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Old 08-09-2012, 02:37 PM   #1
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Need some lift / bumper / winch / wheel advice

Ok so here goes.

I have a 2012 Rubicon 2 door 6 speed. My wife and I are planning on going to Rocktober with a local 4x4 club and we want to mod up the Jeep to have more fun than we usually do with the stock Rubi, although it is pretty good as is.

I would like to install a TeraFlex lift, I was planning on a 3" but am not opposed to a 4" lift. Also I would like to run 37's....I know this can be done if using flat fenders and the correct wheels and bumpstops but I need to know which wheels and bumpstops I can use. If I need to use the 4" lift instead of the 3", I need to know what else I would need above and beyond the lift kit. Also, if running 37's is a big no-no please let me know. I was planning on using the Bushwhacker flat fenders.

Wheels - if I can manage 37's, what backspacing do I need? What wheels are available with that type of backspacing? What diameter?

Winch/Bumpers - would like to get some advice on which bumpers to get to include a tire carrier on the back and winch brand/type. I'm brand new to this so don't flame me up too bad

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Old 08-09-2012, 11:21 PM   #2
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Get the 4" from Teraflex but your will need atleast front lowers and rear uppers if you're planning a short arm and you will definitely need front and rear driveshafts.

Here is our 2 door on 37s and 4.5" of lift.



It has lost both drive shafts at 23K miles. It has Teraflex Short Arms.

Here is our 2012 four door with 37s a teraflex long arm and 4" coils that netted about 5" of lift.


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Old 08-09-2012, 11:25 PM   #3
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A 4" kit should be minimum for 37s and you'll need 3" of bump stop with flat fenders.

Both of our rigs above rub our fenders when flexing out....

You'll have to trim your pinch seams and rubicon rock rails and either run a 1.5" wheel spacer with factory rims or aftermarket wheels with 4.5" of.back spacing or less.
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And the first photo isn't a poser, I tried to go up it but failed miserably...

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I want to come back and add to this as last night I was on my phone.

With that said,

Teraflex 3" coils will give your rig a 4-5" lift so you probably can get away with that. But their coils are known to sag over a while. Especially if you're adding heavy bumpers/tire carriers, winch and some armor. So I recommend buying their 4" kit.

I would probably stack a 1" coil spacer over the top of your front coils if your planning on doing the bumpers and lift at the same time. That way when the front springs settle you're not stuck with that stupid factory rake.
Whether you go with their short arms or long arms is up to you. But as a minimum you need front lowers and rear uppers. And you will need drive shafts.

You will need to address axle strengthening. By adding C gussets and Sleeving for the dana44 axle is considered cheap insurance while wheeling on 37s.
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Old 08-10-2012, 01:15 PM   #6
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I would suggest the 3.5" X Factor Midarm by Rock Krawler. On a 2 door you will net about 4" of lift. Both TF & Rk are great. Pluke is absolutely right on driveshafts, arms and axle strengthening. Research heavily

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Old 08-10-2012, 02:41 PM   #7
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Pluke is generally always right in the lift department
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Old 08-10-2012, 02:41 PM   #8
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And as Dan mentioned, i would look into sleeves/gussetting your front axle ESPECIALLY with 37s
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:57 PM   #9
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Great info guys, thanks!

Looks like 37's are just out of reach for me. I can handle the lift kit and wheels/tires, but the additional shafts and gusseting will put me over my targeted dollar figure. Not to mention the gussets would require that I take the Jeep to a shop for installation, and I'm trying to do this thing myself.

So I guess I'm back down to the TeraFlex 3" kit. You guys think the TERA-1256200 kit is good to go for some moderate off-road use and daily driving duties as well?

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Old 08-11-2012, 08:06 PM   #10
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Also, after searching around I found this thread, is what this guy did ok or just asking for trouble down the road (or trail)?

37's with 3" lift? - JKowners.com : Jeep Wrangler JK Forum
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You can run 37s with a small lift. You just got to add bump stops and you will need to trim your stock fenders or run aftermarket flat fenders...

But you should be strengthing your front axle with sleeves and gussets with both 35s and 37s.

The link above is a great kit. You will be happy with it. You don't need new drive shafts right away but one was going to break right away it will be the rear.

So sleeves and gussets installed should be less than 300..
And you should be running them if you plan on going off road.

There is a sleeve that you can DIY without a welder. Nitro Sleeves.
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If you're going to end up replacing your drive shafts, why not go with the taller lift? If I had to do it all again, I would have gone 4" off the bat..

Here's my rig with 37s and 2" OME coils with flat fenders.

(On the left. The Jeep on the right is our old 11 on TF 4")




2" with 37s









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Here is a 4" with 37s







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Id like to add that I wheeled a year on 35s and 37s without doing sleeves.and gussets. Our 2012 jkur on 37s still doesnt have any sleeves and gussets yet.

And I went 2 years without drive shaft issues.
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Here is my current shopping list, let me know if any of these sites/vendors I should stay away from or there is somewhere else to get a better deal:

Local 4wd shop to add gussets/sleeves

4wheelonline.com
Bushwhacker flat fenders
TF 3" lift kit with the four arms
Bestop Trektop (mine came with hardtop, don't want to run that on the trail or have to go topless all the time)

aceengineeringandfab.com
ACE mid-width front bumper (still need to find a good winch at a good price)
ACE rear bumper with tire carrier (anyone know if I can mount a hi-lift jack on this?)
ACE Rock sliders

tirepackage.com
5- Mickey Thompson classic locks 17x9 4.5" BS
5- 37x13.50R-17LT, Open Country Mud Terrain by Toyo
Need to research what gears would be best for my 6 speed jeep

While I'm ordering this mountain of parts, I might as well get the bumpstops also if the ones coming with the kit won't do. What size should I be looking for?

