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Old 03-08-2014, 02:21 PM   #1
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MOPAR Lift vs Aftermarket

Have a '12 Arctic JKU running Nitto Trail Grapplers 295/70/17's. I want to lift it 2.5" to 3". MOPAR makes a pretty sick 3" lift kit for $2,400, but I'm on the road 95% of the time, and in the summer on the beach.

Any advice on a quality lift kit that won't break the bank? The MOPAR kit seems to be more than I need.

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MOPAR sources their lift kits from various manufacturers such as Superlift, Teraflex and AEV. From a technical perspective the only advantages are that you "may" get a better warranty or less hassle with your Jeep warranty and some the shocks may be tuned as in the case of the Stage3.

The price is almost always higher than equivalent lifts from aftermarket manufacturers. There are so many great lift kits on the market, that from a financial perspective the only reason to buy the MOPAR lift is because the dealer will install it on a new Jeep and include it in the financing.

You are on the right track with max lift size. IMO, stick with one of the 2.5" lift kits from TF, RK, AEV or MC. You will get equal or better quality than the MOPAR kit for a lower price. For 95% road driving the AEV is a great choice because it has the best road manners but if that 5% includes any technical rock crawling go with the RK or MC. For good all around performance consider the TF.

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Spoke to my dealer (my friend owns it so I know I'm getting the real deal advice),and it's their option what they cover or not. He said MOPAR or aftermarket, doesn't matter. So, I did some research and I think I'm going to do a 3" Rancho Trail Lift and upgrade the shocks to the RS5000. Rancho has a rebate now up to $400, so that is cool. For $1,200 for all the equipment, that sounds great, minus the rebate. Can't go wrong??
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It is great if Rancho fits your needs and your budget but consider upgrading to the 9000XL shocks. They are 9-way adjustable and owners lover their performance.

I have always suspected dealers have a considerable flexibility when it comes to claims. Your input is a good reference point.
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I was thinking the same, but I'll never get out and adjust, 95% road, 5% sand/beach. I'll take the savings, plus the rebate, and pick up the Rancho Rails...replace my stock running boards. Also calling Rigid Lighting, see what they have.
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I was thinking the same, but I'll never get out and adjust, 95% road, 5% sand/beach. I'll take the savings, plus the rebate, and pick up the Rancho Rails...replace my stock running boards. Also calling Rigid Lighting, see what they have.
Get the RS9000's and set them on a low number for a daily driver. The benefit is the ability to adjust the dampening to your liking. Don't scrimp on the shocks if you want a nice road-worthy ride. The rails aren't needed if you're not going off road.

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9000's. You may not plan on getting out and adjusting, but you have that option. With non-adjustables, you get what you get, like it or not. You may find them too rough or too soft. At least with the 9000's, you can set it to your liking and then leave it at that.
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I have the rancho 7000 mt's and love them.
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Mopar Stage III

I know the Mopar Stage III is expensive (my dealership worked out a great deal with me on them), but I have had other lifts on my other Jeeps and by far this one is the best I have had IMHO. It drives better on and off the road than it did when it was stock. The Fox Shocks and Bump Stops work great. When everyone is lowering the PSI in their tires for a better ride off road, I leave mine at 32 PSI. The ride is incredible. I am running 35's KM2s.
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M998DNA is right. You don't need to go under the Jeep once a week or even use the remote control to take advantage of the variable settings. Unlike other shocks where you have to live with what you get including a stiffer ride when the shocks are new. With the Ranchos you can pick the setting that you like and leave it there. It's actually an easy way to get used to stiffer shocks in baby steps. Today you are thinking just about the beach but tomorrow you may find a pile of rocks you just can't resist.
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Gave it some thought...totally agree. Will go for the better shock...only $100 more after rebate. The 3" lift with fox shocks is dope. External reservoir etc. But that is pretty costly.
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Gave it some thought...totally agree. Will go for the better shock...only $100 more after rebate. The 3" lift with fox shocks is dope. External reservoir etc. But that is pretty costly.
Plus it doesn't include everything you need... for example the adjustable track bar. If you go over 2.5" that's when it starts to need other things that aren't included in some of these kits - Caveat emptor.

