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Old 08-28-2011, 12:28 AM   #1
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Mykll's Mesh Grill Method

With the 42 different threads I cold post this in, figured I would just start yet another thread.

First of all, apologize for the pictures may be out of order, not sure how to add them inline without putting them on another site first. I think I can add them inline on the iOS app, but I can't in my desktop Safari browser? So just adding the bunch at the end.

All I had when the morning started was the zip ties, zip tie mounting bases, velcro, and that asphanapawhatchamacallit whatever solution Old Hill Bill used. And 3 little aluminum pans. Oh and the Jeep. All week I could not find the right mesh I liked. Or heck, could not find any mesh at all. I did find the mesh cloth that was really plastic, but all I could find it in was green. So that was out of the question.

So I took one of the baking pans, poured 45 of the zip tie mounting bases in it, and poured in that aspha whatever paint stripper solution until it covered them all. Then I left to go to Tractor Supply Store, about the only store I haven't checked in Waco. There I bought the hardware cloth (galvanized metal, 1/4" squares) and the bedliner in a can. There is a picture of all supplies.

After a while of driving around aimlessly and shopping, came back to the house just over 2 hours later. Up Hill Bill said he soaked for an hour, and still had some troubles? After my longer soak, the sticky backings came right off. There was a little sticky residue left, that later Goo Gone got rid of.

So I took the backings of them all, washed them down and headed over to a friend's house. His place is more wide open, more shade, and usually a much better breeze. Figures I would do this outside on the hottest day of the year, and the 4th hottest day ever.

Taking off the grill was easy. 6 plastic things on top, pull out on the bottom of the grill to get out the 4? tabs on the bottom, on each side pull the red plastic slider on the yellow light cables and then pull the cables out, and then finally pull out the tabs on each light. I have a close up picture of the right light, and you can see the wire hanging down with the red tab. Have to slide that out before pulling the wire out. Also, you can see the little slot that the tab fits in just to the right of the wire. There is another picture of the back of the light on the grill. You can see there the wire attaches to, as well, on the left in the middle sort of, the tab that sticks through the slot next to that wire in the first pic.

Wiped the inside of the grill with Goo Gone and set aside to dry. Measured one line of Velcro and cut it off. Then cut off 7 more about the same length. First laid them in to see how they would look. (pic) Peeled off just a little at one end, and stuck it down first straight. Then as I peeled off the rest of the strip I would stick it down as I went. I put the hairy side here. (pic)

With what residue that was left on the mounting bases, couple of squirts with Goo Gone and a quick wipedown on a rag was all that was needed. (pic)

For the mesh, I had a big piece of paper laying around, so with the grill off I just kind of set it in and folded to the size of the screen. I wanted one big screen instead of cutting into strips. That pattern I used to but the mesh.

With some leftover mesh, I painted some with the bedliner, a single coat. So you can see half unpainted and half painted. (pic)

I eventually added 3 layers to both sides, allowing a dry time of 15 minutes each. (pic)

On the plastic hook side of the velcro I cut just short of the base, didn't want any overhang. So here is a picture of a square cut of velcro, one base, and then what it looks like together. Low profile velcro but still sticks together like mad. (pic)

When it was all done (messed with all of this in between spraying layers of liner on the mesh) I them laid down the zip bases upside down on the velcro installed on the mesh, just to see what it looks like. (pic)

I then added zip ties both ways through each base, going through both holes on opposite sides each. (pic)

Laid the mesh on top of everything. And then it hit me that I had no plan on how exactly to pull the zip ties through the mesh easy. Luckilly, my friend ransacked his daughter's room for some finger nail polish and as I laid the mesh down I put a little dot where each mounting base would go. I only closed the zip ties a couple of notches each, I wanted them loose so I had some wiggle room when I put the mesh back down. (pic)

After the mesh was down, I pushed the mesh down where each mounting base would go, and zip tied the ties mostly tight. Sometimes I had to use a small phillips screwdriver to push down on the base and move it around to make sure it was hooked properly on the velcro. After that was done, I then proceeded to pull tighter the ties and cut off the excess, cutting perpendicular, not cutting the length like normally you would thing. It cramps and cuts the ends of the ties allowing for a tighter grip on the end. (pic)

There is a wide show of them all. (pic)

Close up lengthwise shot of a couple of rows. You can see that the mesh is bowed inward along the rows of bases. (pic)

Now, yes, I have the locking hood. After everything was put together on the grill, I just slid the top part of the grill back onto the Jeep and aligned the holes. Then with a baby wire cutter proceeded to cut around the lock and tried to make an even 8-bit circle. You can see this circle cut out in a few of the picts.

