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Old 03-27-2011, 08:37 PM   #1
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New guy looking for advice on a new purchase.

I won't bore you with details, check the new member forum for history, but after a long time away from Jeeps, I am contemplating buying a new Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon.

I'm leaning towards fully loaded on options, but would like opinions:

- I am inclined toward the manual transmission. Any reason to consider automatic?

- Heated seats, a must.

- Towing package, or aftermarket?

- I intend to lift and replace tires and wheels, but not overboard, this is still the family vehicle to go to the grocery store. Any way I can save money from the dealer on this?

- Two top package? It rains a lot here in the northwest. Should I stick with the hard top and go aftermarket with a soft top?

- Nav system?

Any advice would be appreciated. I'm fifty-two and looking at this vehicle being the one my wife and I use to crisscross the country to explore and annoy our kids when we retire ;-).

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Old 03-27-2011, 09:01 PM   #2
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- I am inclined toward the manual transmission. Any reason to consider automatic?
No. If you prefer it, I'd say manual is the better choice.

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- Heated seats, a must.
Okay. They can be done aftermarket, but it's certainly easier from the factory.

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- Towing package, or aftermarket?
If you get it from the factory, your Jeep's CPU is programmed with a sway damping program to help you if your trailer gets a little frisky. It automatically pumps the correct brakes and so on. Can't do that aftermarket.

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- I intend to lift and replace tires and wheels, but not overboard, this is still the family vehicle to go to the grocery store. Any way I can save money from the dealer on this?
No. The most economical way to do this is to sell the Rubicon suspension, wheels, and tires privately after you do the lift. There are plenty of folks who buy the "sport" or "sahara" editions that would want those items. You'll make back some of what you spent. Unless the dealer is a good friend or some such thing, don't involve them.

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- Two top package? It rains a lot here in the northwest. Should I stick with the hard top and go aftermarket with a soft top?
You can if you want. It's definitely easier to buy a soft top aftermarket than to buy a hard top. If you get a high quality soft top though, I don't think they'll be much savings by going aftermarket.

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- Nav system?
M'eh, I'm not a fan of built in nav. Others are. It's obviously MUCH cheaper just to buy a Garmin. Of course, it won't be built in.

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Any advice would be appreciated. I'm fifty-two and looking at this vehicle being the one my wife and I use to crisscross the country to explore and annoy our kids when we retire ;-).
Sounds great. I feel compelled to mention that on the highway, your rubicon will be getting about 20 mpg, maybe less after your lift. For 2012, the engine is being replaced with an engine that is expected to get slightly better fuel economy and some more power. Of course, it'll be the first year for that engine in the Wrangler, and it's replacing one that's well established. Take that for what it's worth.

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Old 03-27-2011, 09:48 PM   #3
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Wow, thanks, great information. My current vehicle (2001 Volvo XC-70) gets about the same mileage, and I've driven it across the country several times, so I know the cost.

Only thing that helps is it has a computer that gives current mpg, which helps me 'compete' against myself. Coasting down the cascade mountains try to get a hundred mpgs helps, it something like this available on the Jeep?
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Yes. I think it's standard on jk's, but I could be wrong about that...

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Old 03-28-2011, 03:10 AM   #5
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MTH covered it pretty well, I'd be inclined to agree with him concerning the manual transmission.

As far as the heated seats from the factory, I have them (cloth) and they're actually seat "warmers", not "heaters". The heaters in my wife's car get so warm I have to turn them off after a few minutes, the ones in the Jeep I can hardly tell they're on.

What MTH said about the tow package.

If you want the Rubicon you're pretty much stuck with the factory wheels and tires....as MTH said, you can sell them and get some of your money back.

If you want both tops, spring for the dual top package from the factory.

I didn't get the factory nav and I don't regret it. I like being able to unplug my GPS and go on foot.

