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Old 03-14-2011, 06:50 PM   #1
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More HP ?

Which aftermarket Mods work the best on the JK's, To get a little more HP Maybe a little better gas mileage also.

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None other than a ripp or a hemi swap.

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Wait 7 months and trade it in on a 2012.
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This question gets asked a good bit. My view is that there's three general categories . . . .

Category 1: Add a supercharger or do a Hemi swap. Nobody denies these generate loads more power. Also, if you happen to be using a weaker stock gearing (i.e., the 3.21) you could regear up to 4.56 (or higher if you've got bigger tires). This will generate more torque, though your RPMs will be higher at highway speeds and your gas mileage will suffer. Finally, you could trade-in your JK next year for a 2012, which will have a more powerful engine.

Category 2: A small but dedicated group will swear by some combination of an aftermarket air intake and certain aftermarket exhausts. Viper throttle bodies probably ought to be included as well. A larger group opposes these mods as either providing only the illusion of improved horsepower or just a flat out bad idea. However, my guess is that most of those that oppose would ultimately admit these mods have some (very) limited potential for benefit, but the costs (whether in actual dollars or physically on the engine) make them not worthwhile.

Category 3: An even smaller group would attest to throttle body spacers and computer chips. (Some chips do help auto transmissions by adjusting shift points, but that would not be helpful for your 6 speed.) These are generally viewed as paperweights from the horsepower perspective. Certain chips may potentially increase gas mileage, but, again, most believe that their costs make them not worth it.

So in sum, if you're looking for confirmed power gains, then it's a supercharger, hemi, regear, or a 2012. Otherwise, it's up to you to try whatever you believe will work--just don't be surprised if not everyone agrees when you describe your "results"!
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Category 2: A small but dedicated group will swear by some combination of an aftermarket air intake and certain aftermarket exhausts. Viper throttle bodies probably ought to be included as well. A larger group opposes these mods as either providing only the illusion of improved horsepower or just a flat out bad idea. However, my guess is that most of those that oppose would ultimately admit these mods have some (very) limited potential for benefit, but the costs (whether in actual dollars or physically on the engine) make them not worthwhile.
before my 07jKu i had a few sport compacts and it was always, intake header exhaust and first mods for a gain(and the gains were dyno proven)so i guess thats how i look into my jeep with power gains, so far i just have a AFE drop in air filter and an AFE throttle body spacer, is there a gain? yea i think there is but not much but i have noticed a difference in mpg on the highway, it seams everyone has there opinions when it come to power gains,
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it seams everyone has there opinions when it come to power gains,
That right there is the whole point. The "gains" are based on opinions as opposed to facts.
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It's not all smoke and mirrors. You can go to YouTube and see real dyno runs by afe with their intakes and exhaust. Superchips Flashpaq gives 10 hp but it's real benefit is for he automatics. Rippmods has long tube headers that give 15hp per their dyno. None of it will make it run like a blower or hemi but I've got 5.13 gears, flashpaq, exhaust and a k&n filter and it is waaaay better than stock even with 37's.
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airaid cold air intake makes a cool sound above 3000 rpm that makes my JK seem faster..lol
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This is the answer to "cool" sound.
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Which aftermarket Mods work the best on the JK's, To get a little more HP Maybe a little better gas mileage also.

Depends on what you're after when you say you want more power. If you want more peak horsepower then a supercharger for $5000, or a Hemi transplant for $20,000 will give you more peak power. If you want more power where you are actually using your Jeep at, and at the speed you are driving your Jeep at, then regearing the differentials will make a substantial difference.

Just as an example: 35" tires, auto trans, and 3.73 gears = 1900 RPM at 75 mph. A 3.8 liter JK engine makes 60 hp at 1900 RPM. By regearing to 5.13 gears, with the same tires, = 2600 RPM at 75 mph. A 3.8 liter JK engine makes 92 hp at 2600 RPM. That is a 50% increase in hp at cruising speed on the interstate.

