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Old 01-09-2013, 06:24 PM   #1
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Question Need help with first Jeep purchase, help me negotiate my options please.

My purpose for the car is a new addition to the family and no way to fit 3 car seats/booster seats in my Subaru STI (safely anyway).
We live in Delaware so pretty much flat as a pancake but there are places very near me to take advantage of the off-road capabilities of a Wrangler and I love the idea of having a nice larger sized truck to carry family gear, take the top/doors off in the summer and take it on the beach when we go down to the DE shore. I will obviously miss the performance of the Subaru but I will gain quite a bit to distract me for years to come.
I will use it as a DD and with my 11mile commute to work will put very few miles on it and really nothing over 55mph 90% of the time. I also will not likely take it off-road often unless I get over to the canal and it's a ton of fun in which case I could easily see me going with a lift and 35's along with all the appropriate recovery gear in no time.

At first I wanted the Moab in white with body colored everything, leather, etc... basically loaded. I am going with the automatic and didn't know enough about the Tru-Lok when I first did the build out to know to pick or not.

I then saw and read more about the Rubicon, specifically the 10th Anniversary with red leather and Anvil color along with all the other cool goodies. Gotta have a car with some sort of scoop or vent in the hood

Then I read more about the different drive lines in the two models being Sahara based and Rubicon based and how with the winters here being far more ice/slush then snow I thought well maybe with my lack of need for true rock crawling I should go back to the Moab idea. A Moab full kitted up will cost me about the same as the 10th Anniversary with a couple mods like hard top and auto which is all I would likely get.

If I go with the Moab is the Tru-Lok option a locked rear when turned on but a limited slip when off making inclement weather easier to deal with or will it be an open differential like the Rubicon?

I know already the tires on the Moab are more appropriate for what I would likely encounter on the road with the weather and such, right?

The dune color is intriguing as we already have another white Odyssey so I don't really want to go with white for that reason and could go with Dune with body matched top, brown leather, etc... but I don't want to give up on my 10th Anniversary unless there was a distinct reason I would be better suited to the Moab.

I read somewhere, if you have to ask if a Rubicon is for you, it's not. While I tend to agree with things like that I've never set foot into a 4x4 so if I end up loving romping in the mud and hills I won't be able to just trade in my Moab for a Rubicon down the road so I have to make the right decision first.

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Old 01-09-2013, 06:36 PM   #2
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10th Anniversary is sick, if they are both within your price point i'd choose the Rubi. I'm in a similar commuting situation and love the room of the Unlimited.

Moab is nice, mostly aesthetic but you get some fun items in the 10th Anniversary that you can't in the regular rubicon.

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Old 01-09-2013, 06:44 PM   #3
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If the Moab or 10th Anv is what you really want....get it. If you don't get it, you will be upset with yourself later on.

Just remember...
Trac-Lok is the Limited Slip for the Wrangler
Tru-Lok is the Locker for the Wrangler

Rock-Trac is the transfer case for the Rubi
Command-Trac is the transfer case for the non-Rubi Wranglers (and other Jeeps)

True-trac is an aftermarket Limited Slip that is much better than the Trac-Lok

Easy to get that stuff mixed up. Basically, don't order a Moab with Tru-Lock...order a Rubi instead....it only locks the rear axle on the Moab.

And ordering a Moab with Trac-Lok is basically ordering a well dressed Sahara.

If I had that budget, I would lean 10th Anv. Just understand what you are and are not getting.
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Old 01-09-2013, 07:08 PM   #4
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My biggest concern is I will regret having a rubicon able to crawl rocks in the mountains (not applicable to me) but perform worse in the rain and snow (very applicable to me) then the Sahara trak lok and command trak
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Also optioned very similar they are nearly a wash in cost like a thousand or two different.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:35 PM   #6
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Sounds absurd, but I would go with the 10A if the color suits you. Like it was mentioned earlier, it will have some goodies that you can't get in regular Rubicons. The MOAB is only dressed up like a Rubicon. The 10A is the Rubicon dressed up with better stuff. I myself went with Sahara because I was imptient and the 10A didn't have colors I really loved.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:25 PM   #7
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I was in the same boat of Moab vs. Rubi (although not the 10A). In my breakdown, I lean towards the 4.1 gears because I plan on towing a goodly amount, and do some Colorado highway driving in most summers.

For me, I couldn't justify the higher cost for the Moab for just a hood and some other cosmetics. The bumpers are nice, but meh. Also, I loathe leather seats.

Even if the Moab offered the dana front 44 and front lockers, I still don't think the extra $2500 over a stock Rubi is justified.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:30 PM   #8
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Rubi. Maybe, maybe, just maybe the LSD is enough of an improvement over the Rubi selectable to benefit you in some situations. But the lockers on the Rubi - my goodness. If you ever need them, there is nothing like them. Not to mention the sway bar disco, which really contributes not only to capability but comfort.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:03 PM   #9
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Just a little story for the Jeep crowd to show I somehow it is meant to be.

I have two boys 4 and 2 years old with another on they way.

