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Old 06-19-2012, 10:04 AM   #1
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Mopar vs Teraflex

Alright I've been thinking about this for a little over a week, and I've decided to see what you guys think on this subject.

Harley has a 3" Teraflex w/ Mickey T Baja MTZ's.
Ivy has a 4" Mopar w/ BFG KM2's

We took them to Chimney Rock a little over a week ago. Both performed great, giving all the flex we need for the type of wheeling that we do. BUT, we noticed that Harley has a noticeably nicer ride than Ivy does when it comes to the serious bumps and jars.

Now Ivy came from the dealer lifted. She was the last 4 door Gecko in the state, I liked her, and instead of waiting several months for an order I grabbed her up. If it'd been my choice, she'd have a teraflex under her too, but alas, it is what it is.

I'd like your opinions though on what I can do with her suspension to give a ride a bit closer to Harley's. My initial thoughts were shocks, but then I think it was ESP that said he thought his ride got better when he switched out his KM2's for the Mickey T's. (If it's tires, I'm just gonna live with it till I wear these out.) Hubby thinks it's springs. Maybe it's all 3.

What do you guys think? This isn't enough of an annoyance for me to be super concerned, but out of boredom, and for the sake of planning future purchases, I figured I'd ask for opinions here.

Edit: This is the kit that Ivy had installed when I bought her. And yes the dealer did upgrade the driveshafts. http://www.quadratec.com/products/16170_1005.htm

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Could be tires. What pressure are you running? A lot of people are running Km2 and like them. Also, Mopar lifts are rebranded aftermarket lifts, usually Rubicon Express, so IMO it isn't as quality as the Teraflex lift.

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The MTZ are gonna ride better. The main reason is the bigger gaps between less teeth on the KM2s. The MTZs have more treads and teeth and are closer together with less space. Even though there are more treads on the MTZs there is more rubber making contact with the road. This means less rolling resistance and a more smooth ride when driving on them. They would feel no different off road but on road I think you'll be able to tell.

I have no experience with anything Mopar but my 2010 has a TF 2.5 coil lift and TF 9550 shocks which is very comfortable and smooth for city driving. It has been great off road too. Handles dips and bumps in the road with pretty much just a good bounce not a "THUNK"! sound.
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Could be tires. What pressure are you running? A lot of people are running Km2 and like them. Also, Mopar lifts are rebranded aftermarket lifts, usually Rubicon Express, so IMO it isn't as quality as the Teraflex lift.

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Yea, that's why I'm considering swapping it out eventually. Overall I don't dislike my suspension, it's just that compared to our Teraflex, mine is a lot stiffer.

I'll have to ask him when he wakes up what pressure we were running that day. I've slept too many times since then. I remember we didn't air down as much as we normally would due to the nature of the particular trail we did involving about 12 miles of road that we didn't wanna drive with low psi. I also forgot Ivy has Nitrogen in her tires, which I'm getting changed. I've just been too lazy to go do it.
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The MTZ are gonna ride better. The main reason is the bigger gaps between less teeth on the KM2s. The MTZs have more treads and teeth and are closer together with less space. Even though there are more treads on the MTZs there is more rubber making contact with the road. This means less rolling resistance and a more smooth ride when driving on them. They would feel no different off road but on road I think you'll be able to tell.

I have no experience with anything Mopar but my 2010 has a TF 2.5 coil lift and TF 9550 shocks which is very comfortable and smooth for city driving. It has been great off road too. Handles dips and bumps in the road with pretty much just a good bounce not a "THUNK"! sound.

You just nailed it. Mine has the "THUNK" sound. So I'm trying to figure out if I need to swap out both shocks and springs to get more like what the Teraflex one is doing.

