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Old 01-16-2013, 04:16 PM   #1
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negotiating a 430 NAV upgrade with purchase.. how much $ ?

i am on the verge of buying a new Wrangler... the dealer near me has a 2012 Sahara leftover with options i like, list is $31,585..marked down to $27,370...
i'd lke to have an in-dash NAV system and it doesnt' come with one.. i know, i know a lot of guys say there are better aftermarket units and others say a store bought Garmin is better, but i like the idea of in-dash and not having to have new truck modded by a stero shop....iwas thinking of negotiating an upgrade to the 430 NAV/radio from the 130 radio. Anyone done this before? how much did you get it for?

oh...and do you guys think thats a good price for a 2012 Leftover?

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Sounds like a good price and you can tell him the stereo is the only thing holding you back and he will gladly offer to have it added for you. It's something they can do easily. You will need to negotiate on price though. Just look at the sticker price for the option and that's what you'll pay maximum. You do not need to pay any extra installation as this is part of your terms of purchase.

People all the time negotiate add ons like new wheels or other MOPAR parts. For example, my parents lease a new Grand Cherokee every year and my mother is picky about the color so she often finds the color but not the options. I'm pretty sure they put in a sun roof in the last 3 Jeeps they bought.

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Old 01-16-2013, 04:21 PM   #3
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I just purchased my Rubicon yesterday with the Jeep Affiliate discount program. My cost for the 430N option was $921.
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I would look on the first page of the 2013 wrangler info thread.

There is a spread sheet that will tell you what msrp and invoice is for the different model jeeps and there equipment.

Figure you could find or build a 2013 for 1-3% under invoice. Compare that # to what they want for a left over 12 and see if its worth it to you.

Personally it would have to be a big discount to make me buy a car thats already 1+ years old.Most people don't buy 30K cars that often so make sure its what you want.

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Old 01-16-2013, 04:32 PM   #5
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Gotta chime in on this. The price you're paying on the window sticker is an upgrade price over the base 130 media center that is included in the base price. A dealer can't even buy a 430N directly from the manufacturer for anywhere close to that. If they're pulling it out of another vehicle, that's one thing, but dealers don't want to get stuck with a vehicle that says it has navigation on the sticker when it doesn't actually have navigation.

Also, you're going to lose your satellite radio subscription. Even going from a factory radio to a factory radio, Sirius won't continue the subscription. I was planning to upgrade the 130 in my sport to a 430N, but finally just bought a car dock for my phone. It's not the same, but it's way cheaper and if I'm streaming audio all of the vocal directions come through the speakers. And I kept my satellite radio subscription!

If you're still set on in dash nav; for the price, and if you're going to lose the satellite subscription anyway, go with a Kenwood touch screen or something similar. Better features, better sound quality, and you can probably get one installed for under $1000.
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Can't type anything into in dash units while in motion either. Would have to install a lockpick, another $200
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Can't type anything into in dash units while in motion either. Would have to install a lockpick, another $200
so much for safety features.....
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Old 01-16-2013, 06:40 PM   #8
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That is not a good price, it was a year a descent deal a year ago but not now. I got 13% off msrp in July on a 12' so I would think you could do much better then that now. Also I got 0% financing with that.
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That is not a good price, it was a year a descent deal a year ago but not now. I got 13% off msrp in July on a 12' so I would think you could do much better then that now. Also I got 0% financing with that.
from $31,585 down to $27,370 is a 14% cut... but if you got 13% in july maybe i could work a little more... the $27,370 is their markdown on the windshield... i didn't even heckle yet...
How loaded up is your Jeep?...from what i've seen some dealers seem willing to cut more on higher priced vehicles...i've seen good deals on MOABs and such on the internet....
Also, how long did you get 0% financing for? 36? or longer?
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Always work from invoice. MSRP means nothing because there is a big pricing gap between invoice and MSRP for a Sport vs a Sahara/Rubi, ect.
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Just got a '13 Sahara, loaded, for 33,800. Not sure if it was a good deal, just something to compare to. Didn't shop around, stopped in a dealer one day, walked out a few hours later owner of a new Jeep.
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In my opinion, the true value of the factory systems only comes through if you also get the Connectivity package? The GPS antenna, microphone, steering wheel controls, and integrated Bluetooth system are the hard parts to replicate from the aftermarket. If you don't get this too, don't bother with the 430n.

