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Old 10-24-2011, 03:24 PM   #1
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Need some help deciding between two vehicles

Hey all, I'm still trying to decide what I'm potentially "upgrading" to from my Nissan 350Z. I'm looking between the 2012 JKU with the Sport S package (power locks/windows/etc. added to base sport model) and a 2012 Xterra Pro-4X. I'm hoping someone can give me some reasons why the JKU would be a better choice. I'm looking at 2012's for both and MT for both. I like both vehicles and configuration-wise they're within a few hundred $$$ of each other before haggling, discounts, etc.

I just can't really find anything so far to push me over the edge to actually pick one or the other though I was interested in and started looking at Xterra long before the Jeep. Part of that was leftover "stigma" from having driven my Dad's old mid-90's Wrangler (square headlight model, 2 door of course at that time) and being extremely uneasy with its "squirrely" handling and feeling like it would tip over on a corner. I don't have that feeling at all in the 4 door 2011/2012 versions though.

Use-wise the vehicle I end up with will mostly be a DD to/from work about 5 miles each way. There will be the occasional camping trip and potentially some off road use, though I mostly want the off road capability to just "be there" in case I really want it. I figure why buy an SUV if it can't go off road at some point so that's why I've really only been looking at these two particular vehicles. I suspect I would actually probably do some offroading if I picked either up as it would replace the club drives I currently do with my 350Z to hit the windy twisty mountain roads.

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Can you take the top and doors off the Nissan?

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Well, I have an Xterra SE and also an 89YJ and 10 Rubi. Apples and oranges. We love the Jeeps. The Xterra is just utility. Can't put something the size of plywood in 2dr Wranglers.
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i did do some looking at the exterra before i bought my 08 rubicon a month or so ago. offroad the jeep is more competant out of the box. the jeep you can take the doors and top off. you can get a 4 door "suv" with the jeep.

the nissan can be built up pretty well (just as much as a jeep i would imagine) and you get the comfort knowing you will never have any roof leaks or water issues in the vehicle. you do get a more "traditional" suv and i would imagine there is more room in the back, and it can tow more. the xterra's V6 is awesome.

it kinda depends on what you are looking for. personally myself... if my 4 door jeep were all i had i would be ok. it kinda fits all my needs. its nice, though, that i have a work truck and the wife has a nice "comfy" suv.
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Can you take the top and doors off the Nissan?
Hehe, no, and that's one of the big things really drawing me to the Jeep btw. I just get a little nervous when I read about the leaking issues and wondering if I'm going to have any big problems either in the form of big leak issues themselves or just issues from minor leaks like rust or mold or something. I think to be honest the leak thing is also probably the one point keeping me from tipping over the edge and deciding Jeep lol.

FWIW I was planning on doing the hardtop only, but potentially might get both. Either way the 3 piece hardtop is something I would be for sure getting. Though I have to admit after driving a soft top on Saturday I was quite surprised by how quiet it was. I had my Z in for service and walked over to the Jeep dealer because I knew they had 2012's in stock and I wanted to test the new engine (had previously test driven a 2011 Sahara with hard top).

EDIT: I briefly looked at the Liberty just because the dealer told me it's supposed to match up more with the Xterra but I just couldn't see paying a similar price for the old SOHC 210HP V6 and worse mileage not to mention less off road utility and much smaller interior.
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Can you take the top and doors off the Nissan?
^This...

It is pretty much impossible to compare a Wrangler to any other SUV out there.
A fully loaded 4 door Sahara can make a decent (if not overpriced) SUV (leather, Nav, remote start, ect)....but no other SUV can be a "Jeep".

Almost all of them will be more fuel efficient, quieter, and cheaper (basically, more vehicle for your money)...but none of them will be a Wrangler.

Good Luck....
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Hehe, no, and that's one of the big things really drawing me to the Jeep btw. I just get a little nervous when I read about the leaking issues and wondering if I'm going to have any big problems either in the form of big leak issues themselves or just issues from minor leaks like rust or mold or something. I think to be honest the leak thing is also probably the one point keeping me from tipping over the edge and deciding Jeep lol.