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I know the Mopar Stage III is expensive (my dealership worked out a great deal with me on them), but I have had other lifts on my other Jeeps and by far this one is the best I have had IMHO. It drives better on and off the road than it did when it was stock. The Fox Shocks and Bump Stops work great. When everyone is lowering the PSI in their tires for a better ride off road, I leave mine at 32 PSI. The ride is incredible. I am running 35's KM2s.
X2 about being a great lift. I went with the Stage III specifically because of the rubber bushing fixed length control arms. I used just about everybody else's flexy joint adjustable control arms on my TJ over 200K miles with less than stellar reliability results. The Mopar lift is stable, quiet, and performs very well on the trail, and better than stock in my opinion on the street. The rubber bushing control arms will provide outstanding reliability for a daily driver. I'm on road about 50% I suppose, and have 30K on my lift with absolutely no issues running 35" KM2s.

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I'm a huge fan of the stage 3 lift from Mopar, it fits my needs perfectly which include daily driver with off roading 10 or so times a year.



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I'm also a fan of the stage 3. I had the dealership do the install before I even drove my JKURX off the lot. I would guess that at least half of the cost of the lift is the Fox reservoir shocks and Teraflex speed bumps. I added a Teraflex Monster front track bar that I bought off ebay for under $250.

Is it overkill for what I use it for now? Yes.
Do I care? No, because it's exactly how I want my rig to look and I know that once I do start more off-roading with it that it will do what I want.
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Add another to the "Extremely Happy Mopar Stage III" crew.

I have about 3K miles on it now and I have had the same experience as others. Better on road behavior then stock Rubicon, very comfortable drive on both paved roads and gravel, and my one trip to some very light off roading which was just dirt, ruts, mid, uneven surfaces I was driving MUCH faster without feeling like I was going to bounce the Jeep to death.

While it was nearly $2K with the adjustable front Teraflex track bar I am extremely happy I went with this lift for it's performance as well as it's low maintenance and expected long useable lifespan for a 95% DD and 5-10% off road Jeep.This summer I am heading to Rausch Creek so that will be a test for it.
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Gave it some thought...totally agree. Will go for the better shock...only $100 more after rebate. The 3" lift with fox shocks is dope. External reservoir etc. But that is pretty costly.
I see the Mopar 3" bandwagon found your thread...

I have a 5.25" lift on my other Jeep. Remember, the higher you go the more difficult it is to get in and out of your Jeep. This means you need to think about others... like your wife, mother, grandmother or whoever you'll be driving around will need to be able to climb into your lifted Jeep.

I bought a new 2005 Power Wagon and got rid of it for that very reason.

My GF told me do not lift my new JKUR... she can barely get into my older Jeep and my elderly mother has difficulty because she had a stroke and can't climb into it safely - even with a step stool.

So depending on your situation, think about the big picture... if you have a second vehicle it's no big deal. My second and third vehicles keep me from lifting my JKUR - but it really doesn't need it because it has a factory lift that will take me anywhere I plan to go.

My 10A just needs a few tweaks here and there to make it look cool - which is why most of these guys are lifting their Jeeps. I would bet a weeks pay this is their first Jeep.

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I see the Mopar 3" bandwagon found your thread...

I have a 5.25" lift on my other Jeep. Remember, the higher you go the more difficult it is to get in and out of your Jeep. This means you need to think about others... like your wife, mother, grandmother or whoever you'll be driving around will need to be able to climb into your lifted Jeep.

I bought a new 2005 Power Wagon and got rid of it for that very reason.

My GF told me do not lift my new JKUR... she can barely get into my older Jeep and my elderly mother has difficulty because she had a stroke and can't climb into it safely - even with a step stool.

