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Old 07-15-2012, 09:40 PM   #1
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Need tire/lift advice for 2012

I have a 2012 Arctic Unlimited. Running stock rims w/1.5" spacers.

I'd like to a put a 2" lift on the jeep, keep the stock rims, and put wider/bigger tires on it to increase the stance/appearance.

My dealer says to go w/the MOPAR lift, as it doesn't void the warranty. Price is $2,795 installed.

Also advising on Trail Grapplers: 35x12.50R17. $2,495 for 5, installed.

Questions:

1) MOPAR lift any good? I'm driving on highway 90%, beach/sand 10%. I live in NY...snow in winter. Haven't gone offroading as of yet, and don't see much of that happening. Any other lifts to consider?

2) are those tires going to give the truck an aggressive look? Any other specs I should consider?

Do I keep the spacers?

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I have a 2012 Arctic Unlimited. Running stock rims w/1.5" spacers.

I'd like to a put a 2" lift on the jeep, keep the stock rims, and put wider/bigger tires on it to increase the stance/appearance.

My dealer says to go w/the MOPAR lift, as it doesn't void the warranty. Price is $2,795 installed.
1. Your dealer says Mopar cuz that's what the dealer sells.

2. Unless you tamper with your odometer, your warranty cannot be voided. Some info (pay special attn to all posts by MTH):
Dealer Says non-MOPAR Lift Kit Voids 100% of Warranty!
Dealer says they will warranty lift if they install...Teraflex?(pics)
Warranty Voids lifts

3. The dealer will REAM you on install. And, frankly, I wouldn't feel confident, personally, that the dealer wouldn't f*** it up. Find some local Jeepers who can help you install the lift for the price of some beer, pizza and a side order of cussing and bloody knuckles, and you'll save almost the cost of your tires. Just my advice.

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Also advising on Trail Grapplers: 35x12.50R17. $2,495 for 5, installed.
1. Seems really high to me...just tires? I think I paid around $1200 for my 35" DuraTracs.

2. 90% highway use? 35's will kill your gas mileage.

3. You'll need a new tire carrier or rear bumper/tire carrier to support the weight of those tires.

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1) MOPAR lift any good? I'm driving on highway 90%, beach/sand 10%. I live in NY...snow in winter. Haven't gone offroading as of yet, and don't see much of that happening. Any other lifts to consider?

Don't know what height lift you're looking at, but if the shocks that come with it are more than 25" tall, you'll need either an exhaust spacer or a new front ds to make sure your ds clears your exhaust pipe.

Teraflex, Full Traction, Rock Crawler...tons of good lifts out there. I'd consider all three of those to be better than the Mopar, personally.

2) are those tires going to give the truck an aggressive look? Any other specs I should consider?

Do I keep the spacers?

You'll have to keep the spacers if you plan on using the stock rims.

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Listen to KBWWOLF.

Mopar is rebranded aftermarket and that price they quoted you is OUTRAGEOUS for a 2” lift. You can get a Rock Krawler 3.5” X Factor for less, or even an AEV that people spout as the second coming. The dealer is also fibbing, stating that one lift will or will not void your warranty over another lift even a Mopar (as I said it is usually Rubicon Express or Teraflex).

As for the price of the tires, that too is astronomical. Sounds like the dealer is trying to give it to you harshly especially since you are keeping the stock wheels. Over $2K for just tires??!!

My suggestion would go with a better lift Rock Krawler, Synergy or Teraflex. Even BDS and Full Traction and buy from a reputable shop/vendor. There are great vendors on this forum to answer questions and sell you stuff at a reasonable price. Jason at Krawl Off-Road and Chris at Jeep Add Ons. Check out the Rock Krawler 2.5” Flex system. They can get you set up with lift, tires/wheels or whatever you want.

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I also saw no mention of spacers to accomodate those 35x12.5 tires on stock wheels. If you are going with a 12.5" wide tire with stockers you will need spacers or they will rub.
Edit: Oops, Nevermind didn't see the spacers listed in your very first line :duh:
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With these guys! That price on the tires is crazy!! We can save you almost $1K off that price for 5 of those!

Also, they are just trying to get you into their MOPAR lift. There is a lot of other ways to save or spend your money more wisely...

If there is anything we can do to help point you in the right direction, let me know. Feel free to PM, email, or call us at anytime!

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With these guys! That price on the tires is crazy!! We can save you almost $1K off that price for 5 of those!

Also, they are just trying to get you into their MOPAR lift. There is a lot of other ways to save or spend your money more wisely...

If there is anything we can do to help point you in the right direction, let me know. Feel free to PM, email, or call us at anytime!

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Save $1,000 on the tires alone...

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LOL I know! If I didnt have morals, I would open a stealership!

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1. Your dealer says Mopar cuz that's what the dealer sells.

2. Unless you tamper with your odometer, your warranty cannot be voided. Some info (pay special attn to all posts by MTH):
Dealer Says non-MOPAR Lift Kit Voids 100% of Warranty!
Dealer says they will warranty lift if they install...Teraflex?(pics)
Warranty Voids lifts

3. The dealer will REAM you on install. And, frankly, I wouldn't feel confident, personally, that the dealer wouldn't f*** it up. Find some local Jeepers who can help you install the lift for the price of some beer, pizza and a side order of cussing and bloody knuckles, and you'll save almost the cost of your tires. Just my advice.

1. Seems really high to me...just tires? I think I paid around $1200 for my 35" DuraTracs.

2. 90% highway use? 35's will kill your gas mileage.

3. You'll need a new tire carrier or rear bumper/tire carrier to support the weight of those tires.
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1. Your dealer says Mopar cuz that's what the dealer sells.