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Just got a '13 Sahara, loaded, for 33,800. Not sure if it was a good deal, just something to compare to. Didn't shop around, stopped in a dealer one day, walked out a few hours later owner of a new Jeep.
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In my opinion, the true value of the factory systems only comes through if you also get the Connectivity package? The GPS antenna, microphone, steering wheel controls, and integrated Bluetooth system are the hard parts to replicate from the aftermarket. If you don't get this too, don't bother with the 430n.

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thats what i hear, and it makes A LOT of sense to me.......the one I'm looking at has the Connectivity group.... also has tow pack, auto trans, hard top, and remote start....

i'm gonna be using it for work, alot of running from job site to job site, so thats why i want the connectivity and the NAV
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If I had the choice again I would definitely opt out of the factory nav (I have a 730n) and grab a pioneer or kenwood unit. You can get the steering wheel controls to work with these units and can get bluetooth (have to use a different mic though).

The sound of the 730n is decent but the interface flat out sucks.

For now though I've done the "nitro" amp mod to get my rear speaks pumping, I've polyfilled/dynamatted all my enclosures and thing sound acceptable.
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In my opinion, the true value of the factory systems only comes through if you also get the Connectivity package? The GPS antenna, microphone, steering wheel controls, and integrated Bluetooth system are the hard parts to replicate from the aftermarket. If you don't get this too, don't bother with the 430n.

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Agreed.... You can buy the Connetivity Kit for $300, but it does not have EVIC, and you have to take it to a dealer (more $$$) to get flashed.

If you are going to keep a factory HU, get connectivty from the factory.

If you plan on replacing the entire system, HU and all. Don't bother with a 430n or 730n, and you might not want to bother with Connectivty (unless you really want the EVIC).

If you are getting a Sport and plan on replecing everything (including the speakers), I would probably pass on the Premium Sound option as well (unless you really want the built in sub enclosure).
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Agreed.... You can buy the Connetivity Kit for $300, but it does not have EVIC, and you have to take it to a dealer (more $$$) to get flashed.

If you are going to keep a factory HU, get connectivty from the factory.

If you plan on replacing the entire system, HU and all. Don't bother with a 430n or 730n, and you might not want to bother with Connectivty (unless you really want the EVIC).

If you are getting a Sport and plan on replecing everything (including the speakers), I would probably pass on the Premium Sound option as well (unless you really want the built in sub enclosure).
Amen here, I'm not one to jack around with tons of aftermarket widgets mainly because I can't do the install myself. I don't have the time, talent, tools or desire to learn how either. In some cases it's just plain easier to get it installed from the factory. If nothing else, at least it's covered under some sort of warranty and you can spend your time doing something that you actually enjoy doing.
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from $31,585 down to $27,370 is a 14% cut... but if you got 13% in july maybe i could work a little more... the $27,370 is their markdown on the windshield... i didn't even heckle yet...
How loaded up is your Jeep?...from what i've seen some dealers seem willing to cut more on higher priced vehicles...i've seen good deals on MOABs and such on the internet....
Also, how long did you get 0% financing for? 36? or longer?
Just did the math again it was 13.7% off and fully loaded and I got it the last day of June before any of the 13's were out. If your going to keep it for a long time then buying a 12' now isnt that big of deal in the end. If you trade it in in 2 years your going to look at the depreciation and wonder why in the hell you did it. But also consider a lot of the options went up on the 13'. I thought about that before going with the 12' at the end of the production year. Not only am I getting almost 14% off but the 13' would've been an extra 1k with all the options and base price increase.

0% was for 36 months, its a tough payment but will be over much quicker.

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