And the JK with 35" tires that has 5.13 gears will get better gas mileage than a JK with 35" tires that still has the 3.73 gears, ... because it isn't downshifting to 3rd gear for the slightest puff of headwind, or to climb every freeway overpass it comes to.
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Wait 7 months and trade it in on a 2012.
How does that even remotely answer the original question? Heck, why not trade in for a BMW M3. It has more HP.

In the tech world there is a statement that has always held true... "It's all hype until it ships". Meaning talk is nothing more than talk until the product is shipped and actually live up to the hype. The 2012 is nothing more than hype until it is publicly proven.
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How does that even remotely answer the original question? Heck, why not trade in for a BMW M3. It has more HP.

In the tech world there is a statement that has always held true... "It's all hype until it ships". Meaning talk is nothing more than talk until the product is shipped and actually live up to the hype. The 2012 is nothing more than hype until it is publicly proven.
Except I said get a Jeep, not a BMW. Hype, really? It's proven fact that the Pentastar will be a significant boost in HP. I'd much rather have more HP from the factory than to start swapping out engines.
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Except I said get a Jeep, not a BMW. Hype, really? It's proven fact that the Pentastar will be a significant boost in HP. I'd much rather have more HP from the factory than to start swapping out engines.
What you fail to realize is that Popstop was referring to power at the wheels which is what counts for those of us who aren't mall crawlers.
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Except I said get a Jeep, not a BMW. Hype, really? It's proven fact that the Pentastar will be a significant boost in HP. I'd much rather have more HP from the factory than to start swapping out engines.
Except you forgot to read the part where the OP asked, "Which aftermarket mods...?"
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Oh c'mon guys. For most folks, trading in their current Jeep is at least as viable of an option as a Hemi swap, and we all recommended that as a possible answer to the OP's question. As to the "unproven" aspect of the new engine, sure we don't have the wheel numbers yet but, realistically, what are the odds it WON'T materially improve on the 3.8's numbers? Pretty slim I'd say.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Jeep (3.8 and all) and won't be trading in for a 2012 or any other year. But in answering the OP's question, his most practical choices for undisputed torque/power increases are either a regear (depending on what he has now), a 2012, or a supercharger. If he's not going with a 2012, he could also do all or a portion of the intake/throttle body/headers/exhaust stuff, and they may help him or they may not.
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Short wheelbase Jeeps have been underpowered since the demise of the 304 V8 back in the 1970s. Do you really think that 35 years worth of building gutless wonders is suddenly going to come to an end when Chrysler puts the 3.6 Pentastar in the JK next year? I don't think a short wheelbase Jeep with reasonable power will ever be produced from the factory.

The latest knews from alpar.com claims 260 hp from the Pentastar in the Wrangler platform. That is an extra 58 peak hp. But how much more hp does it produce at the RPM you are going to be driving at when on the interstate? If they still have the same too tall gearing that keeps engine RPM as low as it is on the current JK, then their may only be a 20 hp increase at that engine RPM.

It may very well turn out that regearing a 3.8 gives you more hp at highway speed than you will get from a 3.6 Pentastar that has stock gearing. Sorry, but I'm going to call this one early. I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed with the 3.6 Pentastar.
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I've long suffered the illusion I can get 'free HP and better MPG'....sadly, I've never happened across the combination that gives both at the same time.

I've seen the dyno readings improving HP. I haven't seen concurrent fuel consumption rates that show it's produced by that same mod.

Having survived the F head wonders of the CJ2 era, I've adapted to the power such as it is of the 3.8 and happily accept it for what it is.....as good as the factory can reliably produce with currant technology.

Sure I'm ready for more/better/greater economy for less money. Show me the model with factory warranty that reliably performs with minimal tinkering and I'll trade today.

Until then I'm still rejoicing in the massive upgrades in the JK over my last SWB CJ2 of decades long ago. By the way, if I recall accurately, I think mileage under best conditions then was around 15-16. Of course, at 25 cents/gallon it was considerably cheaper to fill up....and along with that cost, wages typically in the $1.25~1.75/hr to support the Jeeper habit left us seeking similar concerns for increased performance and lower operating costs.
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Short wheelbase Jeeps have been underpowered since the demise of the 304 V8 back in the 1970s. Do you really think that 35 years worth of building gutless wonders is suddenly going to come to an end when Chrysler puts the 3.6 Pentastar in the JK next year? I don't think a short wheelbase Jeep with reasonable power will ever be produced from the factory.
That's a good way to put it in perspective. I hadn't really considered that, though I'd expect they'll get it right SOMEDAY. Maybe not in 2012 though . . . .

