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Old 12-09-2012, 07:49 PM   #1
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Exclamation MY 2012 Wrangler Sahara sucks !!!

1. Paid 40,000 for a big yellow jeep November 2011from Courts Motors in Hurricane, WV
2. March 2012 I was driving along in Stanton Ky when it just died. The motherboard went out on it. The police came and rescued me and they towed it into the dealership and it was there 19 days ! They called me at one point to come get it and I drove to Hurricane and before I could get there they called and said, Don't come, it blew the motherboard AGAIN when we test drove it.
3. April 10 I made the first request to Chrysler for the Lemon Law. The turned me down and Patti who was my rep said it was because to qualify I needed 30 days of non use in the first year.
4. May 7 the check engine light was on again and it went into the shop again for 8 more days. 5. The check engine light comes on constantly and I am scared to go anyplace because it isn't dependable and so far the 16,000 miles that it has gone has left me stranded more than once.
6. The spark plugs were out on it and it had a miss in two spots and they took it in to fix that.
7. The Remote start works intermitently which they later said was due to the Motherboard.
8. The seals along the glass on the passenger side leak and they replace those in May.
9. The right front passenger floor board has about 2 inches of water in it anytime you run the air conditioner. This remains true to this day.
10. October 23 the check engine light comes on again and when you try to drive it it doesn't want to go. You can press the gas pedal and it doesn't go. Once again it went in to Courts Motors and they had it for 8 days.
11. They replaced the head because #4 cal had a misfire and it was bad and needed a new Head on the Engine.
12. I once again contacted Chrysler and asked them to give me the Lemon Law on it and this time the guy said He couldn't give me a reason. Said they are not allowed to tell me why they are turning me down and that anyone who previously told me why was in error. That was November 15.
13. December 8 I was driving up the four lane when it just suddenly died. I pulled over and waited a second and started it back after tears and cussing and the light flashes and beeps and the manual says, Pull over and stop ! Its parked out front now and I have no vehicle AGAIN ! Tomorrow I will have to figure out how to get my child to school or live my life. 40,000 dollars. FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS !!!
I will again ask tomorrow what the snot Chrysler is willing to do to make right their promise to providing me with a safe, dependable Jeep for that money. The jeep has only 32,133 miles on it now.
It has 0ver 620 signatures from Geocachers from across the country on it and to be honest, now its a bit embarrassing that I can't offer to take anyone for a ride because Im scared It will break down before we get there.
Im not saying that JEEPS on the whole are junk. I love that JEEP and wanted to drive it for years and years to come. But I am saying that this particular one is a very good example of what a LEMON is and that this particular one is certainly NOT what a person who plunks down 40,000 dollars expects to get from a brand new jeep within the first 32,000 miles
Just saying....

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Old 12-09-2012, 07:54 PM   #2
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I don't blame you for being upset. That's a shame. I would be pressing hard for the lemon law. Even if I had to get my own laywer. It's been riddled with problems that arent getting fixed correctly. That's not right. I wish you luck good sir.

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Incredible story mate and I hope all gets resolved for ya. I know wranglers aren't known for being issue free but darn it, it is the most satisfying vehicle I have ever owned!!!
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#1 find another dealer to make repairs.
#2 trade tha bitch in on a 2013.
#3 make sure your insurance is paid up and drive to a bad part of the city and leave the keys in that bitch and walk away.
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:07 PM   #5
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Print out this guy's thread and show it to them:


http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/pcm...ve-126584.html

"It was a ground-wire, making contact with whatever?"

ping him for further details or who his dealer is so that they can hone in on the exact area where this was discovered in.
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:12 PM   #6
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What about contacting your state attourney general?
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:04 PM   #7
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What about contacting your state attourney general?
Going to a lawyer tomorrow. Gonna ask once again if Chrysler will make it right but I have about given up on them.

I totally LOVED that jeep. It makes me so happy to drive it with the freedom top off of it. The jeep is just part of who I am now.

It was featured on the front of the World Wide Geocaching Magazine a couple months ago. Its actually a pretty famous jeep in the geocaching world.

Wish I could be on the front of the magazine again....

