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Old 01-02-2014, 10:41 PM   #1
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My mud tires suck in snow

I recently got new rims, mud tires (because they look badass) and a 3in lift for my jku. I life in NEPA and got a snow storm. I couldn't wait to try the jeep out in the snow. IT SUCKED! even in 4x4 I was having a hard time and had to go super slow at all times. Any recommendation on a tire that looks cool but yet is good in snow? If so let me know. Thanks!

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I recently got new rims, mud tires (because they look badass) and a 3in lift for my jku. I life in NEPA and got a snow storm. I couldn't wait to try the jeep out in the snow. IT SUCKED! even in 4x4 I was having a hard time and had to go super slow at all times. Any recommendation on a tire that looks cool but yet is good in snow? If so let me know. Thanks!
If you want an aggressive tire that rocks in the snow, go with the king. Go with the Duratracs. Following my post, you will see about 100 more recommending the same thing.



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Thanks man. I heard good things about the duratracs before I even got my tires. I shoulda went with them in the first place. Next set ill defiantly get them
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Thanks man. I heard good things about the duratracs before I even got my tires. I shoulda went with them in the first place. Next set ill defiantly get them
Which tires did you get?
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If you want an aggressive tire that rocks in the snow, go with the king. Go with the Duratracs. Following my post, you will see about 100 more recommending the same thing.
I second this!

I haven't gotten a set for the new Jeep yet, but I had them on my old Cherokee and they were the best thing ever! I lived in Fayetteville, Arkansas, at the time, and the snow in 2010 (37" total in Jan. and Feb.) never slowed me down a bit. I only had 2WD. The little bit of time they spent in mud they tore it up as well!
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Which tires did you get?
I got a cooper tire. I forget the make, I'll have to check my tire for the type of tire it was. They only have about 4000 miles on them and still are quite meaty. I wish they were more worn so I can grab some duratracs lol
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I second this! I haven't gotten a set for the new Jeep yet, but I had them on my old Cherokee and they were the best thing ever! I lived in Fayetteville, Arkansas, at the time, and the snow in 2010 (37" total in Jan. and Feb.) never slowed me down a bit. I only had 2WD. The little bit of time they spent in mud they tore it up as well!
Damn that's a lot of snow. I got around 6 inches today and I'm afraid to drive my king of the of the off road jeep wrangler out there with my current tires lol.
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4x4 isn't some magic fix for snow. I'm down in philly and pretty sure we're up to 5 inches. I had to go slow too, didn't break 25 the entire trip and would slow down over the length of a quarter mile. I have AT's. Mud tires are worse because they have less contact with the road and aren't siped(those little slits in the tread blocks) as heavily, so you're essentially driving around on a set of hockey pucks.
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4x4 isn't some magic fix for snow. I'm down in philly and pretty sure we're up to 5 inches. I had to go slow too, didn't break 25 the entire trip and would slow down over the length of a quarter mile. I have AT's. Mud tires are worse because they have less contact with the road and aren't siped(those little slits in the tread blocks) as heavily, so you're essentially driving around on a set of hockey pucks.
I was going slow as well but little things like making turns I literally had to almost stop to not slide on turns. 4x4 definitely was the only thing enabling me to go in snow
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Damn that's a lot of snow. I got around 6 inches today and I'm afraid to drive my king of the of the off road jeep wrangler out there with my current tires lol.
MTs are generally pretty good in virgin powder, so if yours aren't they must not be very good tires period. Even stock rubi tires hold their own in fresh snow.
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4x4 isn't some magic fix for snow. I'm down in philly and pretty sure we're up to 5 inches. I had to go slow too, didn't break 25 the entire trip and would slow down over the length of a quarter mile. I have AT's. Mud tires are worse because they have less contact with the road and aren't siped(those little slits in the tread blocks) as heavily, so you're essentially driving around on a set of hockey pucks.
I drove almost 20 miles in 18" of snow in my old duratrac'ed wrangler, and only realized at the end of my drive (steep driveway covered in ice) that I drove the entire way in 2WD.
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A couple of things you can do to make ordinary mud tires work better on snowy roads:

1. Check the air pressure. You don't need 40 psi to support the Jeep, and lowering it considerably will help with traction. I run 25 psi on the street with E-rated tires unless I'm on a long, high-speed highway trip, then I bump 'em up to 35 psi.

At 35 psi, traction isn't nearly as good as with 25 psi.