I don't think the computer will give you instant fuel economy readings. It'll give you the average MPGs since the last reset, plus it has an ECO light to tell you when you're driving in a fuel efficient manner . I turned the ECO light off 'cause I don't need that kind of added pressure while I'm driving. I'd recommend the connectivity package just for the bluetooth, but the EVIC makes programming a lot of the features much easier.
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Old 03-28-2011, 05:59 AM   #6
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MTH pretty much nailed it. The only thing I would add is that if you don't need the trailer sway control, you can add a factory style hitch receiver for less than $100. The tow package gives you a stiffer suspension which you are replacing anyway. The only thing I would investigate is whether or not the TSC is affected by a lift as some of the electronic controls can be.
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Old 03-28-2011, 06:32 AM   #7
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I am also new to this forum but have been Jeepin a long time. I have also just ordered a Unlimited Rubicon. With regards to the tow package... I know I will need to sometimes tow my 18' trailer with a couple 4 wheelers and dirt bikes. The biggest question I came across with the two dealers I shopped, thier service folks, the Jeep website and the customer service line was this. The website says the tow package will change the gears to a 3.73 from the Rubicon 4.10. I could not believe they would go to a taller gear for towing and that must be just for the other trim level models. Nope, after much debate the Jeep regional manager had to let us all know that the tow package will always replace the original gears to the 3.73. So even if it would be nice to have the anti sway tech with the tow package I will be going to an aftermarket tow hitch. I've towed for years this way, oh well.
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The people you are talking to are stupid. The gears will change on everything OTHER than a Rubicon. The Rubicon is the only model that currently comes with 4.10 gearing. It will remain that way with the tow package. Go to the dealership and ask one of the dumbasses to look at the window sticker of a Rubicon with the tow package.
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I went round and round for days with everybody that would listen. I, like you, thought that could not be true. Like I said, the wesite, two 1-800 numbers, salesmen and sales managers, service techs could not agree untill we got an answer from the Jeep regional manager. I would go to Toledo and ask the line worker who installs the darn thing because he might be the only guy that knows. When I see a window sticker it reads "Rubicon 4.10" then also lists "tow package" but will not say if it put in the 3.73. I have been so frustrated that me, the consumer knows more than the employees.
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It won't say it because it's not true! A Rubicon with tow package will have 4.10 gears, plain and simple.
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Nope, after much debate the Jeep regional manager had to let us all know that the tow package will always replace the original gears to the 3.73.
You obviously did a lot of leg work, and a regional manager is a pretty lofty source of authority. But this would be almost impossibly foolish. Why would this be true? I've never seen this even suggested before.
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Being in your age bracket I'll give you one opinion. I ordered a 10 Rubi 2dr 6spd loaded for my wife, since she always wanted one because she loves our 89 YJ and also liked the 06 TJ we had, and then added a ton of Mods, mostly Mopar. My wife and I love this JK. If you're getting an 11 Rubi Unlimited I would definately get it loaded. Check just about every box. Go with the 6 spd. Being that the Unl. is a bit heavier you can better control your shift points and get more out of the 3.8. At least that's what I found. Since you'll probably do a lot of highway driving you'll be in 5th or 6th the majority of the time anyway. You won't get overheating problems, etc. It really comes down to personal preference if you want to shift or not. As far as the towing package, top and nav., get it when you place the order. I think overall you'll like it better when it comes in complete with everything and you don't have to worry about adding it later. The Rubi keeps the 4.10's with the towing package as was already indicated. Max out the radio w/nav. and get both tops. I think once you drive the Rubi for awhile you might find that you don't need to lift or change the wheels/tires. Make that decision based upon you primary needs. You can always do it later on. With the type of driving that you do you might not wat to give up the better gas mileage. We found that we didn't need to change that. It's extremely capable stock. In 2010 you could only get the heated seats as a Mopar option for both cloth and leather. We have it with cloth and it's great because it has a full pad for the seat bottom and back. They work great for us, they get hot quick on max. However, I believe you can only order the heated seat option for the leather seats in 2011, except Canada for some reason, and you only get the full heated pad for the seat bottom and partially for the seat back. I would definately check into this because there have been some complaints on the forum about the "factory" heated seat option. Either way I think it's good to have. Good luck with whatever decision you make. You won't be disapointed.
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You obviously did a lot of leg work, and a regional manager is a pretty lofty source of authority. But this would be almost impossibly foolish. Why would this be true? I've never seen this even suggested before.
With the emphasis on impossibly. I jacked mine up and spun the driveshaft...I've got a 2011 Rubicon with the tow package and 4.10 gears.
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As far as the heated seats from the factory, I have them (cloth) and they're actually seat "warmers", not "heaters". The heaters in my wife's car get so warm I have to turn them off after a few minutes, the ones in the Jeep I can hardly tell they're on.
Are heated cloth seats an option?
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Bueller?

Can't fine the answer though hours of searching. Are cloth seats available with the heaters or must you order leather?
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When you build the Jeep and leave seats stock (cloth), you can add heated as an option.


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Can't fine the answer though hours of searching. Are cloth seats available with the heaters or must you order leather?
Go here: http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/201...ml#post1352533

Check out the options available with various models. You'll find that heated seats are available with cloth seats except in the Sport, IIRC.
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Thanks guys. I guess what I should have asked is can you get heated cloth seats in a Sport?

Don't think so now......
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Thanks guys. I guess what I should have asked is can you get heated cloth seats in a Sport?

Don't think so now......
No, you can't.

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