I'm not worried about how it rides on the road too much. It's mostly the "THUNK" throwing me around a bit when I get gutsy and start crawling over things I probably shouldn't.
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Honesty, there are so many things different between these two jeeps and kits and the way someone installed it.

the first thing I would ask is:

what does ivy have that harley doesn't? obviously the tires...

what suspension components differ from each of them.

what type of shocks are on both jeeps

what type of coils are on both jeeps

how do both jeeps compare specifically in alignment details

tire psi and the different type of tire are also factors
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All this ^ too. Less air means more bounce in those meats. I run my 33s at 33 psi though which some will say is too high but it's comfortable enough to my liking and I'm getting a litter better eco as well.
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Honesty, there are so many things different between these two jeeps and kits and the way someone installed it.

the first thing I would ask is:

what does ivy have that harley doesn't? obviously the tires...

what suspension components differ from each of them.

what type of shocks are on both jeeps

what type of coils are on both jeeps

how do both jeeps compare specifically in alignment details

tire psi and the different type of tire are also factors

The shocks on Harley aren't anything special. Just the Desert Rattler ones from Desert Rat. (We went with what we could get at the time with intentions of upgrading them in a couple months.) I have no idea who makes the "performance shocks" for my kit, which is annoying me.

I know the springs are different, which I'm thinking may just be stiffer which I can remedy rather easily.

But you just made me wonder about something else. Harley is a Rubicon. Ivy is a Sport. Meaning sway bar disconnects are different. Manually completely disconnecting mine, vs his electronically disconnecting but something still being attached there regardless. Think that would make a difference? I'm planning to purchase the electronic disconnect eventually anyway just for convenience, but never really thought about whether there was difference in handling off-road between the two.
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hmm, electronic disconnect versus manual connections wouldn't be much of a difference. not nearly as much as the type of spring difference and spring rates.

can you link the teraflex lift that hubby installed?
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I don't think so regarding the electronics ones in his vs yours. As pluke said, it's going to be different from a variety of things including all he listed. Of course you can always upgrade to make yours better than his. I mean instead of just keeping up with the Jones you could also out do his rig.

Like you need more reasons to mod...
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you should probably get rid of "cam bolts" and go with control arms as those will probably ride better and be much safer if you guys are wheeling quite a bit.

link his kit and i'll go over the differences, if you dont know them already.
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Teraflex 1151200 - TeraFlex 3" Lift Kit without Shocks for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

Here's the one we put in his. I'm laughing about the price tags after looking mine up.

And trust me ESP, I'm getting pretty good at spending all his and my money coming up with more things to mod on these things.
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you should probably get rid of "cam bolts" and go with control arms as those will probably ride better and be much safer if you guys are wheeling quite a bit.

link his kit and i'll go over the differences, if you dont know them already.

Thanks, and note I'm not against just buying the Teraflex kit and replacing most of my components. It's just not something I'm going to be able to do for a little bit as I've sorta already dropped over 2k this month in em....
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Teraflex 1151200 - TeraFlex 3" Lift Kit without Shocks for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

Here's the one we put in his. I'm laughing about the price tags after looking mine up.

And trust me ESP, I'm getting pretty good at spending all his and my money coming up with more things to mod on these things.
wowa, it's quite surprising that the kit that has less components would make a better on road ride.

it's actually quite clear here that both kits don't come as complete, however, ivy's kit is far more complete.

spring difference could be a large factor here, but i think it's something else.



What it comes down to.....

your jeep has gone over the magic # of net lift resulting in poor on road handling. if you can deal with it, that's your call.

if i was in your situation, i would recall the alignment specs, chalk test the tires or even swap out your tires for hubby's tires because you can do - due process of elimination which a lot of people cant...

Alignment specifications, swap tires, chalk tires and results.

On the alignment, since we lift our jeeps and they are more modified than stock, a factory alignment calls out specific numbers for alignment, and if youre JK has stock alignment specifications with 35's and a 4-5" net lift, you're going to have major on road issues.
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wowa, it's quite surprising that the kit that has less components would make a better on road ride.

it's actually quite clear here that both kits don't come as complete, however, ivy's kit is far more complete.

spring difference could be a large factor here, but i think it's something else.

What it comes down to.....

your jeep has gone over the magic # of net lift resulting in poor on road handling. if you can deal with it, that's your call.

if i was in your situation, i would recall the alignment specs, chalk test the tires or even swap out your tires for hubby's tires because you can do - due process of elimination which a lot of people cant...

Alignment specifications, swap tires, chalk tires and results.

On the alignment, since we lift our jeeps and they are more modified than stock, a factory alignment calls out specific numbers for alignment, and if youre JK has stock alignment specifications with 35's and a 4-5" net lift, you're going to have major on road issues.
It's not the on road handling. That's actually about the same. Or at least the difference is pretty minor. But yea if I swap out the lift I'm going down to 3". 4" is overkill for what I need anyway.