So depending on your situation, think about the big picture... if you have a second vehicle it's no big deal. My second and third vehicles keep me from lifting my JKUR - but it really doesn't need it because it has a factory lift that will take me anywhere I plan to go.

My 10A just needs a few tweaks here and there to make it look cool - which is why most of these guys are lifting their Jeeps. I would bet a weeks pay this is their first Jeep.

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I guess I'm part of the "bandwagon" you speak of, couldn't possibly be that we are just a few really happy Jeep owners who made the same choice on lift and are really pleased about it.

I'm going out on a limb here but if he is from NYC then having 3 vehicles to himself is pretty unlikely so maybe he wants to lift his only vehicle which unlike our 10A's doesn't have a factory 1/2" lift.
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I see the Mopar 3" bandwagon found your thread... I have a 5.25" lift on my other Jeep. Remember, the higher you go the more difficult it is to get in and out of your Jeep. This means you need to think about others... like your wife, mother, grandmother or whoever you'll be driving around will need to be able to climb into your lifted Jeep. I bought a new 2005 Power Wagon and got rid of it for that very reason. My GF told me do not lift my new JKUR... she can barely get into my older Jeep and my elderly mother has difficulty because she had a stroke and can't climb into it safely - even with a step stool. So depending on your situation, think about the big picture... if you have a second vehicle it's no big deal. My second and third vehicles keep me from lifting my JKUR - but it really doesn't need it because it has a factory lift that will take me anywhere I plan to go. My 10A just needs a few tweaks here and there to make it look cool - which is why most of these guys are lifting their Jeeps. I would bet a weeks pay this is their first Jeep. .02 .
I agree about the height of the vehicle. Pretty much everyone who gets in it comments about it in one way or another. I would never take my Grandma anywhere in it, we would use our Envoy for that. My daughters are both school aged and get in with effort and have to use the rock rail.

I'll take your bet on a week's pay, this is my second Wrangler. First was a 2001 Sport with a D44 rear, 2.5 inch Skyjacker lift, and 33s. I sold that, was going to buy an LJ Rubicon, then started looking at used 4 doors, and realized that the $$$$ that 12s and 13s were going for I might as well get a new one.
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Bandwagon or not, I appreciate this thread. I'm pretty well decided on the 2" Mopar Stage 1 lift and here's why:

I don't need massive lift- I am 99.9% onroad DD, but if I want to hit a trail I know I'm able.
I plan to run 33's on 18's. No thank you to 35's, I'm ok. Auto, 3.73, Sahara
I don't want to spend massive amounts correcting geometry when there's so many other cool things I can buy!
I'm short, my partner is short. Lord knows, it's hard enough to haul my short fat ass up. Thank God for GraBars- I can probably get away with 2", but she will really notice anything taller!
And my dealer gave me what I think is a great price (approx 1500) installed with a lifetime warranty.

Have I missed anything? Anything else I should consider before pulling the trigger?
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Don't let the negative people bring you down. Decide how you will use it and then build your Jeep accordingly.

This will be my wife's DD and my weekend toy. SHE wanted 37's, so we'll have to go high enough to fit them. I chose the Mopar III because it will give me the road manors I need when DD and when towing. Off road is only once a month or so, so I don't need the most flexy kit around. I'll add flat fenders, check clearance, trim and add a 1" BL if needed. I'll drive it that way until things start to wear out then replace them with upgraded parts as needed.

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Bandwagon or not, I appreciate this thread. I'm pretty well decided on the 2" Mopar Stage 1 lift and here's why:

I don't need massive lift- I am 99.9% onroad DD, but if I want to hit a trail I know I'm able.
I plan to run 33's on 18's. No thank you to 35's, I'm ok. Auto, 3.73, Sahara
I don't want to spend massive amounts correcting geometry when there's so many other cool things I can buy!
I'm short, my partner is short. Lord knows, it's hard enough to haul my short fat ass up. Thank God for GraBars- I can probably get away with 2", but she will really notice anything taller!
And my dealer gave me what I think is a great price (approx 1500) installed with a lifetime warranty.