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The latest knews from alpar.com claims 260 hp from the Pentastar in the Wrangler platform. That is an extra 58 peak hp. But how much more hp does it produce at the RPM you are going to be driving at when on the interstate? If they still have the same too tall gearing that keeps engine RPM as low as it is on the current JK, then their may only be a 20 hp increase at that engine RPM.
Goodness, what a failure this would be on Jeep's part. All the hype, the anticipation, etc. For what it's worth though, if somebody came out with a chip, intake, or whatever that spontanously added 20 hp at the wheels to the 3.8, folks would be all over it. The OP would likely be happy with 20 more hp at the wheels.

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It may very well turn out that regearing a 3.8 gives you more hp at highway speed than you will get from a 3.6 Pentastar that has stock gearing. Sorry, but I'm going to call this one early. I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed with the 3.6 Pentastar.
Bwahahaha! That would be hysterical. I would be sort of sad though, as I want people to be happy with their Jeeps and it'd be nice to see people stop bitchin'. Surely the geniuses at Chrysler would be bright enough to make sure the 3.6 actually does improve--however marginally--on the 3.8. If it doesn't, I say we all start speaking of the 3.8 in the reverential tones currently given the 4.0.

I will say that I would expect a supercharged 3.8 would put out a lot more power than the Pentastar would. I really don't understand why more of the I'm-trading-in-come-2012 crowd aren't considering that route. For $5k, I'd think it would really be the more economical choice for a lot of people. Put in a supercharger, ride it until the engine needs a rebuild, then swap in a hemi (or even another 3.8 if you can find it)--you would have forever taken the issue of being "underpowered" out of Chrysler's hands and could tinker/mod with the same Jeep for years and years.
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I would think a hair dryer would do alot to one considering my sisters 2011 is a complete turd compared to every other 4.0 jeep I have ever owned...much less a v8'd CJ. There is no way I would put all my eggs in the new engine basket considering the first year for everything in a new vehicle is subject for problems. But then again I am not a 3.8 fan at all, so I really dont have a dog in this fight
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Except I said get a Jeep, not a BMW. Hype, really? It's proven fact that the Pentastar will be a significant boost in HP. I'd much rather have more HP from the factory than to startand swapping out engines.
And the op asked how they could boost a JK. Not which jeep is "suppose" to have a better engine. And yes, its hype until people own it and can prove it on a personal level. Thus, its all hype until it ships. I don't know why that statement is so hard to get? You personally cannot provide any proof on a personal level because it hasn't shipped and you don't own it. That it why its hype until then. Get it? Geez I hope so.

And you answered by suggesting a new vehicle which was NOT what the OP asked, smart alec. So I in turn did the same thing... I was mocking you so-to-speak. Ha ha. Just try and be helpful when someone askes a question and not spew out pointless comments the do not help, nor answer, the original question. Okie dokie, broski? Ha ha.
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Well I have been lurking for months and think that it's about torque not horsepower. If you are trying to crawl over a rock, or bump a log and get over it, get out of a muddy rut, pull your boat out of the water, accelerate on an access ramp, or drive on an interstate . Producing high horsepower that comes in at 4500-5500 is Not needed in most of these and in fact leads to possible equipment damage due to the ability to have control is lessened at high rpm. The grunt of high torque is needed in most of these situations. How can we get it?
My suggestion(not a new one) that I think needs to be repeated until someone in the corporate office starts to take notice is a diesel( the VW touareg has a 3.0L TDI with 400+ foot pounds of torque from about 1800 rpms 225 hp and tows 7700 lb) we want one in a Wrangler!
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I will say that I would expect a supercharged 3.8 would put out a lot more power than the Pentastar would. I really don't understand why more of the I'm-trading-in-come-2012 crowd aren't considering that route. For $5k, I'd think it would really be the more economical choice for a lot of people. Put in a supercharger, ride it until the engine needs a rebuild, then swap in a hemi (or even another 3.8 if you can find it)--you would have forever taken the issue of being "underpowered" out of Chrysler's hands and could tinker/mod with the same Jeep for years and years.
^^this right here is the answer IMO.