My boys LOVE my STI, the G force they feel like they are on a ride every time they are in my car and love every minute.

Here's the conversation with my 4 year old the other day, mind you I never once talked about a Jeep in front of him ever.

Me: Hey Aidan would you be upset if Daddy sold his race car?
Aidan: Well, yeah I like your race car.
Me: Well what if instead Daddy had a big truck like maybe a Jeep?
Aidan: Ohhhh, yeah I like that but only if the doors and roof come off!!! (literally he was almost yelling with excitement and also recall I've never shown him a Jeep, talked about a Jeep, or prepped him in any way)
Me: Uh, well as a matter of fact they do, so it works out then, you will like that better huh?
Aidan: (chanting) JEEP, JEEP, JEEP, JEEP... Yeah Daddy that would be cool!
Me: Hey Aidan how did you know the doors and roof come off of the Jeeps?
Aidan: Godzilla!
Me: WHAT? how does that work out?
Aidan: I watched a Godzilla show on Netflix and it had a Jeep with no doors or roof and I thought that was cool.

With that being said I showed him pictures of the white Moab, Billet 10th A, White 10th A, Anvil 10th A, Black Rubicon, and a couple other randoms.....

He definitively picked out the Anvil 10thA without a single prompt and it wasn't even the first one he saw... We looked through 2-3 other colors and models before getting to the Anvil 10thA and when he saw that one he pointed it out right away.

I don't know if I believe in fate but hell I don't have another explanation for how all that went down over the last couple days.

If I ever wonder one day how I ended up in a Jeep being a sports car guy I have fatherhood and my oldest boy to thank. I couldn't possibly ever forget those moments.
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My biggest concern is I will regret having a rubicon able to crawl rocks in the mountains (not applicable to me) but perform worse in the rain and snow (very applicable to me) then the Sahara trak lok and command trak
With regards to rain and snow performance... it's not anything that different tires or driving slower can't fix. Just cause it's a 4x4 doesn't mean you should drive it like an STi.
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When I traded in my '08 Rescue Green Sahara(1st Jeep and best car I have EVER loved), my kids pointed out a Crush Jeep at the dealership. They didn't like the Commando Green that I liked. They are 11 and 9, boy and girl respectively. When I was young I dreamed of driving a Jeep with my kids in the back. So I let them lead me towards the Crush. Follow your son's lead, which I think sounds like a win-win in this situation. You will need to post pics when you get it in March. And get the dual tops, they are worth it!
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Old 01-12-2013, 04:10 PM   #12
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So we stopped by the dealer today, Aidan and I and test drove an Unlimited Rubicon to get an idea what I was in for. Definitely a quieter and smoother ride then my STI which is kind of funny that going with a supremely offroad capable Jeep Wrangler I'm going to get a smoother and quieter ride then my current daily driver.

He seems to like the Anvil color when I show him pictures but I still have a nagging concern that the blue will look to "baby blue." My current plan is to get the 10th Anniversary Unlimited in Anvil with body colored hard top and black fenders. I think the painted fenders make it look like "any other" jeep especially with the painted hard top so a little upscale with the painted top and a little rugged with the black fenders. Besides when the soft top is up all summer it will have black fenders and top.

Now just to negotiate the best price I can at or below affiliate pricing for the order.

Anyone else putting in an order on Tuesday? If so what pricing is everyone getting or expecting to get. Looks like optioned up with auto, remote start, auto A/C, and painted hard top I'm looking at 40,803.79 plus taxes and tags. Thats an estimate of course as I don't have a hard number for invoice yet due to that info not being out yet.
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^Like any other Rubicon, if you option the painted top you will have to option the painted flares
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^Like any other Rubicon, if you option the painted top you will have to option the painted flares
thanks for the info. I thought since it was two different options and wasn't set to require that upgrade as well that is was seperate.

The press photos so far show one of the 10th in Anvil with painted top and black fenders but clearly they are simply pre-production vehicles anyway. If they are required I will include them. As of right now I am definitely more of a mall crawler due to my inexperience. If it ever takes me down a heavy offroading path I will simply upgrade them to something metal.
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Old 01-12-2013, 05:38 PM   #15
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Based on your initial post of which model I am going to say no to a rubicon. If money is a non issue then sure get whatever. Since you are posting on an off road forum everyone is going to say get the rubicon, but I would bet only 5% of those people that buy a rubicon really need it. I am not saying this is your case, but a lot of people think they have to have a rubicon if they want to ever go off road. I think a sahara would be your ideal vehicle for what you described. Load it up with all the stuff you want and you may be under the rubicon price. Enjoy your Jeep either way, I am sure your boys will love it!
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Rubi. Maybe, maybe, just maybe the LSD is enough of an improvement over the Rubi selectable to benefit you in some situations. But the lockers on the Rubi - my goodness. If you ever need them, there is nothing like them. Not to mention the sway bar disco, which really contributes not only to capability but comfort.

Speaking of LSD, have you seen the flourescent Lime color Jeep?

VERY intrigueing, but I went for basic black, as I'm a night person.
The Lime is VERY cool however!

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