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Old 05-26-2011, 09:11 AM   #1
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Getting my 2011 Sport S this weekend, and having never owned a Jeep before, I have a few questions hopefully the WF members can help me with. Flame Red, Manual Transmission in case anyone's curious.

All of the below questions I asked the dealership but they didn't know.

1. I am in Canada, and I've gotten 50/50 answers on the legality of driving with the doors off. Some say it's fine and perfectly legal, and cite examples of Fedex and Mail trucks having no doors. My counter-argument is the doors are actually just slid open and the door is physically still there. Does anyone know about the legal aspects? Can I get a ticket driving with no doors?

2. Assuming it is fine to drive with no doors in Canada, side mirrors are attached to the doors, do I need to buy some other "stick on" mirrors for when I drive with doors off?

3. Let's say I'm driving on the highway, nice and straight, dry pavement. I'd want to save the fuel economy and switch to 2-Wheel Drive. Do I need to pull over and stop the Jeep to switch? Or can I just reach down and strong arm the shifter while doing 100km/h?

4. Electronics in the car, I realize they're not waterproof, but are they at least water resistant? If I'm driving with no top accessible to me and low and behold it starts to rain, is my non-nav package stereo about to be an expensive door stop? Or can it take some rain? Should I invest in "Marine Grade" stereo systems and speakers?

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As for the first 2 questions, you would be best to check our local regulations instead of taking someones word for it. For Q3, you should be driving in 2wd for normal driving anyway, there are certain times for 4wd but not driving on dry pavement. Q4, you should be fine, the Jeep is afterall designed to get wet and be fine, as long as the radio isnt submerged, I wouldnt see the need to get Marine grade equipment.

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Getting my 2011 Sport S this weekend, and having never owned a Jeep before, I have a few questions hopefully the WF members can help me with. Flame Red, Manual Transmission in case anyone's curious.

All of the below questions I asked the dealership but they didn't know.

1. I am in Canada, and I've gotten 50/50 answers on the legality of driving with the doors off. Some say it's fine and perfectly legal, and cite examples of Fedex and Mail trucks having no doors. My counter-argument is the doors are actually just slid open and the door is physically still there. Does anyone know about the legal aspects? Can I get a ticket driving with no doors?

Check with your local authorities, as laws vary by location.

2. Assuming it is fine to drive with no doors in Canada, side mirrors are attached to the doors, do I need to buy some other "stick on" mirrors for when I drive with doors off?

You can put motorcycle mirrors in the hinge holes or buy mirror relocation brackets if more than one mirror is required by law.

3. Let's say I'm driving on the highway, nice and straight, dry pavement. I'd want to save the fuel economy and switch to 2-Wheel Drive. Do I need to pull over and stop the Jeep to switch? Or can I just reach down and strong arm the shifter while doing 100km/h?

You should always be in 2WD on pavement. 4x4 is for offroad use only when you cannot get traction in 2WD. You can switch to and from 4H up to 50mph according to the owners manua, but honestly if you can safely drive 50mph, you shouldn't need 4H

4. Electronics in the car, I realize they're not waterproof, but are they at least water resistant? If I'm driving with no top accessible to me and low and behold it starts to rain, is my non-nav package stereo about to be an expensive door stop? Or can it take some rain? Should I invest in "Marine Grade" stereo systems and speakers?

I can't comment on that one.

Thanks a bunch in advance to anyone who answers one (or all) questions for me

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Thanks for the quick responses - I have checked local laws, there is no mention of doors off regulations. All it says is White coloured head lamps, red coloured tail lamps, working turn and 4 way lamps, and rear view mirror. Then it gets into the whole "obstructed view" stipulations, but no mention of side mirrors or functioning doors.

As for the whole 2WD/4H situation, if it's raining heavily out, wouldn't I want to switch to 4H for added traction and what not? Yes, I'm that new to Jeep's and 4WD vehicles.. my current car is a '96 Honda Civic lol


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I get plenty of traction in the rain and in 2WD. I remember seeing a website that was posted on the forum that had the laws by states, don't know if that included Canada or not. I would think you would be fine without the doors, the mirrors differ by location in the states, some need both mirrors, some just 1.
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Suppose I'll have to get over to the police station, see if they can tell me, and hopefully put it in writing to keep in the Jeep in case I get pulled over for that reason.