There is a shot of the entire grill with it installed (pic) as well as what looks like a crappy close up one of the hood lock. (pic)

After installing everything back, and making sure the lights still worked, I pushed into the mesh some, and it feels real tight and sturdy. With all of the cutting, washing painting drying attaching zipping cutting and everything else it did take a while start to finish. But it is finally done and over with.

Now, to hopefully attach all these pics. Again, sorry if these are out f order and not able to add them inline with the proper text.
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Old 08-28-2011, 12:30 AM   #2
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Freaking awesome thanks for the info this shld be a sticky
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Well holy crap that is alot more high tech than when I did mine... hehe.

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... So I took one of the baking pans, poured 45 of the zip tie mounting bases in it, and poured in that aspha whatever paint stripper solution until it covered them all. ...
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Nice write-up Mykll! Bed-liner coated wire mesh was a great idea!
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I was going back and forth on the velcro versus 3M whatever tape. As far as I know, I'm the first (well here anyway, I never search anywhere else) that is using velcro. Guess time will tell how well this works. It is indoor/outdoor and water resistant. Able to adjust it or even take the screen off for washing or re-painting. I dunno, guess we will see.

Edit: Yeah, that, thanks UHB! lol

Edit 2: Thanks everyone! I see some mistakes, I wrote it in a hurry. The original mesh was obviously your silver wire mesh, and because it was fine, it felt like all it would do is ginsu up the bugs and then they would cook on the radiator. I knew I would end up bending the mesh, and figured regular paint would both crack and still leave the mesh "sharp". So, bought the bedliner in a can. I probably had enough for 5 generous layers in a single can without doing a test run first. The feel of it afterwards felt like your normal bedliner, that plastic rubbery feel, so no sharp wires. I was worried about it vibrating against the plastic grill and scratching, but with the bedliner I don't think I would have to worry anymore. It being a flat black color is for me a bonus as well. Hopefully there will be no rust/corrosion as well.
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10 day weather forcast says that today is the last of the 105+ degree heat, and tomorrow is the last of the 100+ heat. After that 8 days of upper and mid 90s. Still no rain in forcast.

So, on only 5 straight 105+ days everything is still holding up. I expect it to remain the same in cooler temps. We will see when it rains (although did hose it down Sunday) and when the temps really drop for the winter.

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So how much did it all run ya price wise?
I did this and turned out perfect. Used super glue to hold down the tie blocks.
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I had to buy everything but Goo Gone and some unused red rags laying around. It was right around $55-$60 for everything. Most people already have some sort of paint thinner or something and zip ties laying around, which would have save about $10.

Edit: Also, if you lived in a real city, the mesh would have been cheaper, and probably already black. Bedliner in a can was $9, more savings if I could have found what I really wanted locally.
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Why not come from the factory like this? Your's look like factory great job!!
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Looks good enough, can look better. But at least you can easily mod it and make it look how you want fairly cheaply. Black, silver, whatever other color. You can turn the mesh 45 degrees and get a diamond look. One guy made chain mail. There is also the wide diamond look, where you can turn em sideways or up and down.
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I followed this guide pretty closely with good results. There isn't a lot more for me to add.

My first worry is that the bedliner coating will not stick to the wire after a little wear, being washed with a brush, so on. No big deal but we will see how it goes. Some of it came off just when handling the wire. It was dry at that point, but I'm sure not totally. The stuff was coming off as a dry grit though. The already black colored mesh might be better. I don't know.

Secondly, I would probably cut the wire into strips if I had it to do over again. There is some tension between the velcro/mounts and the screen due to the distance between the mounting base and the plane the screen is on. It was difficult to effectively make the velcro attachment when having to push down on the screen between grill vents. Cutting strips would relieve some of this pull and make it easier to properly seat the velcro.

