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Old 05-02-2011, 12:23 AM   #1
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Need help quick in regards to tires and lift.

So I pulled the trigger and got a 11 JK. Now I want to lift it and put 33x12.5x 15 or 16 inch rims on it. What backspacing do I need? I saw some Cragers with backspacing of 3.75 will this work? How bad will it be sticking outside the fender?

My buddies jeeps use the spacers and one of theirss is actually starting to sag on the passenger side which is making it lean to that side.

I want to a lift but I want to do it right. Seems the only "right" way to do it is shocks springs and brackets.True?

Only brand I've really heard about is teraflex but they seem expensive than other kits.

I want a kit that levels out the stance.

kit with 2.5 inch lift

Gives great axle movement over rocks. I know using the spacers it doesn't allow the axle to fully flex because of the stock shocks being the limiting factor, from what I've read.

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So I pulled the trigger and got a 11 JK.
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Now I want to lift it and put 33x12.5x 15 or 16 inch rims on it. What backspacing do I need? I saw some Cragers with backspacing of 3.75 will this work? How bad will it be sticking outside the fender?
I'm not the best on this. Stock wheels have about 6.25" of backspacing, so 3.75" will be out pretty far. The preferred backspacing seems to be around 4.5", though there's plenty of variety. Careful with 15" wheels as not all of them will clear the JK's calipers. There are some threads identifying specifc ones that fit.

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My buddies jeeps use the spacers and one of theirss is actually starting to sag on the passenger side which is making it lean to that side.
If this is actually related to your friend's spacers, they are either installed improperly, defective, or broken. This shouldn't happen. It might also be a coil spring problem or he may have added a bunch of weight to just one side of the Jeep. Whatever the case, he should look into it.

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I want to a lift but I want to do it right. Seems the only "right" way to do it is shocks springs and brackets.True?
No. Spacers are fine as part of an overall approach. You can do it "better" with new springs etc., but you can do it "right" with spacers.

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Only brand I've really heard about is teraflex but they seem expensive than other kits.
They seem reasonably priced to me for where they are in the market place. Also consider Old Man Emu. There are a lot of others too.

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I want a kit that levels out the stance. kit with 2.5 inch lift
As I understand it, most kits will level. If they don't, you can add a spacer up front to achieve it.

2.5" is the limit of where you'd want to go with a 2 door JK before you need to start addressing driveshaft issues (adds $$), especially if you've got an auto transmission. A four door or manual transmission can handle that better. If you've got a 2 door auto, consider keeping it 2" and under.

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Gives great axle movement over rocks. I know using the spacers it doesn't allow the axle to fully flex because of the stock shocks being the limiting factor, from what I've read.
You're confused here. Whether you have spacers is unrelated to whether you get new shocks. I just put in spacers with new shocks.

However, if you're looking for axle movement/flex for "real" rock crawling, you're likely getting into a whole new price level.

If you're just looking for some room to flex while you're riding basic trails and uneven terrain, then spacers could again be fine as part of an overall approach--specifically one that would include new shocks and extended brake lines.

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I agree with MTH that is a lot of backspacing....I went with a wheel that had 4.75 and I am very happy with the fitment. Sticks out just a hair (1 inch) from the stock Sahara fenders.

Here is a pick of mine so you can see the stance. Sorry I don't have a shot right in line with the fenders to show the tires in that fashion.

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Old 05-02-2011, 01:26 PM   #4
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Thanks guys!

The guy at the local 4x4 shop said I need to get a new traction bar and some bar for the rear axle. I though it was kinda of excessive for just a simple 2.5 inch lift.
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Its not excessive. Those parts he is referring to will recenter your axles under the jeep.
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What about using a 5 or 4.5 backspacing?
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Its not excessive. Those parts he is referring to will recenter your axles under the jeep.
Yep, KBR97 has got.

Take a look at this diagram, which comes from this short wiki article on "track bars." Looking at the diagram and noting how the track bar is attached, consider what happens if you raise the chassis of the vehicle.

You've got some play, but not that much. Many coil lifts that say they'll lift you 2" or 2.5" really lift more like 3" or 3.5".
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I'm not the best on this. Stock wheels have about 6.25" of backspacing, so 3.75" will be out pretty far. The preferred backspacing seems to be around 4.5", though there's plenty of variety. Careful with 15" wheels as not all of them will clear the JK's calipers. There are some threads identifying specifc ones that fit.



If this is actually related to your friend's spacers, they are either installed improperly, defective, or broken. This shouldn't happen. It might also be a coil spring problem or he may have added a bunch of weight to just one side of the Jeep. Whatever the case, he should look into it.



No. Spacers are fine as part of an overall approach. You can do it "better" with new springs etc., but you can do it "right" with spacers.



They seem reasonably priced to me for where they are in the market place. Also consider Old Man Emu. There are a lot of others too.



As I understand it, most kits will level. If they don't, you can add a spacer up front to achieve it.

2.5" is the limit of where you'd want to go with a 2 door JK before you need to start addressing driveshaft issues (adds $$), especially if you've got an auto transmission. A four door or manual transmission can handle that better. If you've got a 2 door auto, consider keeping it 2" and under.



You're confused here. Whether you have spacers is unrelated to whether you get new shocks. I just put in spacers with new shocks.

However, if you're looking for axle movement/flex for "real" rock crawling, you're likely getting into a whole new price level.

If you're just looking for some room to flex while you're riding basic trails and uneven terrain, then spacers could again be fine as part of an overall approach--specifically one that would include new shocks and extended brake lines.