2. Have them siped! You'll pay more now for this service, now that they're used, but having them siped helps tremendously! If you haven't done this, it's just having a lot of small slits cut in the tread. Tire shops can either sipe just the center section, or all the way across the tread. Seriously, this makes the difference between a mud tire that is twitchy and grip-less on snow covered streets and a tire that grabs and goes.

Those two things combined can help a lot, for not much expense.

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I drove almost 20 miles in 18" of snow in my old duratrac'ed wrangler, and only realized at the end of my drive (steep driveway covered in ice) that I drove the entire way in 2WD.
Sometimes 18" of snow is nowhere near as bad as two or three inches of compacted snow & ice...
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Sometimes 18" of snow is nowhere near as bad as two or three inches of compacted snow & ice...
Very true, but on surfaces like that, you are not going to get better than a duratrac unless you go with a dedicated snow tire.
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A couple of things you can do to make ordinary mud tires work better on snowy roads:

1. Check the air pressure. You don't need 40 psi to support the Jeep, and lowering it considerably will help with traction. I run 25 psi on the street with E-rated tires unless I'm on a long, high-speed highway trip, then I bump 'em up to 35 psi.

At 35 psi, traction isn't nearly as good as with 25 psi.

2. Have them siped! You'll pay more now for this service, now that they're used, but having them siped helps tremendously! If you haven't done this, it's just having a lot of small slits cut in the tread. Tire shops can either sipe just the center section, or all the way across the tread. Seriously, this makes the difference between a mud tire that is twitchy and grip-less on snow covered streets and a tire that grabs and goes.

Those two things combined can help a lot, for not much expense.

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I couldn't disagree more. MT tires use a very different compound. They are not meant to be siped. You are better off selling your MTs than siping them. Siping them will completely destroy them in 5000 miles (which is quick considering some MTs can last 60K) not to mention, they will start to chunk VERY quickly....

Here's an MT that has been siped...look at the chunking..





If you MUST get to work and cant afford tires right now, yes, siping MTs will improve your traction over just stock MTs...BUT....that traction will come at a price....and the price is killing your tires.
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I was just driving around on my stock Rubicon KM2s and thought they did very well. Granted we only have about 2" but there is a lot of slushy, slippery stuff. I know a lot of folks bash the BLD, but I was very impressed with the set up. Even driving stupid I couldn't get into too much trouble. When we had our first snow a few weeks ago I took the Jeep out to a parking lot to do donuts, because i think that's the best way to get the feel for a new vehicle in the snow. With the traction control on it took some work to get it sideways. I am quite impressed.
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I was just driving around on my stock Rubicon KM2s and thought they did very well. Granted we only have about 2" but there is a lot of slushy, slippery stuff. I know a lot of folks bash the BLD, but I was very impressed with the set up. Even driving stupid I couldn't get into too much trouble. When we had our first snow a few weeks ago I took the Jeep out to a parking lot to do donuts, because i think that's the best way to get the feel for a new vehicle in the snow. With the traction control on it took some work to get it sideways. I am quite impressed.
I don't know who would bash BLD...its an excellent system. I think the bashing you speak of is the lockers vs BLD and those debates get heated...truth is, both systems are fantastic and neither replaces the other.
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I second getting the tires siped. I got my Baja MTZ's (just center lugs) siped and noticed the difference right away. If you lower your pressure that will help also. I go down to 15-20# if conditions get real bad. If you do these 2 things then you can keep your tires. Then you won't have to buy the duratracs and then have to worry about a sharp snow flake popping the sidewall.
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NFRs2000NYC and I disagree on the siping. He's seen the chunking, and I've seen siped mud tires work well even on icy, snowy streets.

Guess you'll have to make your own call!

I do like my all-terrains on the icy, snowy roads and also in the deeper snow up in the mountains, but that doesn't help you.

The Jeep, on good tires, is an excellent snow vehicle. Consider a second set of tires for winter? It's not an unusual solution, and can be a very good solution.

In the past I had the luxury of having a set of street tires, and a set of heavy-duty off-road tires for a 4x4 rig. It was a pretty doggone good solution. The street tires were also very good in the winter, and the big ol' mudders were GREAT off road.

