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Old 06-13-2011, 08:13 PM   #31
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Handicap was a side topic brought up in post 25 by tysalem in response to a comment about standard. Are you reading the same posts that I am?

tysalem is the one who erroneously IMO concluded that it was some kind of anti auto statement.
Sorry, I didn't mean to jump to conclusions, but he did say "I thought it was a Jeep" Which I thought he meant all Jeep's should be manual. Sorry if I was wrong.

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Hopefully we can keep the discussion friendly. Accidents aren't caused by thought process as described in tysalem's post, rather, it is the unexpected occurrence that triggers the late reaction. I think we have established by reasonable thinking that it is harder to react with your foot that far away from the pedals. If reasonable thinking isn't enough, try physics applied to the situation of moving a mass the size of your foot over distance and then slowing it down precisely where it has to be to operate the pedals.

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I drive a manual and occasionally rest my foot on the stock side step. Living on the edge!!!
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Sorry, I didn't mean to jump to conclusions, but he did say "I thought it was a Jeep" Which I thought he meant all Jeep's should be manual. Sorry if I was wrong.
ty, we cross posted. I think we are ok here I just didn't want to see the discussion blow up out of proportion.
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No I'm not usually a rude person. Just thought this whole thing was silly and like to ruffle feathers once and awhile. There are a lot of opinionated people on here.
Guess I'm just bored, but anyway you pretty much just said only handicapped people drive auto tranny.
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I drive a manual and occasionally rest my foot on the stock side step. Living on the edge!!!
Question is do you do that with the windows rolled all the way down...gulp...wait a minute, we're talking no doors here...
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Hopefully we can keep the discussion friendly. Accidents aren't caused by thought process as described in tysalem's post, rather, it is the unexpected occurrence that triggers the late reaction. I think we have established by reasonable thinking that it is harder to react with your foot that far away from the pedals. If reasonable thinking isn't enough, try physics applied to the situation of moving a mass the size of your foot over distance and then slowing it down precisely where it has to be to operate the pedals.
I completely agree.
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Question is do you do that with the windows rolled all the way down...gulp...wait a minute, were talking no doors here...
Wait, this is about the doors being off?? No no, I was saying I routinely drive while physically outside of the jeep, standing on the side steps. Very open air and avant garde. I work the clutch with a broom handle and the gas with a 9 iron. All the cool kids are doing it.
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So..... We've come to the conclusion that I shouldn't drive like this?
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So..... We've come to the conclusion that I shouldn't drive like this?
Those are some damn cute toes, if I were you I wouldn't drive like that. Doesn't look manly!
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Wait, this is about the doors being off?? No no, I was saying I routinely drive while physically outside of the jeep, standing on the side steps. Very open air and avant garde. I work the clutch with a broom handle and the gas with a 9 iron. All the cool kids are doing it.
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I like car surfing teen wolf style. I was actually in the process of removing the steering wheel. I was gonna put custom 8 foot tall ape hanger handle bars with a twist throttle. Then I can stand on the roll bar while driving. No need for a break I'll just bail off the top if something gets in my way.lol
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No I'm not usually a rude person. Just thought this whole thing was silly and like to ruffle feathers once and awhile. There are a lot of opinionated people on here.
Guess I'm just bored, but anyway you pretty much just said only handicapped people drive auto tranny.
Sorry, I didn't mean for it to come across that way. I know that the majority of people prefer auto's.
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So..... We've come to the conclusion that I shouldn't drive like this?


Now that I've gotten over looking at those tootsies, let me give a little driving lesson that I learned when I was 17.

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Lets say that the other foot that is near the pedals has to tromp on the brake, do you know what would happen? Well, when the brake begins to slow the car down, normally your left foot would keep your body from being thrown forward but with it up there, your body will not be stopped from moving forward and thus would apply additional pressure to the brake pedal that your right foot would be on. Once this process starts, you would not be able to come off the brake because it is that foot that is keeping you from slamming into the dash. In physics this system is known as a positive feedback system. This particular situation will result in the car stopping as well as if you had intentionally slammed on the brakes in a car (or jeep) with an ABS. When I learned that lesson, I was lucky there was nobody behind me. It shocked the hell out of me and since then I make it a point to have my left foot in for support on the floor against the momentum created on your body by your right foot being on the brake.
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The same thing would happen with two feet on the brake by the way. That is what got me to thinking about your picture. Same effect.
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Hmmm, I never thought about that.

On a side note, my foot is much better looking than that one in the picture!
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I have manual. Keep doors off about 5-6 months of year minimum. And keep right foot out of door a lot. Drove from Columbia to charlotte and back 3 times last 5 weeks. And will do at least 3 more times by Aug. A lot of cruise time.
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yeah, feet inside the vehicle for me when im moving. my left and right feet are keeping me from colliding with other vehicles. thats why i have one hand on the wheel and one on the shifter all of the time too. you never know when danger could strike. i think doors off and top down is ballsy enough IMO.
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I have manual. Keep doors off about 5-6 months of year minimum. And keep right foot out of door a lot. Drove from Columbia to charlotte and back 3 times last 5 weeks. And will do at least 3 more times by Aug. A lot of cruise time.
Just remember what I said about your left foot supporting your body preventing it from being thrown forward into the brake via your right foot. With the left out that far, the angle created by your leg to your torso is great enough that if you slammed the brake hard enough, you may not be able to prevent an uncontrolled stop. And I mean dead stop and no choice once the process starts. I'm a scientist at heart, I studied engineering when I was a yute at the University of Lowell. Be careful to get that left foot back in and on the floor before nailing the brake.
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This guy keeps his RIGHT foot out the door. Wow that must be uncomfortable.
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This guy keeps his RIGHT foot out the door. Wow that must be uncomfortable.
lol..i caught that too,,he must be in london
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I have manual. And keep right foot out of door a lot. .
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In addition to all the other reasons why a foot peg is fine with a manual for long cruising periods... the brakes alone are more than capable of stalling and stopping a manual if someone had to mash them and for some reason couldn't get their foot on the clutch in a hurry.
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I don't think anybody was saying you shouldn't express yourself in your jeep. It is just that when someone puts you in the poor house for killing a person while you are doing it, you can go on to the poor house claiming us more conservative drivers must have somehow been conspiring against those who have little concern for others safety. I've conspired so I shouldn't own a jeep? This somehow smacks of something I hear young people say to their parents when they don't get their way.
What the hell are you talking about?
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This guy keeps his RIGHT foot out the door. Wow that must be uncomfortable.
OK, did my logic goof somewhere? I went back and checked and couldn't find it. Closest I could find is this:

"Just remember what I said about your left foot supporting your body preventing it from being thrown forward into the brake via your right foot."

In that statement I meant left foot on the floor next to your right foot. Right then slams the brake, left is able to support the weight being thrown forward because of the deceleration.

Or was there some other faux pas?
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What the hell are you talking about?
You'll figure it out...eventually.
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In addition to all the other reasons why a foot peg is fine with a manual for long cruising periods... the brakes alone are more than capable of stalling and stopping a manual if someone had to mash them and for some reason couldn't get their foot on the clutch in a hurry.
That no stall feature only works in 1st in 4 low. Is that what you are referring to here?

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