crawl a rock?
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We will be in the area on the 18'th for a Dirt Riot race on Saturday. I might make it over and see some of the Jeep Safari stuff but I think everyone will be packing up by then. If y'all are in the area y'all should come check out the race on Saturday, it will blow your mind what these 4400 cars do.

We are also staying through the next week to wheel in the area and have a few houses rented to stay in.
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The permit is $5 a day per jeep but they are charging $50 per day. The website does state that the trail leaders aren't getting paid but also doesn't say the money is being donated to anything. Where is the rest of the money going (club fees?). So if i'm not really learning anything about off roading and not really donating to anything but paying club fees so what am I getting out of this other then sitting in a line waiting to crawl a rock?

Maybe you should have someone explain "not for profit" to you. No one is skimming or scamming anyone out of a single dime. The money goes to causes which you should support. If you don't understand what thousands of Jeepers get out of the most popular Jeeping event in the country, held in the best Jeeping location in the country, then keep your 50 bucks in your wallet and enjoy Jeeping Philadelphia. If people thought they were being overcharged, I'm sure Moab would be deserted at Safari time. While I stay off the trails during Jeep Safari, the Safari is truly a "happening" that every Jeep aficionado should experience at least once. My favorite part of the Safari is just checking out the countless amazing vehicles in town and the massive indoor/outdoor vendor display at the arena.

Something new this year...the official Chrysler display will not be in the usual place. It will be several blocks to the north and on the other side of the road...if the City Council approved the site plan at their meeting last week. It will be interesting to see what concept vehicles they bring this year.

Back on topic, those who are coming, if you see me in town, say Hi. The jeep is kinda hard to miss with a 30" light bar on a winchless Poison Spider bumper...and Sheriff's Search and Rescue decals on the side. I've lived here for 40 years and can probably answer a few of your questions about the area.
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Something Moabite didn't mention, the RAFFLE TICKET!!!!

I have won a lot of stuff from that raffle over the past 14or so years.

And crazy about the Jeep move too.
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I wish I could go. Living in GA has it's benefits...this is not one of them. Plus finding someone to go all that way with is near impossible.
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Can someone give me an idea of what to expect as far as the weather goes.
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I can't believe you guys travel so far to come to Moab it's really amazing to me, but I guess I take it for granted only living a couple hours away. Never been out on the big weekends out there though.
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As a backpacker who visits southern Utah twice a year (can't ever get enough of that place) but who has never owned a Wrangler (until 6-8 weeks from now! ), I have found myself in Moab inadvertently during Safari. Had to go elsewhere to get a room, and it was a long drive after coming out of a long loop hike.

I'll be out again next week, 27th through 6th. Sure hope I'm ahead of the crowds! Especially since I won't have my Wrangler yet and would just be jealous. Maybe I'll rent one.

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Can someone give me an idea of what to expect as far as the weather goes.
Honestly a little bit of everything, still at that time of the year. Days will be (in general amazing) bring sun block. Nights will get chilly. Swing by the Moab Diner and buy a shirt, don't wait until the end of the week. A lot of cool companies sponsor this and money goes to keeping trails open in Moab.
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Overnights could still be in the twenties during the first week of April, but will warm up gradually each week.
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Next Safari I am going to. This one I will have to live vicariously through.
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Honestly a little bit of everything, still at that time of the year. Days will be (in general amazing) bring sun block. Nights will get chilly. Swing by the Moab Diner and buy a shirt, don't wait until the end of the week. A lot of cool companies sponsor this and money goes to keeping trails open in Moab.
I doubt there will be much left when we get there since we will be arriving on Friday and racing on Saturday. I have I feeling everything will have done died down and we wont see much.
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The permit is $5 a day per jeep but they are charging $50 per day. The website does state that the trail leaders aren't getting paid but also doesn't say the money is being donated to anything. Where is the rest of the money going (club fees?). So if i'm not really learning anything about off roading and not really donating to anything but paying club fees so what am I getting out of this other then sitting in a line waiting to crawl a rock?
Get on their website and order the "magazine"(it's free) . I was under the same impressions. But after reading what they had to say and doing additional research I would be proud to become a member. They help other states with their fights to keep land/trails open for the public to use. My grandfather bought an old CJ5 so that he could visit the trails of his youth since he could no longer do it on foot. What's the point of buying a jeep if you have no place to enjoy it. I don't consider the local mall parking lot the intended purpose of a jeep.
With that said, there are a limited number of spaces open for each run and once they are filled that's it. They also check your vehicle to make sure you have the ability to finish the trail. I appreciate that. I wouldn't want to have a fun outing turn into something miserable for everyone else.
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We will be in the area on the 18'th for a Dirt Riot race on Saturday. I might make it over and see some of the Jeep Safari stuff but I think everyone will be packing up by then. If y'all are in the area y'all should come check out the race on Saturday, it will blow your mind what these 4400 cars do.