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I don't know who would bash BLD...its an excellent system. I think the bashing you speak of is the lockers vs BLD and those debates get heated...truth is, both systems are fantastic and neither replaces the other.
I think it's the LSD vs BLD crowd. Just another Sahara vs Rubicon debating point. I'm certain I took a few miles off my pads, but oh well.
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siping definitely works. how bad your tires get up is a function of how you drive offroad. I will probably not sipe another set of mt tires because i have had so many freaking punctures right through a sipe, but i can see why some would because, well, stopping is nice.
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I drove almost 20 miles in 18" of snow in my old duratrac'ed wrangler, and only realized at the end of my drive (steep driveway covered in ice) that I drove the entire way in 2WD.
Totally agree that MT's will be way better in the fresh stuff, but I'm assuming that he's driving in the same road conditions as me, which is a couple inches of packed snow. I manage to get around using 2wd on my AT2's for the most part, but 4hi certainly helps with some starts or if I get a bit of a slide going.
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NFRs2000NYC and I disagree on the siping. He's seen the chunking, and I've seen siped mud tires work well even on icy, snowy streets.

Guess you'll have to make your own call!

I do like my all-terrains on the icy, snowy roads and also in the deeper snow up in the mountains, but that doesn't help you.

The Jeep, on good tires, is an excellent snow vehicle. Consider a second set of tires for winter? It's not an unusual solution, and can be a very good solution.

In the past I had the luxury of having a set of street tires, and a set of heavy-duty off-road tires for a 4x4 rig. It was a pretty doggone good solution. The street tires were also very good in the winter, and the big ol' mudders were GREAT off road.

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Just to clarify...I did NOT say that siping an MT wont work....it most definitely will improve traction, I wasn't going to argue that. I just said it's a bad idea and should be done as a last resort IMHO. Taking a perfectly meaty MT that has plenty of life and siping it for the winter killing 80% of the tires's life seems like a waste. At that point, it would be smarter to pick up some beat up wheels from a member, get snow tires, and have two dedicated sets that will last you 10 years combined.
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Just wondering what the OP's tire gauge reads?
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If you want year around performance and do not spend 5 months driving in snow then an all terrian tire will be much better then a mud tire. For winter driving then nothing will out perform a snow tire in hard packed snow and ice--and that is due to to rubber compound they are made of--it is softer and will wear quickly in the summer heat. All terrain tires are just that--a compromise but performs well in wide variation of conditions. An all terrian tire will not out perform a mud tire in tire, an all season on dry pavement, or a snow tire in snow-- but will provide a level of capability in various situations. Bottom line is if you are only looking for winter performance then go with snow tires for winter and switch them out each season
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Damn that's a lot of snow. I got around 6 inches today and I'm afraid to drive my king of the of the off road jeep wrangler out there with my current tires lol.
I should clarify on that, the snow did not come all at one time, it came in 5 separate storms one of which dropped 17". For that storm I had to dig the old Cherokee out of it's parking spot to get it moving, but we basically had snow on the ground for two months straight. Those two months were back to back the snowiest month on record for NW Arkansas, also the coldest, one night we got down to -18 degrees (some place in eastern Oklahoma took the record that night at -24 degrees). I hated it at the time, but now that I have moved back to Texas, I do kind of miss it.

I also really miss all the National Forest land with open back roads and trails to wander around.

Also, I don't recommend driving quickly in the snow in any sort of vehicle or tire. Unless it is a purposely built snow going rally car, LOL! But, those are easily the best AT's I've seen in the snow.
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I was just driving around on my stock Rubicon KM2s and thought they did very well. Granted we only have about 2" but there is a lot of slushy, slippery stuff. I know a lot of folks bash the BLD, but I was very impressed with the set up. Even driving stupid I couldn't get into too much trouble. When we had our first snow a few weeks ago I took the Jeep out to a parking lot to do donuts, because i think that's the best way to get the feel for a new vehicle in the snow. With the traction control on it took some work to get it sideways. I am quite impressed.
I also have stock Rubicon tires and they performed great so far....we've had several snow storms ranging from 3" to 14" or so and no problems....we also had an ice storm over Christmas week which dropped between 1/4-1/2" of ice and there was no problem with that either. I think a lot has to do with a driver's experience in the specific conditions. I've owned a lot of trucks that I ran mud tires on year round so I'm used to how they feel and react so it's not a white knuckle experience.
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a couple of sand bags in the back help on the icy roads.
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a couple of sand bags in the back help on the icy roads.

What he said. Mud tires work well in deep snow but not so good on hard packed stuff. We had about 6" this week. Easy driving in my subdivision (no snowplow), not so much on the main roads which were coated and packed down. A little weight over the rear end will help a lot.

Also, not sure about OP's age. After 25 years of driving mostly rear wheel drive vehicles you get used to it. Slow down and take your time.

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