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Old 10-10-2011, 08:24 AM   #1
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New headlights. (Shhh, don't tell Hilldweller)

So, I had been debating getting a new set of headlights to improve the "less than stellar" stock JK headlight performance. I tried a set of Silverstar H13s, but they didn't really do much other than make the light whiter. I was looking specifically at the Delta Quad Bar lights, having seen them for myself on a buddy's Jeep. Then I saw Delta's new Hi/Lo H4 Conversion, which is supposedly the same thing except for the metal bars inside the lenses. Knowing the Quadratec tent sale was coming up, I held off until Saturday, when I could pick them up with a discount. I ended up getting them for just under $100. I figure even after I upgrade the bulbs to the Philips +80, I'll still have saved a nice chunk of change. I can even make my own harness and wire them directly to the battery, if need be.
So yesterday, I installed them. Piece of cake. They come with a silicon o-ring looking gasket, to improve fitment with the JK's stock headlight rings. They do the trick. The adapter harness is well made, as are the dust boots. I put them right in, without making any other adjustments. I paid close attention to making sure the mounting tabs all fit correctly, because the Delta's had a tendency to not want to fit in all 3 tabs. So, I know they're installed properly.
Last night, I took a quick ride around the block. The headlights were TERRIBLE. Very low and very focused in the middle. They were really overlapping the stock fogs, so I know something isn't right. If you look closely, you can see the faces of the headlight lenses point inwards. They do seem to put out more light, but they definitely need to be aimed properly.
I've read a bunch of headlight swap threads, but most say they didn't have to adjust the aim, unless they were lifted. I've also read generally good reviews on the Delta setups, so I'm wondering what the deal is. I adjusted the aim by one complete turn on the adjustment screw (One axis adjustment? Seriously, Jeep?). They definitely look like they need to come up and out more, but the small adjustment helped. Hopefully I can bring the lows up and out where they need to be, without knocking owls out of trees with the highs. I'll report back once I've got them adjusted.

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Did this kit replace the stock reflectors? If not, that's your next step. The Hellas with the Rallylights kit are pretty sweet.

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Did this kit replace the stock reflectors? If not, that's your next step. The Hellas with the Rallylights kit are pretty sweet.
Yes. Reflectors, halogen bulbs, adapter harness. The ever so accurate "Turn lights on, stare directly into the beam" test says they're putting out more light. The look to cast more light on the road, just not where you want it. That's why I'm hoping adjusting them will help. If not, the kit will go on my 55 Chevy, which uses H4 style sealed beams.
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Yes. Reflectors, halogen bulbs, adapter harness. The ever so accurate "Turn lights on, stare directly into the beam" test says they're putting out more light. The look to cast more light on the road, just not where you want it. That's why I'm hoping adjusting them will help. If not, the kit will go on my 55 Chevy, which uses H4 style sealed beams.
I'm not optimistic, unless you've tweaked the mounts in the past. This should be a plug-n-play upgrade requiring no adjustments.

A 55 Chevy?
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I'm not optimistic, unless you've tweaked the mounts in the past. This should be a plug-n-play upgrade requiring no adjustments.

A 55 Chevy?
That was my thought, but I'm hopeful as the small adjustment I made was an improvement. I may email Delta as well, just to confirm fitment.

Yup, this is why I don't have much mode money for the Jeep
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Original or restored ?? ^^
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You'll always need to reaim the headlights properly after a swap. A 1/10th of an inch difference in reflector placement can affect the placement of the light a whole bunch (scientific term). Don't think that just because you have to reaim them that they're a POS ... but it also doesn't mean that they're awesome, I have no experience with those units.

Give them a good aiming and try again, if they're crap, then at least we know that now!
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Original or restored ?? ^^
Restomod. The body is factory appearing, but all the mechanical bits have been changed. She's pretty quick, but still handles like a dump truck.
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You'll always need to reaim the headlights properly after a swap. A 1/10th of an inch difference in reflector placement can affect the placement of the light a whole bunch (scientific term). Don't think that just because you have to reaim them that they're a POS ... but it also doesn't mean that they're awesome, I have no experience with those units.

Give them a good aiming and try again, if they're crap, then at least we know that now!
I'm not expecting night and day, but most guys have said they made a nice difference. For the price, I said why not. I do plan on aiming them properly this evening.
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Restomod. The body is factory appearing, but all the mechanical bits have been changed. She's pretty quick, but still handles like a dump truck.
But looks NICE
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Im getting the hella kit from rally for my b-day wich is next week and after reading 7+ pages on headlights im going this route
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Im getting the hella kit from rally for my b-day wich is next week and after reading 7+ pages on headlights im going this route
Installed over the weekend...big improvement....high beams turn out street lights...
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Installed over the weekend...big improvement....high beams turn out street lights...
Sweet... trying to talk wife into giving to me early .i keep saying man hope the weather is nice next week knowing my luck it will get cold ..hehe
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So I now have 3 full turns on the adjustment screws, and it has helped. They have a definite V beam pattern, with a pretty sharp cutoff. They do appear to be better than the H13 Silverstars I was running. I think I will replace the standard Delta bulbs with a set of Philips +80 bulbs.
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The reflectors/housings and pigtails are pretty nice. sharp cutoff on the lows after adjustments and a nice pattern. the bulbs they included were garbage, so I ditched them. So $100 for the kit, I had a set of H4 bulbs lying around, $25 for a wiring harness/relay from ebay to run power from the battery, and I'm out a grand total of $125, for much improved lighting.