2. Unless you tamper with your odometer, your warranty cannot be voided. Some info (pay special attn to all posts by MTH):
Dealer Says non-MOPAR Lift Kit Voids 100% of Warranty!
Dealer says they will warranty lift if they install...Teraflex?(pics)
Warranty Voids lifts

3. The dealer will REAM you on install. And, frankly, I wouldn't feel confident, personally, that the dealer wouldn't f*** it up. Find some local Jeepers who can help you install the lift for the price of some beer, pizza and a side order of cussing and bloody knuckles, and you'll save almost the cost of your tires. Just my advice.



1. Seems really high to me...just tires? I think I paid around $1200 for my 35" DuraTracs.

2. 90% highway use? 35's will kill your gas mileage.

3. You'll need a new tire carrier or rear bumper/tire carrier to support the weight of those tires.

OP:

I pretty much agree with everything stated here. For the $5290 the dealer is trying to get you to pay for a 2" lift and 5 35x12.50 nittos...i could/would do the following:

3.5" rock krawler x factor lift
5 35" tires of your choosing (nittos are REALLY heavy and if you going to be driving 90% highway i highly suggest a different tire. your gas milage is going to plummit. unless you dont care. )
front & rear bumper
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and a re-gear...


the price the dealer is quoting you for both of those items is completely outrageous.
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I pretty much agree with everything stated here. For the $5290 the dealer is trying to get you to pay for a 2" lift and 5 35x12.50 nittos...i could/would do the following:

3.5" rock krawler x factor lift
5 35" tires of your choosing (nittos are REALLY heavy and if you going to be driving 90% highway i highly suggest a different tire. your gas milage is going to plummit. unless you dont care. )
front & rear bumper
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and a re-gear...


the price the dealer is quoting you for both of those items is completely outrageous.

Can we regear a 2012 Wrangler without a CEL yet?
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Sure you could. AEV's Procal works for 2012's

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Sure you could. AEV's Procal works for 2012's

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I thought I saw a thread about the 2012's computer not letting us running different gear ratio's yet?

The dream of 35's and 4.88's lives on for this guy!
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I thought I saw a thread about the 2012's computer not letting us running different gear ratio's yet?

The dream of 35's and 4.88's lives on for this guy!
Not true. Plenty of successfully re-geared 2012's

There is no software for tuners but the Procal is a calibrator, not a tuner.

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Not true. Plenty of successfully re-geared 2012's

There is no software for tuners but the Procal is a calibrator, not a tuner.

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Not to pull this way off topic, but does regear void the warranty. Yes I know I just opened a can of worms on the warranty question, but just wondering what happens with a regear.
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Not to pull this way off topic, but does regear void the warranty. Yes I know I just opened a can of worms on the warranty question, but just wondering what happens with a regear.
On the axles

But a reputable shop will/should provide one anyways.
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On the axles

But a reputable shop will/should provide one anyways.
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Ok...so my dealer is a rip. Understood. But for my usage...what is the right setup?
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Ok...so my dealer is a rip. Understood. But for my usage...what is the right setup?
Nobody knows your usage. Only you can answer that. There was some suggestions thrown out in here.

What is budget ?
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I just ordered rock krawler 2.5 max flex lift from Jason at krawl off road. Bought 4 mb tko and 4 35x12.5x15 bfg km2's with the ace rails for my jkru for less than 4k delivered to the house. I will put the lift on or will find a shop but shouldnt cost an arm and a leg and will be way less than the dealership installed stage 3 lift I was gonna get. The dealership wanted 3500 for the stage 3 kit and install. I also got the fox shocks from Jason to go along with the lift. All of that for just a couple of bucks more than the dship wanted for the lift. Hope everything works out for you.
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I just ordered rock krawler 2.5 max flex lift from Jason at krawl off road. Bought 4 mb tko and 4 35x12.5x15 bfg km2's with the ace rails for my jkru for less than 4k delivered to the house. I will put the lift on or will find a shop but shouldnt cost an arm and a leg and will be way less than the dealership installed stage 3 lift I was gonna get. The dealership wanted 3500 for the stage 3 kit and install. I also got the fox shocks from Jason to go along with the lift. All of that for just a couple of bucks more than the dship wanted for the lift. Hope everything works out for you.
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Agreed...

Yes, we can help you save over the dealership. As for the installation, with a friend, some basic tools (jack and jack stands), pizza, and beer, most guys can install 90% of these lifts in their driveway no problem!

Rundm... thank you my friend!!!

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Ok, went to a local shop today, thinking about:

ReadyLift 3/2 lift
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Thanks again for the info Kjeeper10 and Jason at Krawl Off Road.
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The lift I want is $500 online everywhere. Shop wants $1,100...installed. They get $100 per hour. Is 6 hours the real time to install a lift?
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Took us about 6 hours to install ours in our carport. Do you really not have the ability to get this done outside of a shop? You're paying way too much to have someone do a job that's honestly pretty simple. Lift is a lot easier to install than you'd think.

$600 for an install is a bit high anyway. I price checked getting our 3" Teraflex installed just to see if it was worth me being lazy. I was quoted $375 and $450 for installation from Desert Rat and 4Wheelparts here in Tucson. Decided I'd rather spend $200 on a good floor jack and some jack stands at harbor freight and do it ourselves. It was fun.
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All I can tell ya is what I got ,works for me,looks good,and not expensive. I put a rocky road outfitters 2in. lift on my 2012 jk, shocks and blocks is all it is. bout 300 bucks. Now I dont do rocks or mud, all I need it for is room for larger tires for the snow here in rural carbon county Pa. hope it helpes.

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