Think about it! Most people have a note on their current JK. You take into consideration that Chrysler will most likely, with all the hype about the "Jesus Engine," increase the price of the JK. Then subtract the drive off and mileage costs associated with their current rig, mods that will either have to stay on (purchased again for new rig) and/or be removed and factory replacement stuff put back on before trade in, out right sale with payoff and profit applied towards new purchase, if any, longer payments of said new vehicle (loss of equity on current loan), etc. etc....

Waiting for the 2012 doesn't seem so affordable for peak HP gains in a unusable RPM range compared to the supercharger option.
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^^this right here is the answer IMO.

Think about it! Most people have a note on their current JK. You take into consideration that Chrysler will most likely, with all the hype about the "Jesus Engine," increase the price of the JK. Then subtract the drive off and mileage costs associated with their current rig, mods that will either have to stay on (purchased again for new rig) and/or be removed and factory replacement stuff put back on before trade in, out right sale with payoff and profit applied towards new purchase, if any, longer payments of said new vehicle (loss of equity on current loan), etc. etc....

Waiting for the 2012 doesn't seem so affordable for peak HP gains in a unusable RPM range compared to the supercharger option.
Exactly.

Frankly, but for the warranty concerns, one of the best things somebody looking for a "low cost" but powerful Wrangler could do may actually be to get a good deal on a 2011 when the 2012s come out, and then drop in a Ripp supercharger within a few thousand miles. The cost of the supercharger would be offset (somewhat) by the presumably "good deal" you got on the 2011.

Everything I've seen suggests that the Ripp package is fairly conservative and not terribly hard on the engine--Ripp reports no known engine failures and has a shop JK with 60k+ supercharged miles. Besides, even if it reduces engine life by 10% or even 20%, that would still get you into the 100k+ miles range. By that time, you could do a hemi swap instead of a trade-in anyway.
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What you fail to realize is that Popstop was referring to power at the wheels which is what counts for those of us who aren't mall crawlers.
So a significant increase in the HP of the engine won't result in more power to the wheels? Ok then.

My so called "mall crawler" will be a hell of a lot more capable in its stock form than your slug. See that's it, you're pissed off because you've had to spend a crap load of money to get more performance and it still isn't close to what you'd get with the Pentastar.
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Someone is on "the drugs". Ha ha ha!
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So a significant increase in the HP of the engine won't result in more power to the wheels? Ok then.

My so called "mall crawler" will be a hell of a lot more capable in its stock form than your slug. See that's it, you're pissed off because you've had to spend a crap load of money to get more performance and it still isn't close to what you'd get with the Pentastar.
I'm extremely happy with my 3.8 and haven't spent a penny on so called performance. I hope you get a 2012 Wrangler with the 3.6 and are very happy with it. It doesn't affect me one bit. There is no reason for you to continue to troll.

I won't bother trying to explain what power to the wheels means. You will probably never off road and never understand,
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This past weekend I took my JKU out on a trail to go hiking. I was followed by a Nissan frontier and Titan... guess who went the furthest and only stopped because there was not a pro spotter or a air compressor? Me. I climbed down and up a rocky ledge that both truck owners thought was impossible. For a Jeeper with a "slug" engine I did it with ease and everyone was in "aw" while I was thinking that this was average jeep terrain.

If I'm not mistaken, a Nissan Titan has more HP... sure doesn't help when it counts on the trails. Now if I need to tow a boat or trailer with 4 wheelers, I will bow down to that engine and its HP. But on a JEEP trail, I win. And Wrangler2012... I promise you I can out wheel you any day of the week no matter what jeep you have. Skill,confidence and pure ability smacks down your weak lil HP argument left and right. Sorry, but that's the facts, bro.
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Sniff sniff sniff.....I smell a challenge.....which mall are we gonna meet at lol
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