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Old 05-27-2011, 11:48 AM   #1
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My "Doors Off" Mirror Solution

So I know most of us have had to figure out what to do with sideview mirrors once our doors are off.

The primary solutions I've seen/heard include (1) Harley mirrors like these. They're easy on/off and reasonably cheap, but seem too small to me. (2) Special detachable JK spare mirrors like these. They also look easy on/off and are a better size than the Harley mirrors, but I think they're too pricey. (3) Relocation brackets like these that relocate the OEM mirrors. These are well-priced and give you your factory mirror, but look to be a bit of a hassle to do every time you want your doors off. And (4) I've also seen folks use generic "car type" mirrors you can pick up from autozone. These are cheap, though I can't tell how hard it is to take them on/off and, in any event, they are look funny to me.

Not being thrilled with any of these options, I held off.

BUT, then I saw these proposed on another forum and I picked them up. That's right: YJ mirrors. It's $40 for a PAIR of them, and they work great. I've posted a few pics.

My comments: (a) I had to install the passenger side mirror on the higher set of bolt holes. This is because the two mirror stems are actually different. It's hard to describe, but you'll understand if you get them. (b) I installed them upside down, which made for better view angles. (c) The passenger mirror (which I believe would be used as the driver mirror if being installed on a YJ) isn't convex like they are in modern vehicles, so I'm going to add one of those smaller stick-on mirrors to get a broader view.

So to recap: This is the cheapest mirror solution I've seen, they bolt directly on using the factory hardware currently on your Jeep, they come on and off very easily, and they provide essentially full-size mirrors.

I'm going to experiment with different mounting options, i.e., switching sides and using different bolt holes, etc. But I've got at least one set up (pictured) which works. Pretty darn good for $40 bucks I think.
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Thanks I was thinking about giving this a shot!

Quick question though, is that bracket metal? I was worried the metal on metal would scratch off some paint.

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Quick question though, is that bracket metal? I was worried the metal on metal would scratch off some paint.
It is indeed metal, though it's painted black.

The scratching idea hadn't occured to me, so this is something to watch out for. If it ends up being an issue, I'd think it could be pretty easily remedied with some stick on pad or laminate of some sort.
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Good job on finding this solution, when and if I get stopped by cops for not having any side view mirrors, I might do the same, 40$ well invested.
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Can they stay there with the doors back on? If so, does it look dumb?
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too low.....not a big fan of any of the "mirror" mods or relos myself..but why not flip the bar around and go the other way with it and raise them up?? No side mirror laws in TX thank god...but we do have the turn you head and look back law
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Can they stay there with the doors back on? If so, does it look dumb?
"Probably, though I haven't tried it" and "I'm not sure."

I don't think they're in the way of the door itself, so they could probably stay put. However, I'd expect you'd have to remove the OEM mirror so as to not hit them when you open the door. And leaving both sets on would look pretty dumb I think.

The bigger question is whether you could see them--especially the passenger side mirror--while the doors are on. I don't think so, at least not in the set up I had in the pics. It's possible that could be cured by mounting them in the higher bolt holes, flipping sides, etc. I'm just not sure.

I will say that, even if it would work, I'd probably stick with the OEM mirrors while my doors are on anyway. These do vibrate at high speeds and while it doesn't make any noise it does distort the image a little. It's not a big deal, but the OEM mirrors present a nicer image so I prefer them all things being equal. Given that it's so easy to get these YJ mirrors on/off, I plan just to use these while the doors are off.
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I'll stick with my RR mirror re-location brackets.
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too low.....why not flip the bar around and go the other way with it and raise them up??
They're at least as high as the common "Harley mirror" solution.

But, I may. The pics show how I put them on to start with and, with some tinkering, I can see back just fine. So I declared victory and left them.

However, I could put them each on the opposite side of the Jeep, or I could flip the retainer bracket around on each stem to invert the direction, or I could remove the mirror and bolt it on the other side of the stem thereby reversing the mirror altogether, or I could use the higher mounting points on both sides of the Jeep, etc etc. On top of all that, the two are actually not simply inverted versions of one and other, like I indicated earlier, the angles are different for the passenger and driver side.

So further experimentation is warranted. But there is at least ONE mounting option that works pretty darn good.
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I'll stick with my RR mirror re-location brackets.
Do you leave them on while your doors are on? I've heard it's hard to see much of the passenger mirror with that set up.
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I may give these a try. I still haven't found a satisfactory viewing angle for my passenger side mirror using the RR relocation brackets. Doors on, mirror is completely blocked. Doors off, I see so little that there's a huge blind spot. I have to turn my head anyway to be sure I have a good view, so the passenger mirror is useless to me. The way these are mounted, and being able to swing them in closer, it looks like you would get a much better view through the passenger mirror.

edit: Question, can the passenger mirror be flipped around so that the mirror is higher than the bracket (if that makes sense)? Otherwise, the mirror would probably be in the way when I have my or-fab tube doors on.
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Somebody on this forum suggested this:



And surprisingly, it works very well.