I just peeled the sticky stuff off the wire tie mounts. It took some time but came right off.

This turned out to be a great guide. It was my first project ever on my first Jeep ever... '12 Rubicon. It's a must, especially with my black paint. That silver radiator does nothing to help appearance. All the stuff is at Lowes for $30-$40 and that would probably do 3 kits. It took about 2 hours, most of it was taking sticky foam off mounts and threading wire ties through screen and mounts. Get a second person to help with stripping the mounts and definitely strip them while you are coating your screen with bedliner and it is drying if you do it this way.

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Looks good. I to used the cable tie bases, but simply peeled the sticky off and superglued them to the grille Used a piece of expanded aluminium mesh from the local auto shop, advertised as radiator grill mesh...



Bit hard to see behind the bar and lights!

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That looks really good. It probably would save money to buy a strip of mesh like that. The wire was like $10 and bedliner was around $9. If I have to replace my wire I will definitely look into that!
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That looks really nice. Good job Mykll!
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great write-up/photo report.

Wish I had the drive to get this project done.

I'm still languishing over the 'attach thermo inserts to Freedom Top panels' project.
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My first worry is that the bedliner coating will not stick to the wire after a little wear, being washed with a brush, so on. No big deal but we will see how it goes. Some of it came off just when handling the wire. It was dry at that point, but I'm sure not totally. The stuff was coming off as a dry grit though. The already black colored mesh might be better. I don't know.
Took me well over a week to find any mesh I liked locally. So I was stuck with the silver and paint method. I did spray the bed liner on a day that I later found out hit 108 or so. Three layers and let it dry each time. Some of the built up grit did come off with handling but it also had a thick (for a thin wire) layer of bedliner. I am hoping it lasts a long time, being bed liner and all. I carefully inspect it once a week. So far still fully coated and all Velcro sticking very well. If you can already find black mesh one less thing to worry about.

Oh, and if you do ever notice the Berliner coming off, the Velcro makes it easy to rip out, touch up, and put back in.

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Secondly, I would probably cut the wire into strips if I had it to do over again. There is some tension between the velcro/mounts and the screen due to the distance between the mounting base and the plane the screen is on. It was difficult to effectively make the velcro attachment when having to push down on the screen between grill vents. Cutting strips would relieve some of this pull and make it easier to properly seat the velcro.
After I Velcroed and tied one strip down, the next one I would bend a little bit to help take away difference. Then stick a narrow tool through the mesh, smash down the base and move it up and down to make the Velcro grip. Took some work, so far they still are all stuck together. In fact you can still rip it out and carefully bend it a little and put it back in. Maybe, not sure how well you can do that once the ties are tied tight.

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Looks good. I to used the cable tie bases, but simply peeled the sticky off and superglued them to the grille Used a piece of expanded aluminium mesh from the local auto shop, advertised as radiator grill mesh...
Something like that is what I was trying to find. The right height, already black and everything else. Looks good!

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That looks really good. It probably would save money to buy a strip of mesh like that. The wire was like $10 and bedliner was around $9. If I have to replace my wire I will definitely look into that!
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That looks really nice. Good job Mykll!
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great write-up/photo report.
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Something I just thought about. I bought the hot head liners for my hard top. The side windows only come as Velcro because the 3M tape wasn't thick enough. I posted some pictures of that Velcro. The guy uses your normal thick carpet Velcro, not the thin stuff I used here. Well he doubled up the Velcro to make it stick out a little more. Should be able to use the same trick here that can eliminate that problem here.
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Yes, doubling the velcro is a great idea. I didn't think of that and it can easily be done if I ever have the need to take the wire out!

The bedliner seems pretty stout almost 24 hours later. I did have to touch up a few spots after installation. I used a Q-tip and just blew on the sections that filled a whole square on the screen with bedliner paint to get the bubbles to pop and open the screen again.

I love the way this looks. I keep walking around the front to get a view of mine. Thanks so much for the guide.
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Great job and write up! Looks good.
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Dont velcro use gorilla glue super glue it works and is faster and use the plastic gutter guards from a home depot i did mine and spent about 20-30 bucks for the hole setup with the 1 x 1 tie down pieces.

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