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Old 03-26-2010, 05:55 AM   #1
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New 2010 Sahara

Just wanted to say hi. Picked up my new Sahara yesterday and will be driving from NY to NC tomorrow. I do long distance trip rather frequently so I went with the 3:21 axle...will I be disapointed I didn't get the 3:73? I have the manual tranny BTW.
Seems like a great site! Looking forward to spending some time here and learning a lot about my new Jeep!

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Old 03-26-2010, 07:36 AM   #2
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Just wanted to say hi. Picked up my new Sahara yesterday and will be driving from NY to NC tomorrow. I do long distance trip rather frequently so I went with the 3:21 axle...will I be disapointed I didn't get the 3:73? I have the manual tranny BTW.
Seems like a great site! Looking forward to spending some time here and learning a lot about my new Jeep!
Congrats.

You'll be disappointed if you ever get bigger tires and want to regear...

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Old 03-26-2010, 11:10 AM   #3
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Congrats.. Only if you go bigger on tires will it need regearing but as it is, it should do fine..
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Or maybe if you want to tow anything of substance in the hills...
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Or if there's a headwind.
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Old 03-26-2010, 02:21 PM   #6
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I say yes, you will be disappointed eventually.
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Old 03-26-2010, 02:40 PM   #7
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I don't think you will be disappointed at all. People get disappointed in the Wrangler powertrain because they have unrealistic expectations. They buy a Jeep for all of it's capabilities and then also expect it to accelerate and handle like a BMW.

Let me tell you, I've had many fast cars....from Mustang GT's to Acuras to Infinitis to BMWs. I traded in a BMW 3 series coupe for my Wrangler Sahara. My Jeep couldn't hold a candle to my BMW in terms of acceleration, ride and handling. Not even close. But........how would my BMW handle a foot of freshly fallen snow or the Rubicon Trail? Not very well, I imagine. And last I remember, I couldn't drop the top and remove the doors from my BMW.

My point is this.......you bought a Jeep, not a Porsche. If you want a car that you can race from a stoplight and cruise the Pacific Coast highway at 120 MPH, you bought the wrong vehicle. I'm so tired of people who buy Subcompact cars and complain that the back seat is small, or buy a Hummer and complain that they get bad gas mileage.........HELLO???????

The Wrangler is a great vehicle for what it is. It's designed to do certain things and does them well. Be happy with that and don't set unrealistic expectations.
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Old 03-26-2010, 07:35 PM   #8
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Have the same set up and love it. I have no intention of doing any serious off roading. I get good fuel mileage and satisfied.
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Old 03-26-2010, 09:30 PM   #9
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I don't think you will be disappointed at all. People get disappointed in the Wrangler powertrain because they have unrealistic expectations. They buy a Jeep for all of it's capabilities and then also expect it to accelerate and handle like a BMW.

Let me tell you, I've had many fast cars....from Mustang GT's to Acuras to Infinitis to BMWs. I traded in a BMW 3 series coupe for my Wrangler Sahara. My Jeep couldn't hold a candle to my BMW in terms of acceleration, ride and handling. Not even close. But........how would my BMW handle a foot of freshly fallen snow or the Rubicon Trail? Not very well, I imagine. And last I remember, I couldn't drop the top and remove the doors from my BMW.

My point is this.......you bought a Jeep, not a Porsche. If you want a car that you can race from a stoplight and cruise the Pacific Coast highway at 120 MPH, you bought the wrong vehicle. I'm so tired of people who buy Subcompact cars and complain that the back seat is small, or buy a Hummer and complain that they get bad gas mileage.........HELLO???????

The Wrangler is a great vehicle for what it is. It's designed to do certain things and does them well. Be happy with that and don't set unrealistic expectations.
This is great advice from an expert! As a Red Sox fan he is used to setting his expections that the Red Sox will come in 2nd place to the Yankees. Thanks to the wildcard, it's now ok to come in 2nd and try to win in the playoffs.

Sorry I just couldn't resist especially since you put yourself out there with that user name!
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Old 03-26-2010, 10:46 PM   #10
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Well, at least you have a manual. I went from an X 2 door manual 3.21 to a Rubicon manual 4.10 and couldn't be happier. But a good part of the equation is the use of the vehicle. My Rubi is not a DD so I am extremely happy with the lower gearing. If you don't plan to do much off-roading, the 3.21s should be fine, especially because you are at lower altitude. And you will be able to off-road, you just may have to shift more. At Colorado's altitude, with steep mountain passes, 3.73 is as high as one should go, and 4.10 is definitely better. JMHO. If you do find you don't like the 3.21s at least they can be changed.
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Ok. Here's the real answer from someone who can emperically tell you:
YES- you WILL be disappointed.
Both on OEM base model 16" steelies and 29" garbage tires:

Briana's rig with 3.73's stock:
17 MPG city, 20 highway (if I drive- subtract 1-2 MPG from either for her )
My rig with 3.21's stock:
15 City, 18.5 Highway (driven the same way, over the same roads, around the same time of year. I drive very smoothly, non-aggressively, and no more than 5 over the speed limit).
Also, if you go anything over the base model 29" tires, you WILL hate your rig. The 3.21's are a horrible joke. At the VERY least, you'll want the Superchips programmer since you're already stuck with 3.21's.
A re-gear later will now (since you have 3.21's) also require replacing your front carrier. The rear carrier is the same for ALL JK's, so that's fine. Keep that in mind- Mark W.
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Thanks for your insight on the Red Sox, Tom. I thought this was a Jeep forum, not a baseball forum. I understand your bitterness from 2004 when the Yankees were one strike away from a sweep of the Red Sox in the Divisional series, blew it, lost four in a row to post the BIGGEST CHOKE in all of sports history, and had to watch the Red Sox go on to a World Series victory. Seek therapy for that anger and arrogance and you'll be a better man. Don't worry, the Yankees will buy plenty more championships.

Now, getting back to the Jeep issue. You bought a fine vehicle that will provide you wilh plenty of fun. Enjoy it and don't let a miserable Yankee fan bring you down.
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^ Wow. Feel the love there
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I don't think you will be disappointed at all. People get disappointed in the Wrangler powertrain because they have unrealistic expectations. They buy a Jeep for all of it's capabilities and then also expect it to accelerate and handle like a BMW.

Let me tell you, I've had many fast cars....from Mustang GT's to Acuras to Infinitis to BMWs. I traded in a BMW 3 series coupe for my Wrangler Sahara. My Jeep couldn't hold a candle to my BMW in terms of acceleration, ride and handling. Not even close. But........how would my BMW handle a foot of freshly fallen snow or the Rubicon Trail? Not very well, I imagine. And last I remember, I couldn't drop the top and remove the doors from my BMW.

My point is this.......you bought a Jeep, not a Porsche. If you want a car that you can race from a stoplight and cruise the Pacific Coast highway at 120 MPH, you bought the wrong vehicle. I'm so tired of people who buy Subcompact cars and complain that the back seat is small, or buy a Hummer and complain that they get bad gas mileage.........HELLO???????

The Wrangler is a great vehicle for what it is. It's designed to do certain things and does them well. Be happy with that and don't set unrealistic expectations.
Great post and I agree with everything you said. But I'm not too happy that you are a Red Sox fan.

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