Ive got a 6 speed... only way to go in a jeep IMO lol. If the clutch was hard and not hydraulic I would have to get a auto (left knee is bad from hockey injury and I'm only 23 yaa me lol) I was def looking at something that came with shocks atleast. Now I'm sure they all have different valving so each shock is different. I want something that is pretty much rides like stock or a little better.

We go up to Uwharrie and my buddy with 33 and 2.5 lift went through everything and never got stuck at all. This was mostly mud and dry dirt. There was some rocks but not like "rock climbing" where there is nothing but rocks.
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I'd do this for a 2 door or this for a a 4 door and declare victory. It'll probably shake out to a little over 2" of lift.

No one will ever say you don't have a top notch suspension, and it'll drive better than stock. You'll easily fit 33s and with wheels with 4.5" backspacing you won't rub on turns.

Careful going too big on the tires or you'll be considering a "regearing" for another $1500. Did you get a Rubicon or the "tow package"? Those come with better axle ratios for purposes of bigger tires.
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Yep, that's fine too. Less pricey than the OME one I recommended, which would have replaced the coils etc.
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In your fiorst post you said spring, shocks and brackets to do it right. I have to disagree no the brackets. You want new adjustable trackbars to reduce the chance of breakage. Also look into adjustable control arms in order to get your alignment spot on. The reason i went with the lift I did is because it came with replacement parts with adjustablility and stronger construction instead of adding a bracket to a mount increasing the failure rate.
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Thanks Mike. Mine is a 373. I researched what options really mattered.
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2.5" Lift Kit with ES9000 Shocks by Pro Comp and Other Jeep Parts and Jeep Accessories by 4 Wheel Drive Hardware-RH1

This is middle ground between the one I showed you and the one you showed me. But I don't know how good they really are or how they ride.
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In your fiorst post you said spring, shocks and brackets to do it right. I have to disagree no the brackets. You want new adjustable trackbars to reduce the chance of breakage. Also look into adjustable control arms in order to get your alignment spot on. The reason i went with the lift I did is because it came with replacement parts with adjustablility and stronger construction instead of adding a bracket to a mount increasing the failure rate.
Was that with a pre-done kit GrmnCrsNBr, or did you assemble various materials to put together your own kit? It'd be good to post a link if you could to a pre-done kit for the OP to get some more ideas.

No doubt, track bar and control arms would be better. Just keep in mind that you can always get better. Something can be done right without being done better than anything else. In my view, the basic TeraFlex kits and other bracket-based kits do fine. Not the best, but you're not paying for the best.

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2.5" Lift Kit with ES9000 Shocks by Pro Comp and Other Jeep Parts and Jeep Accessories by 4 Wheel Drive Hardware-RH1

This is middle ground between the one I showed you and the one you showed me. But I don't know how good they really are or how they ride.
I never hear anything good about Pro Comp. They are 4wd.com's house brand, so they push them like crazy. However, I've never ridden in a Jeep with them and have never heard of anybody actually say they have a problem with them. They're just pointed to as a "house brand" and said to be of relatively low quality. Purely what I've heard though--no first hand experience. Could be great for all I know.
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Was that with a pre-done kit GrmnCrsNBr, or did you assemble various materials to put together your own kit? It'd be good to post a link if you could to a pre-done kit for the OP to get some more ideas.

No doubt, track bar and control arms would be better. Just keep in mind that you can always get better. Something can be done right without being done better than anything else. In my view, the basic TeraFlex kits and other bracket-based kits do fine. Not the best, but you're not paying for the best.
Wednesday I am having the Full Traction 3in Long Arm Kit installed which is just their Ultimate kit with the Adjustable long arms instead of adjustable control arms. Comes with heavy duty adjustable front and rear track bars as well. The one thing you will notice though is price does go up as you add things such as adjustable arms. I have always been of the mindset of do it once (outside of possible breakage from wheeling of course). If you really want to lift it look around at kits and add on parts and build the kit that will fit you long term instead of adding to it more and more. Thats just me though.

I can understand the brackets working but I have seen alot of failed bracket threads. Djstorm, what kind of wheeling do you plan on doing? That can make a huge difference. It sounds like you plan on doign a lot of flexing and if thats case personally I would look more into adjustable bars.

Doing research there arent many prebuilt kits at that lift that come with adjustable control arms and such. Terraflex does make adjustable components that you could add for a more bulletproof build.
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I went 9" wide with 4.5" back space and the are just past the fenders
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I since traded my 2 door in to the 4 door

I had oringally had a 2 door as seen here:


2.5 4 door kit spring Teraflex lift
Ace engineering rock sliders
15 crager rims
33 inch duratrac tires
Warn 9500 cti winch
LOD front bumper
KC driving lights 100 watts
KC long rang 135 watts
Dynomax exhaust

Working on making a wiring harness for accessories that I plan on selling to jeep owners.

Enough talking here are some pictures. It first looked like this...





Now this!












I parted most of it out and got this.

3inch Teraflex lift
LOD bumper
Procomp 16 inch
315/75/16 Duratracs
Warn 9.5 winch.
KC lights 130's and 100's
JKS Front track bar

I have more parts arriving through out the week as well!

Here they are!
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Thinking about painting the front grill black, not sure yet. I need need to add the lights to the windshield! (see below I swapped with a buddy of mine that has his painted black)

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Looks good! I like the LOD stuff too. I was just talking to my wife about painting my grill, it looks cool on your Jeep. When I bought my light mounts they did not have any gasket for protecting the paint. I cut a neoprene cuzzie in half and then cut the halves down to match the mounts, the homemade gaskets worked great. Maybe I'll see you at Uwharrie some day.
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