I guess I should've worded better. I'm talking about the difference on the trail. This was noticeable once we got into the terrain where the rocks started getting the size of bowling balls and larger.
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Don't mean to feed the fire here but if your thinking of buying quick discos in the future for your rig and your also thinking of arms, your front shaft is gonna have some issues. Disco-ing out there as you might already know puts the shaft at a much greater angle causing more stress. If you are thinking about switching out your LCAs then this is gonna put it at a more sever angle when driving and wheeling additionally. Something to consider if you may still be running your stock drive shaft.

Ask pluke and kjeeper about this.
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wowa, it's quite surprising that the kit that has less components would make a better on road ride.

it's actually quite clear here that both kits don't come as complete, however, ivy's kit is far more complete.

spring difference could be a large factor here, but i think it's something else.

What it comes down to.....

your jeep has gone over the magic # of net lift resulting in poor on road handling. if you can deal with it, that's your call.

if i was in your situation, i would recall the alignment specs, chalk test the tires or even swap out your tires for hubby's tires because you can do - due process of elimination which a lot of people cant...

Alignment specifications, swap tires, chalk tires and results.

On the alignment, since we lift our jeeps and they are more modified than stock, a factory alignment calls out specific numbers for alignment, and if youre JK has stock alignment specifications with 35's and a 4-5" net lift, you're going to have major on road issues.
I am gonna try doing the tire swap idea though and eliminate that aspect at least. Good idea. I didn't think about that. Just gotta keep him from trying to keep my wheels after. Lol
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if you disconnect on the trail and air your tires down this will make a night and day difference.

almost as if, you had a temperpedic bed with a wine glass on top and you jump and it doesnt spill a drop.
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if you disconnect on the trail and air your tires down this will make a night and day difference.

almost as if, you had a temperpedic bed with a wine glass on top and you jump and it doesnt spill a drop.
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Bilsteins = thunk
9550's = thunk
Rancho 9000's set at 4/3 = nice

Shock choice is huge.
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if you disconnect on the trail and air your tires down this will make a night and day difference.

almost as if, you had a temperpedic bed with a wine glass on top and you jump and it doesnt spill a drop.

I guess that's a good analogy on the part I'm not getting. We disconnect and air them both down. His feels like that, mine doesn't. Mine feels like it's literally slamming my tire back to the ground after I crawl over something big. His seems to ease it down off the rock. (Well, moreso than mine anyway.)

I'm going to take them out this weekend with a video camera and tape em both going over the same obstacle up close. That way maybe I can see something easier than trying to evaluate this from behind the wheel.

He thinks I'm being too picky on this b/c the difference is so minor, but I'm OCD with my Jeep. I want it right, so I'm gonna figure out what to change if it kills me.
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Bilsteins = thunk
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Rancho 9000's set at 4/3 = nice

Shock choice is huge.

Thanks KJ, always nice to hear opinions like this on things I've got on our planned purchase list. I'll keep that in mind when I get ready to order shocks.
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Thanks KJ, always nice to hear opinions like this on things I've got on our planned purchase list. I'll keep that in mind when I get ready to order shocks.
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The thing is even if you get nicer shocks or coils etc it will be good for a while but thunk-in might return after wheeling and usage. Then it's right back to the start again.
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That's ok ESP. I'll have an excuse to upgrade something else then.
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This may seem silly to some, but here goes.

Get under your Jeep and look for any signs of contact between suspension parts and frame stuff. Missing paint, scuff marks, and rust are all good indicators.

I'm not kidding here when I tell you that the "pipe" ends that stick out of the frame behind the front sway bar were hitting the sway bar on both sides of the Jeep. I had to sawzall them off just past the welds and re-paint them. (This is on a stock Rubicon!)

I was looking under the front end and had noticed the sway bar missing paint on both sides in roughly the same location. I had the Mrs. watch as I jumped on the bumper and sure enough, they were hitting. The ride over speed bumps and dips in the road is 100% better now. The flex off-road has also improved.

I've heard of the rear sway bar links getting into the springs before.... you may want to look for scraped paint on the springs...
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^ Not silly, a great recommendation to check.
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