I would certainly have a huge sign that said LEMON hanging nearby ! LOL

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#1 find another dealer to make repairs.
#2 trade tha bitch in on a 2013.
#3 make sure your insurance is paid up and drive to a bad part of the city and leave the keys in that bitch and walk away.
Get gap insurance and leave the bitch in a bad hood with the keys in the door.
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:23 PM   #9
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Sorry to here about all your problems,first off im suprised they are calling a ecm,the motherboard,thats scary,from what im hearing the early 2012 are just problems waiting to happen.And im sorry it sounds like you got taken on the price too 40 grand for even a sahara sounds way too high.But that dosent help your problem why is the ecm failing,i would try another dealer.
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Wow, that sucks, best of luck w/the lawyer. IIRC in order to lemon law the vehicle it has to spend a certain amount of time at the dealer w/in a certain amount of time (I know that's vague, but I believe it may vary by state).
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Old 12-09-2012, 10:48 PM   #11
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If you didn't catch it....here is her Jeep...
Good luck... hope you can get another one at some point.

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Old 12-10-2012, 05:46 AM   #12
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Sorry to hear about all your problems with your Jeep.
Sounds like you sure got taken price wise on that Jeep
considering it being a 2012 Sahara. Sounds like you paid
sticker price. What amazes me more is that you let people
write in magic marker all over it.
I guess as they say .... To each his own ....
Good luck getting it repaired and getting rid of it !
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:36 AM   #13
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Why are you allowing Chrysler to dictate to you the terms of lemon law?? Get a lawyer. You should have gotten one 6 months ago...
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You're upset because it was $40K and yet you let people write all over it in marker?

Did I miss something?

If somebody touched mine with a marker I'd be in jail. Anyway... I don't know what it's like in WV but here in KY if you take it to the dealership 3 times for the same issue, it qualifies as a "lemon". I'd be looking into that. And, I would definitely find a new dealership, even if you have to drive farther. That dealership sounds very incompetent.

I just filed a formal complaint with Corporate about my local dealership, and I'm now driving 1 hour to a new dealership which has been a MUCH better experience. The local dealership will be getting a letter in the mail soon.
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I had a 2007 BMW 335i that i was able to lemon...it was in the shop for a bad fuel pump, 3x, and they could never fix the problem and it was in the shop for 32 days at one occasion....so i called BMW North America and told them i'm considering legal actions if this problem isn't rectified...as soon as they hear "legal", they shit their pants so they say okay bring the car back and order a new one...


depending on what state you live in, lemon law differs, in VA, if your car spend more than 30 days at the dealer and they can't fix it, it's a lemon...if you bring it in for 3 exact same problem and they can't fix it, it's a lemon...this has to be within 18 months of ownership however.

Anyways, so i got a new 335i, and a couple weeks later the fuel pump acted up again, it would just lose power and die...i ended up selling the car and got raped on it pretty much...

I know how frustrating it can be, just bring up the lawyer thing or threaten to go to the BBB...i hope you get a new Jeep, and 40K that you paid is a tad much, that's JKUR pricing with a lot of options if you negotiate right...good luck!
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No wonder they won't lemon the vehicle its a damn yearbook that is the stupidest thing you could do to a "40k" vehicle. No offense, but what the hell were you thinking? Am I the only one thinking this or am I the weird one here?
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I had a 2007 BMW 335i that i was able to lemon...it was in the shop for a bad fuel pump, 3x, and they could never fix the problem and it was in the shop for 32 days at one occasion....so i called BMW North America and told them i'm considering legal actions if this problem isn't rectified...as soon as they hear "legal", they shit their pants so they say okay bring the car back and order a new one...

depending on what state you live in, lemon law differs, in VA, if your car spend more than 30 days at the dealer and they can't fix it, it's a lemon...if you bring it in for 3 exact same problem and they can't fix it, it's a lemon...this has to be within 18 months of ownership however.

Anyways, so i got a new 335i, and a couple weeks later the fuel pump acted up again, it would just lose power and die...i ended up selling the car and got raped on it pretty much...

I know how frustrating it can be, just bring up the lawyer thing or threaten to go to the BBB...i hope you get a new Jeep, and 40K that you paid is a tad much, that's JKUR pricing with a lot of options if you negotiate right...good luck!
My buddy here in California got a lawyer after the 2nd time his fuel pump went out on his 08 BMW 335 and BMW took back the car and gave him back all the payments he made on his car. $25000

Get a lawyer!
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I wouldn't let anyone sign my vehicle but that has sentimental value that can not be replaced for her. I good lawyer may be able to get more than the value of the Wrangler with that as a reason. She had people sign it thinking she would own it for a long time. That is irreplaceable.
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The signatures all over the paint are definitely not helping your case with Chrysler. I could see those alone preventing a replacement/refund, or at least incurring some sort of penalty in that regard.