I have one on each outside AC vent and they are completely adjustable.
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Somebody on this forum suggested this:



And surprisingly, it works very well.

I have one on each outside AC vent and they are completely adjustable.
Saw the same post. works great



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^^where do you get these?
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What is the larger one attached to?
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^^where do you get these?
The smaller one is available at most auto parts stores. Just a regular stick on convex mirror. Don't get one bigger than 1 1/2". And get the thinnest one you can find. That way, you can still use the vent when the top is on.
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What is the larger one attached to?
3/8 all thread. Have teflon washers where it hits the paint. going to cut all thread and paint black soon.



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can see the world out of it. works great
Nice. Who says Jeepers aren't innovative?
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And surprisingly, it works very well.

I have one on each outside AC vent and they are completely adjustable.


Yelp, I did the same thing last week. For a grand total of like $3, it was a great investment. We don't have to have side mirrors, but on the occasions that I have to run into town, it makes city driving and merging easier.
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I should of included the "mini-mirrors" on my list!

My practical concern with these--in a state like NC, where side mirrors are required--is that cops aren't likely to see them. As a result, you're just as likely to get pulled over as if you had no mirrors at all, and, at that point, you may very well have to convince the officer that they're adequate/lawful. He may or may not agree.

I have however been thinking about adding them as a supplement to the YJ mirrors.
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Nice write up & photos.

That seems to be for something called a "YJ" though....
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first time door-offer

I'm a long time jeep owner, first time door-offer. I found this thread and followed everyone's advice. Here's what I came up with.

Disclaimer: I stole all of these ideas from other people. I didn't come up with any of this myself. This post is more of a combination of a bunch of ideas into one spot.

I have a 2005 wrangler. Getting the doors off was a bit of a challenge - lots of WD40 and elbow grease. First, I used a 13mm socket wrench to take the 4 nuts (2 on each door) off. This did cause a few small scratches, but I'm going to try not to let that bring me down... Pulling the doors off of the hinges wasn't as easy. Other threads had a variety of suggestions, but what worked for me was rolling the windows down, opening the doors a little, standing inside of the door, and then swinging the door open and closed while applying upward pressure. (Note: It really helped me when I grabbed the door as close to the hinges as possible, not farther out by the back edge of the door.)

To stay street legal, I did add an external driver's side mirror. I followed the directions from Chopperbody (post above). I bought a cheap mirror (~$8 from Advanced Auto Parts): wide angle mirror, 5". I also bought a 1/4" bolt and then put a short tube over it (1/4"ID, 3/8"OD) so that the bolt would not scratch the inside of my door hinge. I put rubber washers above and below the sheath tube so that the bolts would not scratch the paint on my door hinges. Also, since I only used a 1/4" bolt (instead of the recommended 3/8), I had to thicken up the diameter of the bolt using some random/cheap hardware store parts so that the mirror could grasp the bolt. The mirror is rather stable and surprisingly functional - No significant vibrations when going down the road.

Here's a link to the mirror I bought. K-Source 5" Clamp-On Spot CL052,

Then, I removed the #4 fuse from the panel inside of my glove box. (I removed the glove box to do this, but you probably don't have to.) I took someone else's advice and am storing the fuse in the #3 slot, meant for a sub-woofer - but can't find that thread at the moment, so sorry for not giving you the credit. Now, the door sensors are deactivated and my dome light isn't on all of the time. I am still able to put the dome light on by spinning the stick that controls the headlights.

Thanks for everyone for their help.
I wish I would have done this years ago.
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Looks great. I like how the mirror is somewhat inside the cabin. Enough for other folks (officers) to see you have them, but also inside enough to probably cut down on the vibration.
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I made a bracket and mounted the mirror that you get at Autozone or Pepboys. 15 bucks for the mirrors and brackets from scrap metal. I just need to powder coat the brackets and call it done.





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And surprisingly, it works very well.

I have one on each outside AC vent and they are completely adjustable.

I just took my doors off the first time this weekend. I am told we don't need side mirrors in AZ as long as we have the rearview mirror. I didn't feel comfortable driving without a mirror especially on the driver side so I bought 2" mirrors for my vents like the ones in this pic at checkers for about $3 the pair. They work good for seeing a vehicle in the other lane when changing lanes, especially on driver side so I don't need to turn around and check. However, they do not work very well for backing into parking spaces as they are inside the vehicle and not out to the edge of the fenders. It's not very often that I do back into parking spaces but guess it's easy enough to look back when doing so.
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Old 08-13-2011, 10:24 PM   #27
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Here's my prototype.
Finished off all the silver bits with spraycan Bedliner
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i had two sets of old mirrors from my Harley, I used these for @40000 miles on the bike so i figure they will work for the Jeep.
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