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You can run 37s with a small lift. You just got to add bump stops and you will need to trim your stock fenders or run aftermarket flat fenders...

But you should be strengthing your front axle with sleeves and gussets with both 35s and 37s.
I have a local 4wd shop available to me, I will call them Monday about the sleeves/gussets, thank you sir!

The link above is a great kit. You will be happy with it. You don't need new drive shafts right away but one was going to break right away it will be the rear.
Thanks for the feedback on the TF kit, going to order this morning

So sleeves and gussets installed should be less than 300..
And you should be running them if you plan on going off road.

There is a sleeve that you can DIY without a welder. Nitro Sleeves.
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If you're going to end up replacing your drive shafts, why not go with the taller lift? If I had to do it all again, I would have gone 4" off the bat..
At the moment I do plan on running my rig off road, but honestly not getting too crazy with it while I'm still paying for it. After it is paid off, then I'll be looking for a bigger lift/more extreme trails etc.

Here's my rig with 37s and 2" OME coils with flat fenders.

(On the left. The Jeep on the right is our old 11 on TF 4")


Looks like you still have great articulation here, that is exactly what I'm looking for.




2" with 37s






This is exactly the look and performance I'm looking for, thanks for posting the pics! Oddly enough we have the same color Jeeps, so this helps a lot!
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Good list! 3" bump stops with 37s and I would do 513s in regard to your gearing! Don't let anyone try to tell you that 488s would be better.

Instead of going to 4wheel parts, try giving a few vendors on here a call.

Northridge4x4 has saved us ALOT of money and we've bought a couple long arm suspensions and short arms from them. They ship all orders over $100 free and they stock a bunch of items.
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Old 08-12-2012, 06:44 PM   #17
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I will check them out, thanks a ton for all of the info man!
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Just thought of one more thing...is that 3" bumpstop just for the rear or the front as well? I have seen where the bumpstops need to be different depending on which end of the vehicle they are on.
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3" all the way around
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I would suggest the 3.5" X Factor Midarm by Rock Krawler. On a 2 door you will net about 4" of lift. Both TF & Rk are great. Pluke is absolutely right on driveshafts, arms and axle strengthening. Research heavily

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Parked my 3.5 x Factor next to a Teraflex 3", had well over an inch on him. Rest of the suspension was the same, shocks and so on. Also parked on level asphalt. Also with the X I have seen where my rear axle was still planted on the ground when the teraflex was runnin on one wheel in the back.

Also believe you can stuff 37's under the 3.5 X factor.

No bang agains teraflex, they make great stuff.
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:45 PM   #21
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Read some reviews of 4wheelonline and they were terrible, went with Morris4x4 and ordered the teraflex lift kit, trektop nx, bushwhacker fender flares, and added a teraflex adjustable front track bar and a skyjacker dual steering stabilizer.

Tried to order my wheels/tires and found that the Mickey Thompson Classic Locks are on backorder until the end of the month, I need to find a different wheel quick!
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Parked my 3.5 x Factor next to a Teraflex 3", had well over an inch on him. Rest of the suspension was the same, shocks and so on. Also parked on level asphalt. Also with the X I have seen where my rear axle was still planted on the ground when the teraflex was runnin on one wheel in the back.

Also believe you can stuff 37's under the 3.5 X factor.

No bang agains teraflex, they make great stuff.
I appreciate your input man, I really do. If the teraflex stuff doesn't work out, I'll be looking into the RK kits.
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Durst, this is going to sound bad, but I and the other more experienced wheelers believe its true..


Return the dual sky crapper steering stabilizer and use the stock one. You will be saving money and you wont be worse off. Relocate the stock steering stabilizer up on top to keep it out of way but keep the stock ss. Its quality and Ive seen rigs up to 40" tall tires using them. We still have the stock one on our 12' with 37s.
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Durst, this is going to sound bad, but I and the other more experienced wheelers believe its true..


Return the dual sky crapper steering stabilizer and use the stock one. You will be saving money and you wont be worse off. Relocate the stock steering stabilizer up on top to keep it out of way but keep the stock ss. Its quality and Ive seen rigs up to 40" tall tires using them. We still have the stock one on our 12' with 37s.
Thanks for the advice man, I'll put a call in to Morris on Monday to send it back. No need for it if you guys don't think so.

Today was darn near like Christmas where my headlight/taillight guards, aev procal, shorty antenna, adjustable front track bar, lift kit, fender flares, and trektop all showed up at the same time!

I have installed the light guards, antenna, and have started working on getting the bushwhacker fender flares on. I'll finish them up tomorrow and get the trektop put on while I'm at it. I still need to order up some 3" bumpstops and I'll be able to install the lift kit hopefully next weekend with my wheels and tires coming in just after the first of the month.

Speaking of wheels and tires.....I've been looking around at some options....I found a place called Trail Worthy Fab, but my only hesitation is that the wheels are 16.5 and the tires may be more difficult to find. Any opinions?

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