You're still covered under WV lemon law, but you need to get in touch with a lawyer *now*.
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Markings on the paint have nothing to do with the mechanical problems. They are irrelevant. If Chrysler is using this to base a decision off of it's because they are just another big corp who cares about nothing but money. I'll laugh at anyone who says otherwise.
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I'd want a new jeep too if someone wrote all over mine.
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No wonder they won't lemon the vehicle its a damn yearbook that is the stupidest thing you could do to a "40k" vehicle. No offense, but what the hell were you thinking? Am I the only one thinking this or am I the weird one here?
You are but I'm thinking that too. But, it's her vehicle and the calligraphy/hieroglyphics shouldn't enter into a lemon law decision. First, she must have paid sticker for it; oh well. Second, she needs an attorney it seems.
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All those signatures will come right out with a little polish and a buffer, unless they've been cleared over. I didn't have the sound on, so I don't know.
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Markings on the paint have nothing to do with the mechanical problems. They are irrelevant. If Chrysler is using this to base a decision off of it's because they are just another big corp who cares about nothing but money. I'll laugh at anyone who says otherwise.
They're irrelevant to mechanical issues, yes, but unless they can be completely cleaned off without much cost, they significantly hurt the resale value of the vehicle.

Vehicles returned through lemon law programs are repaired and resold. If the resale value is trashed due to the original owner (and unrelated to the mechanical issues), I'd be surprised if the owner wasn't held accountable to a certain extent.

This is all speculation on everyone's part, obviously, but I could understand Chrysler's position if they wanted to argue that way.

If I buy a new Jeep, rattle can the entire thing pink, and then the engine fails 2 months later, should I expect a 0-cost, brand new, replacement? The motor is going to be repaired or replaced, but I'm sure a lemon law return would be out of the question at that point.
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All those signatures will come right out with a little polish and a buffer, unless they've been cleared over. I didn't have the sound on, so I don't know.
From a comment on the Youtube video:

"Yep, thats permanent and to make matters worse, LOL, or better, I sprayed over the names with clear gloss paint when I got home because several of the signatures washed off and made me sad So now its got some grip and they seem to be staying and its a good base for the next event signatures hehe
I think its sorta gone make it less noticeable, more stealthy hehe"

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Easy solution, get an attorney. It will cost you the least in the end. Assuming you've met the lemon law criteria, the buy back is a no brainier. The attorney will do all the work and make sure the buy back is for fair "retail" value. Additionally you should be fairly compensated for rentals or alternate personal transportation for the duration the Jeeps been out of service.
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Wow i thought you were kidding when you said that you had signatures all over it. Then i saw the video. May god have mercy on your soul.
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[QUOTE=Jag;3087090]They're irrelevant to mechanical issues, yes, but unless they can be completely cleaned off without much cost, they significantly hurt the resale value of the vehicle.

Vehicles returned through lemon law programs are repaired and resold. If the resale value is trashed due to the original owner (and unrelated to the mechanical issues), I'd be surprised if the owner wasn't held accountable to a certain extent.

This is all speculation on everyone's part, obviously, but I could understand Chrysler's position if they wanted to argue that way.QUOTE]

Same would go for non repaired damage and also the mileage fee as well which is around .20 IIRC. Chrysler will absolutely penalize her for the signatures that don't come off.
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Easy solution, get an attorney. It will cost you the least in the end. Assuming you've met the lemon law criteria, the buy back is a no brainier. The attorney will do all the work and make sure the buy back is for fair "retail" value. Additionally you should be fairly compensated for rentals or alternate personal transportation for the duration the Jeeps been out of service.
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Vehicles returned through lemon law programs are repaired and resold. If the resale value is trashed due to the original owner (and unrelated to the mechanical issues), I'd be surprised if the owner wasn't held accountable to a certain extent.

If the resale value is trashed due to the original owner, then too bad...Chrysler should eat that for letting a lemon leave the factory in the first place and causing so much inconvenience for the customer. It was the customer's vehicle and they're allowed to make whatever changes they want to it, whether it affects resale or not. No one anticipates that their vehicle will be a lemon! Holding the owner accountable for what they rightfully did to their own vehicle while they owned it is completely unfair. It was Chrysler's fault that it turned out to be a lemon, not the customer's.

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