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if you license an ATV in canada can you drive it on the road? if so then you should be good with no doors. Arizona requirements are headlight, taillight, mirror.. other than that you are good, so just check that out and i think you'd be good
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I get plenty of traction in the rain and in 2WD. I remember seeing a website that was posted on the forum that had the laws by states, don't know if that included Canada or not. I would think you would be fine without the doors, the mirrors differ by location in the states, some need all three mirrors, some just 1.
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Thanks, Yea, I was just referring to the door mirrors, forgot about the inside rear view mirror.
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Thanks for the quick responses - I have checked local laws, there is no mention of doors off regulations. All it says is White coloured head lamps, red coloured tail lamps, working turn and 4 way lamps, and rear view mirror. Then it gets into the whole "obstructed view" stipulations, but no mention of side mirrors or functioning doors.

As for the whole 2WD/4H situation, if it's raining heavily out, wouldn't I want to switch to 4H for added traction and what not? Yes, I'm that new to Jeep's and 4WD vehicles.. my current car is a '96 Honda Civic lol


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I'm by no means familiar with Canadian vehicle laws, but if they are similar to the US laws, there probably is no specific regulation about the doors.

Most of the laws that affect this situation revolve around safety equipment--rear view mirrors, safety belts, etc.

In the US, mirror laws vary from state to state. Most call for at least one outside mirror and one inside mirror.

As has been stated previously, if you mount a motorcycle mirror in the door hinges, you most likely will comply with the regulations.

When you check with the local authorities, I would suggest just asking about the mirrors. i.e. "hey, if I take my doors off, all I need to do is mount a mirror in the hinges, correct?". If you ask them "is it illegal to take my doors off?" the (probably clueless, because no one has ever asked that question before) officer may say "yes" just to err on the side of caution. If it were me, I'd mount the mirror and call it a day. If they pull you over for the doors, its going to be a ticket, not a prison sentence.

Last but not least, if it were illegal in Canada I am pretty sure the dealers would have been forced by now to sell the Jeeps with a big orange safety sticker saying "never take the doors off".

Hope that helps.

P.S. I run without doors from time to time and have yet to mount an extra mirror. I have been lazy and haven't gotten one. I've never been pulled over for it.
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Found this on a different site during my extensive search, directly relates to the Ontario Highway Traffic Act:

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66. (1) Every motor vehicle other than a motorcycle shall be equipped with, (b) a mirror or mirrors securely attached to the vehicle and placed in such a position as to afford the driver a clearly reflected view of the roadway in the rear, or of any vehicle approaching from the rear. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 66 (1).


Summary: 66 (1)(b) says a mirror that affords the driver a clear view to the rear. Therefore only one mirror is required, and you still have your centre rear view mirror when the doors are taken off. If the back of your Jeep was loaded with cargo and the rear view mirror was blocked you could get a ticket.
So, as long as I don't stack my Jeep with piles o' crap, and can see the car behind me, I'm good. I removed the (a) portion of this quote, it relates to requiring I have a windshield wiper in working order.
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You've gotten all the answers you need, so I just want to reiterate that you should never be in 4WD if 2WD will do.

You can search around on the topic, but the basic idea is twofold.

First, don't go faster than 50 mph in 4WD, though as Inferno said, if you can go 50 you surely don't need 4WD anyway. So turning on 4WD on the highway in the rain when you're going far in excess of 50 mph is a bad idea.

Second, the design of the 4WD system actually presupposes some slippage of the tires to work properly when cornering. If your tires aren't slipping a little, the internal components in your transfer case are going to take a beating and the Jeep will actually "hop" and "buck" during turns. This will cause premature wear and tear.

Stay out of 4WD unless you really need it. Even offroad, you often don't need 4WD.
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Gotcha.. stay in 2WD unless sh~t hits the fan
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Gotcha.. stay in 2WD unless sh~t hits the fan
or fit hits the shan like in the song...

I only use 4wd once 2wd is no longer an option. Or for when I plan on tearing through a mud hole. It can be used on DIRT roads, and should be engaged at least once a month so you know how to do it when you need it and to keep all the parts moving.
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It can be used on DIRT roads, and should be engaged at least once a month so you know how to do it when you need it and to keep all the parts moving.
And that's not a bad idea. So long as you're going straight and under 50 mph, you can engage 4WD on dry pavement if you wish without causing any damage. If you don't spend a lot of time offroad with it on, it's good to engage it every now and then just to make sure everything is still working.

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