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So I now have 3 full turns on the adjustment screws, and it has helped. They have a definite V beam pattern, with a pretty sharp cutoff. They do appear to be better than the H13 Silverstars I was running. I think I will replace the standard Delta bulbs with a set of Philips +80 bulbs.
Saw this for adjusting headlights awhile back:

Park 25' from a wall, garage, etc.

Put a piece of electrician's tape 3' up on the wall.

Turn headlights on and adjust headlights w/a T-15 torx (not one that takes different bits; a skinny, one-piece one...that way you can adjust through the gap between headlight & grill).

adjust until headlights are aimed just under the tape.

If the light pattern still sucks, chances are the headlights themselves suck.

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I've got them dialed in just about perfect. It's pretty amazing how much the beam moves when you turn the adjustment screw. I'd like to see 2 axis adjustment, but oh well. The bottom line with the Delta kit is that it works noticeably better than stock, at least when you dump their "Xenon" bulbs. The pattern and the light cast on the road is much improved, and apparently I'm not blinding any drivers, since I have yet to get flashed, even when I had them adjusted too high. The lens is thick and sturdy. The bead of sealant between the lens and reflector is thick and uniform, the reflectors are solid. I know this because I dropped one on my garage floor from about 2 feet, and it survived with no issues. I've done enough automotive wiring to know the pigtails are decent quality. The connector clips nice and tight to the factory harness and the wires are thick and flexible, like they should be. Are they REALLY DOT compliant? I don't know, and frankly, I don't care. The lens is stamped as such and Delta says they are, for whatever that's worth. So for a grand total of just under $100 total invested, they're definitely worth the price. Just don't bother with the "Xenon" kit, get the standard halogen instead. I do plan on wiring the power through a relay and to the battery, and at that point, I'll be about $125 into it.
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The 2 axis adjustment works well, we have them down here (Euro spec) due to the different light pattern. Ours are perfectly flat cutoff line from drivers side to around 20 degrees or so off to the passenger side then kick up to light up further up the side of the road. Because of the kick up they need to be adjustable left/right as well as up down.

We have the electrical leveller on ours (do you guys?) and on the back of the adjuster is a white plastic ring to adjust up/down. The torx screw on the headlight ring adjusts left/right on ours.

This is a pic O found to show the difference in light pattern:

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We have auto-levelers on OE HID systems and single axis adjustment as a standard on halogen.
Most highbeams are permanent or fixed to the lowbeam.

Automotive lighting is very lightly enforced/regulated in North America. Too many other things to enforce...
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SeaComms: That Euro pattern is exactly what my Deltas look like. They kick up on the right side, and it's a vast improvement over factory.
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Update: Finally picked up the Philips +80 bulbs and installed them. They definitely made a nice difference. The lows are noticeably brighter, and fill in some of the dimmer areas of the light pattern from the included low end H4 bulbs, and the run of the mill replacement H4s I tried. High beams are night and day better over the factory H13 setup, and actually provide enough light and an improved pattern to see where you're going. The Philips H4 bulbs really made all the difference with this kit.
I haven't picked up a harness to wire them directly to the battery yet, so at this point I've got about $130 wrapped up in them. They are definitely worth the price when you replace the bulbs with something better, but I'm sure there are better options out there, for more money.
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Update: Finally picked up the Philips +80 bulbs and installed them. They definitely made a nice difference. The lows are noticeably brighter, and fill in some of the dimmer areas of the light pattern from the included low end H4 bulbs, and the run of the mill replacement H4s I tried. High beams are night and day better over the factory H13 setup, and actually provide enough light and an improved pattern to see where you're going. The Philips H4 bulbs really made all the difference with this kit.
I haven't picked up a harness to wire them directly to the battery yet, so at this point I've got about $130 wrapped up in them. They are definitely worth the price when you replace the bulbs with something better, but I'm sure there are better options out there, for more money.
How easy was it to replace the blue bulbs that came with the Delta kit with the Philips? Do you still need the harness that comes with the kit or did they plug into the stock connection? My wife got me these for Christmas but I'm thinking I want to add the Phillips 9008s and not mess with the blue bulbs.
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It's just as easy as replacing your stock bulbs. You still need the H4 adapter harness. Make sure to adjust your headlights up after the swap. I settled on 1.5 turns up after my lift.
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Click LINK for headlight aiming instructions.

Delta has both ECE and DOT so pick the right application for the product you have.
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Well I couldn't get the Phillips 9008s in the Delta quad bar kit, they are just too long. So I just stuck with the blues. I know these are not the best lights but they look cool on my black jeep. Luckily I don't do much night driving and when I do it's on country roads. I think I got then position right but will know better once it get dark.
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Well I couldn't get the Phillips 9008s in the Delta quad bar kit, they are just too long. So I just stuck with the blues. I know these are not the best lights but they look cool on my black jeep. Luckily I don't do much night driving and when I do it's on country roads. I think I got then position right but will know better once it get dark.
What you want for the H4 is Philips X-treme Power +80, same size as your blue bulbs. They are 9003xps2, night and day change from blue bulbs. they will make you Delta quad H4 come to life.

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