We are also staying through the next week to wheel in the area and have a few houses rented to stay in.
They run until the 20th and Saturday the 19th is "BIG SATURDAY" with a ton of things to do.
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They run until the 20th and Saturday the 19th is "BIG SATURDAY" with a ton of things to do.
Good to know. Ill have to swing into town and check it out when we get finished Saturday.
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Good to know. Ill have to swing into town and check it out when we get finished Saturday.
I forgot you race too!!! (Matt DynoMax)

Yeah Saturday is still pretty busy but has died down a lot.
It is nice actually.
I used to hang around Saturday and leave Sunday... but then kids and Easter.
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So now its Matt from DynoMax and Rancho.

Lol I just work on em and drink beer after wards, can't aford to race. Not in 4400 at least, and this is the only dirt riot race that falls on my days off this year so I scraped the plans of building the truck I have tore down for trailmod. Oh well maybe next year.

Eather way I sure am looking forward to finally geting up to Moab and possibly catching the tail end of Easter Jeep. That is if I dont spend all Friday night replacing a transmission or something.
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Ha!!

Yeah some know me as both. I am lucky to "know" a lot about both brands/areas. I am breaking down wheels/tires for beadlocks now. Joy!

First time out there? Get on Moab Rim and Hell's Revenge!

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So now its Matt from DynoMax and Rancho.

Lol I just work on em and drink beer after wards, can't aford to race. Not in 4400 at least, and this is the only dirt riot race that falls on my days off this year so I scraped the plans of building the truck I have tore down for trailmod. Oh well maybe next year.

Eather way I sure am looking forward to finally geting up to Moab and possibly catching the tail end of Easter Jeep. That is if I dont spend all Friday night replacing a transmission or something.
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Can someone give me an idea of what to expect as far as the weather goes.

If I were to hazard a guess for mid-April, I would say daytime temps in the 70s to 80s...nights in the 40s...abundant sunshine. But you also need to prepare for colder and wetter. I've seen substantial snow in the Moab Valley during the Safari, but I think that was when Easter was earlier.

I checked my weather station records for past Aprils to come up with those figures. I'm 26 miles outside of town and 2000 feet higher, so I added the usual 10 degrees to my temps to get Moab's.

For current weather, check out Weather Underground (www.wunderground.com) and type in the 84532 zip code. You can choose one of several stations. A few are in the Moab Valley...mine is the Castleton station (KUTCASTL1). My station features a netcam that wunderground updates sporadically...even though my website updates the cam every minute. The cam is just a few feet from my desk on an outside wall. Not a bad view...if you like rocks. You can also access my station by typing KUTCASTL1 into the search bar at Weather Underground. Conditions are only current if I have the station software running...I don't keep it running 24/7.

Another way to access the cam, and a couple of others in Moab, is by going to the National Weather Service website ( National Weather Service - NWS Salt Lake City ) and scrolling down to the Southern Utah section. You can get a high-resolution image on that site by clicking below the cam thumbnail...and time-lapse animations of the last few hours. If you live in Utah, you may recognize the cam image. The Salt Lake TV stations use it almost daily in their weather forecasts.

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