FWIW I was planning on doing the hardtop only, but potentially might get both. Either way the 3 piece hardtop is something I would be for sure getting. Though I have to admit after driving a soft top on Saturday I was quite surprised by how quiet it was. I had my Z in for service and walked over to the Jeep dealer because I knew they had 2012's in stock and I wanted to test the new engine (had previously test driven a 2011 Sahara with hard top).

EDIT: I briefly looked at the Liberty just because the dealer told me it's supposed to match up more with the Xterra but I just couldn't see paying a similar price for the old SOHC 210HP V6 and worse mileage not to mention less off road utility and much smaller interior.
The Liberty is more capable then most people think. The 3.7 is a beast and the difference in MPG is negligible. My wife and I compared it against the Xterra and chose the Liberty.

The leak issue is overblown. It is a vocal minority. No one is seeking out an internet forum to proclaim that they don't have any leaks. Many of the issues are user error which no one will admit on an internet forum. The only time my soft top ever leak was when I accidentally tore a piece of the weatherstripping. I replaced it and haven't had a leak since.

Don't buy a house because the roof might leak. Instead move into a ground floor apartment so that you never have to deal with leaks.
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This is like going into a Harley Davidson forum and asking why should I buy a Harley over a Honda.

Saying that; like a Harley there is just a better American pride and thrill from owning a Real Jeep then buying a Japanese wannabee. If you don't drive a Jeep and say right then I have to own one then you probably should get the Xterra. Not knocking the Xterra one bit but is ain't no Jeep with the top down or the prestige of owning the real thing
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The Liberty is more capable then most people think. The 3.7 is a beast and the difference in MPG is negligible. My wife and I compared it against the Xterra and chose the Liberty.

The leak issue is overblown. It is a vocal minority. No one is seeking out an internet forum to proclaim that they don't have any leaks. Many of the issues are user error which no one will admit on an internet forum. The only time my soft top ever leak was when I accidentally tore a piece of the weatherstripping. I replaced it and haven't had a leak since.

Don't buy a house because the roof might leak. Instead move into a ground floor apartment so that you never have to deal with leaks.

Thanks, I suspected that was probably the case with the leak thing, but when you read comments like "all Jeeps leak, it's a Jeep thing" it kinda makes you wonder lol. I do have one question on the dimension specs from the Jeep site though. It might require someone to run out to their JKU with a tape measure to confirm for me though.

The specs list the overall length of the vehicle as 173 inches. Can anyone confirm if that is including the spare tire? If it's not does anyone have a figure for length including it? I know it may sound silly but due to a "flying rat" (pigeon) problem in our neighborhood I want to be able to keep the Wrangler in the garage if it will fit so the paint doesn't get destroyed by daily bird bombings from the roof to the driveway.
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I have a 2dr, but I'm sure someone with an Unlimited would be glad to help you out.
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This is like going into a Harley Davidson forum and asking why should I buy a Harley over a Honda.

Saying that; like a Harley there is just a better American pride and thrill from owning a Real Jeep then buying a Japanese wannabee. If you don't drive a Jeep and say right then I have to own one then you probably should get the Xterra. Not knocking the Xterra one bit but is ain't no Jeep with the top down or the prestige of owning the real thing

That's the problem, I test drove the 2011, and now the 2012, and I DO like it The problem is I like/liked the Xterra too. I think at this point I'm more feeling pressure from the GF because she had an easier time getting in the Xterra but I told her either way I'm getting step rails which would help anyway. I think part of it is just being unsure due to little quirks I read about on the Jeep. Of course the Xterra isn't without them either and a big one is the reason why I was looking at a MT for it, the auto has a habit of tanking itself due to Nissan looping the trans oil through the main radiator and it eventually corrodes mixing coolant with trans oil. The transmission then proceeds to destroy itself due to that.