Have I missed anything? Anything else I should consider before pulling the trigger?
Buy an adjustable track bar... other than that,

2" or 2.5" lift with 33's is just right... Mopar, Rancho, Rubicon Express, TeraFlex... whatever. You also need to remember they don't always net as advertised.

Some may net out as a taller lift... also need to factor the increase in tire diameter will add to the equation.

My 10A is about 2" if you measure from a stock Wrangler as the baseline.

Here's a photo of a 2" or 2.5" Rubicon Express lift with 33's...

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Buy an adjustable track bar... other than that,

2" or 2.5" lift with 33's is just right... Mopar, Rancho, Rubicon Express, TeraFlex... whatever. You also need to remember they don't always net as advertised.

Some may net out as a taller lift... also need to factor the increase in tire diameter will add to the equation.

My 10A is about 2" if you measure from a stock Wrangler as the baseline.

Here's a photo of a 2" or 2.5" Rubicon Express lift with 33's...

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At 2" the front track will be off center less then a quarter inch, why recommend unnecessary parts? To me 3" and 35's is "just right."

No need to waste money on an adjustable track bar.
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Don't let the negative people bring you down. Decide how you will use it and then build your Jeep accordingly.

This will be my wife's DD and my weekend toy. SHE wanted 37's, so we'll have to go high enough to fit them. I chose the Mopar III because it will give me the road manors I need when DD and when towing. Off road is only once a month or so, so I don't need the most flexy kit around. I'll add flat fenders, check clearance, trim and add a 1" BL if needed. I'll drive it that way until things start to wear out then replace them with upgraded parts as needed.

This is not our first Jeep.
Initially I wasn't going to respond to your "negative" comment, but since you brought it up...

Maybe you can explain to these folks that are asking for advice what it takes to install 37" tires. The OP was concerned about cost...

Maybe explain what wheel spacers are for, why they are needed and how much they cost. Or, if they don't buy wheel spacers how much $$$ they should set aside for aftermarket wheels.

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Because the axle will be off center... remind me to NEVER allow you to work on my vehicles.

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Yeah that's what "front track" means. It will be off by 1/4" or less and will not affect steering dynamics, vehicle handling, nor tire wear. I'm not interested in your vehicles, plural. No need for the all the hostility when someone provides backup for disagreeing with your "opinions."
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Initially I wasn't going to respond to your "negative" comment, but since you brought it up...

Maybe you can explain to these folks that are asking for advice what it takes to install 37" tires. The OP was concerned about cost...

Maybe explain what wheel spacers are for, why they are needed and how much they cost. Or, if they don't buy wheel spacers how much $$$ they should set aside for aftermarket wheels.

Thanks.

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Whoa there, I see only one negative person in this thread and Mr. Blue sound did in fact explain what he was doing to fit 37's... 3" lift, trimmed fenders, check clearance and add a 1" body lift.... where did wheel spacers come from or how aftermarket wheels come into play on this topic? Granted it didn't seem to germane to the thread but why attack that guy for pointing out how some people have to put down anyone that doesn't think like them?

Hell I was concerned about cost too and was sticker shocked by the cost of the Mopar lift. After dozens of hours crunching numbers and reading every possible review or commentary on the lift I felt it was best suited to my needs and wants.
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Yeah that's what "front track" means. It will be off by 1/4" or less and will not affect steering dynamics, vehicle handling, nor tire wear. I'm not interested in your vehicles, plural. No need for the all the hostility when someone provides backup for disagreeing with your "opinions."
Oh.. Thanks for the definition. I think I learned something today.

Post disclaimer: No hostility intended in any of my comments, just presenting the facts.

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Let's cut the BS and stay on topic please

THIS thread was written to help people new to lifting, and what to expect
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Let's cut the BS and stay on topic please

THIS thread was written to help people new to lifting, and what to expect
You can probably close the thread now....



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