edit: Of course I realize what's going to happen when you ask a question like this, but those are exactly the kinds of opinions and thoughts I want to hear
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My brother-in-law has the Xterra and I have the unlimited. I am not impressed with his Xterra at all. It seems to be very heavy, kinda lika a tank. I love my Jeep but I have one of the leaky ones. Itís on its fourth attempt within the last two months. Just know that you might end up in my situation if you go with the Wrangler. You may have to make 4-10 trips to the service department if you get a leaky one. Other than the leak and my wife continuously busting her A$$ getting out of it, I love my Jeep. In the end it might be bought back, Iím just waiting to hear back from Chrysler.
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My opinion is a little slanted, because I don't need a DD, my 4x4 is just for fun, but I've hadem both an '06 Xterra OR (mod) and the '08 JKUR (mod)



The Xterra (I don't know changes in the last 6 years) can be a very capable off-road vehicle, but must be very modified-

It is slightly superior to the Jeep on freeways, ie 265 hp and pure SUV comfort, but

It's IFS with an aluminum front diff and a LOW hanging alternator-even though the aftermarket has grown, it's still nowhere near the options available for the jeep-

The Xterra will get good mileage 18/21 mpg--untill you change gears and wheels/tires, just like the jeep-

I've got lotta pics-off-road/camping, but this isn't a sales brochure



Summary--If it's your DD with just light off-road--getta Xterra (OR)

If it's notta DD and you like to play off-road--getta new jeep !

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Hey wait a sec JIMBOX. That is where I bought my Jeep....
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kEWL, I ordered mine in early Oct and I pickedit up on 18 Oct-'08


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I'd ordered it off the internet and STEADS deal was by far the best-

Pretty good outfit, although I have no idea about their customer service, mine hasn't seen a dealer since that day !

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Saying that; like a Harley there is just a better American pride and thrill from owning a Real Jeep then buying a Japanese wannabee. If you don't drive a Jeep and say right then I have to own one then you probably should get the Xterra. Not knocking the Xterra one bit but is ain't no Jeep with the top down or the prestige of owning the real thing


thanks for the laugh.
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I wonder which side is more objective in their advice.

Here is the XTerra side of the story:

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"Stop thinking about this right now, get the Pro4X!!

As previously mentioned: rear locker, ascent/descent control and Nissan durability.

(begin rant...) I know it doesn't relate directly to the quality of the vehicle but I hate the generic, corporate direction Jeep is going. I see Jeep commercials on TV all the time and there is not a shred of any sort of off-pavement driving shown and the voiceovers only talk about highway fuel economy and cabin features."


Wow...
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Do you have any kids? Im 99% sure that the Xterra's back seat is the same size as my CC Frontier and its real tight back there for baby seats (hence the reason Im getting a JKU). The JKU is much bigger in the back. Well, not "much" but it is big enough to fit a rear facing baby seat behind the passenger while in my Frontier, it has to sit in the middle of the back seat, taking up the whole bench.
Also, Im not sure how the interior has changed since my Frontier's model year in 08, but the inside is real cheap looking and very plasticky. The JKU is much nicer inside. Step into a time machine and go back 10 years and tell someone that you are picking a Jeep over something else based on the interior quality and they would laugh at you.

Disclaimer: I just looked on Nissan's website and they state the X's back seats are less than an inch more in leg room than my CC Frontier. Jeep.com says the back seat leg room is a good 3" more in the JKU
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evidentally thats hard for you to understand ??


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"Stop thinking about this right now, get the Pro4X!!

As previously mentioned: rear locker, ascent/descent control and Nissan durability.

(begin rant...) I know it doesn't relate directly to the quality of the vehicle but I hate the generic, corporate direction Jeep is going. I see Jeep commercials on TV all the time and there is not a shred of any sort of off-pavement driving shown and the voiceovers only talk about highway fuel economy and cabin features."


Wow...
Probably because on this (READ ANY) jeep forum, there's never a bad word about Xterras/FJ40s or any other 4x4 !!!

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Can you take the top and doors off the Nissan?
What he said! That ought to decide it for you right there.
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evidentally thats hard for you to understand ??




Probably because on this (READ ANY) jeep forum, there's never a bad word about Xterras/FJ40s or any other 4x4 !!


Heh. Its not like Nissans are indestructible. In 53,000 miles mine has been in for warranty work for:

Both wiper nozzles cracked so the plastic cowl cover needed replacing
The ECU just started to throw errors and needed a reflash
My stereo went all crazy, flashing the LED display, crapping out then magically working again
U-Joints in drive shaft went out
TPMS sensor(s) went bad (I still have the warning flashing on my dash and dont feel like getting the new sensors as its out of b2b warranty)
--AND---Dont think only Jeeps have leaky roofs. The first week I had my truck the rain gutter that goes from the roof behind the windshield into the A-pillar got clogged and leaked inside. Dont ask me why water drains behind the windshield

I have to be forgetting a few things because I remember being in the shop for more than this. I am in no way bashing Nissan or my truck, because, frankly I still love it. The only reason Im getting a Jeep is because of the aforementioned rear seat size :/
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I wonder which side is more objective in their advice.

Here is the XTerra side of the story:

can't decide between Xterra Pro-4x or Wrangler unlimited - Nissan Xterra Forum: Xterra Forums
Doh, lol yeah I did ask in both places. Of course, for the reasons I stated earlier to get the opinions from people who drive them on why they like them and what they might see over the competition. R4D4R, nope no kids and no plans for any other than the furry variety.

I have to say I was pretty surprised by Jimbox's earlier post a couple hours ago.............
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Summary--If it's your DD with just light off-road--getta Xterra (OR)

If it's notta DD and you like to play off-road--getta new jeep !
One thing that was brought up in that other thread which surprised me and I'm not sure if the guy is accurate or not is that the Wrangler is better at rock crawling (obvious) but the Xterra was better for things like snow, slippery conditions, etc.? Not knowing any better I'm tempted to call BS, but I'm definitely curious about the validity of his statement.
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What he said! That ought to decide it for you right there.
Hehe yep that is a big thing that has been drawing me to the Jeep
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Probably because on this (READ ANY) jeep forum, there's never a bad word about Xterras/FJ40s or any other 4x4 !!!

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He didn't really say bad words about the Wrangler.... The part that kills me is his commentary on Jeep itself. There was talk that the Wrangler was on the verge of getting the axe a few years ago. And in a down economy, Wrangler sales are through the roof...while still being the most off-road capable production vehicle on the planet. Jeep went "corporate" (better mpg, updated interior, modern tranny)...and can't build them quick enough...yet he hates the direction Jeep is going?

That is the "wow" I was thinking of.
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Doh, lol yeah I did ask in both places. Of course, for the reasons I stated earlier to get the opinions from people who drive them on why they like them and what they might see over the competition. R4D4R, nope no kids and no plans for any other than the furry variety.

I have to say I was pretty surprised by Jimbox's earlier post a couple hours ago.............

One thing that was brought up in that other thread which surprised me and I'm not sure if the guy is accurate or not is that the Wrangler is better at rock crawling (obvious) but the Xterra was better for things like snow, slippery conditions, etc.? Not knowing any better I'm tempted to call BS, but I'm definitely curious about the validity of his statement.
The Xterra, with the IFS, does make it a little easier to mobile in snow, but it only has a rear locker and they're a little taller with a higher COG--

Slippery conditions take tires/speed control and driver input, doesn't matter what you're driving---

There isn't a "BEST" Tire, or a "BEST" off-road vehicle, they all have special applications-

One of my Long trips I drove my X for 17 hours straight, with ONE HAND on the wheel and The only thing tired at the end, was my eyes--sweet on the freeway-

I wouldn't turn down another 05/06 Xterra OR, as a second 4x4, but I'll keep my JKUR for the Sierras !!

Towing my trailer, was like a walk in the park/w the X, but not quite as versatile off-road as my jeep-and there were no kids during those times-

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