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Old 07-10-2013, 09:56 AM   #1
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Hi, my names Mike and I'm a Jeep Virgin. I'm a Pisces, my hobbies include camping off the beaten path, motorcycle riding (adventure riding) and most other outdoor activities.

So anyway, i'm looking to get a jeep. You've read the thread a 1000 times i'm sure, so if this thread bugs you please ignore it, but if you can stand to read another "Should I Get This" thread then I would love your opinions.

I am looking at a 2009 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited. It has about 36,000 miles on it. It looks to have a lift on it, but not sure of the make or size. It has Pro-Comp Xtreme AT's in 35x13.5R20, they look to be brand new. Not sure of the rims. It has a winch on it not sure of the make or model. The vehicle is in very good condition, not dents just a couple scratches. It's at a dealership, they want $30,000 for it.

Everything I have been able to find in my area is right around $26k to $28k for a used stock rubicon. This one is more expensive but it already has the lift/tires/winch, and I love the color..

I'm not really looking to buy new, cause it would cost me well over $40k to get what I want. This will be a mostly weekend warrior rig, along with a little bit of around town stuff (I ride all year round, and we have 2 other vehicles)

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(can't get my pic to show up but here it is.)

So my questions are.. Be nice I'm a noob.
1. Is this a good deal?
2. Are the tire and rim combo worth a damn or are they just Pimp style?
3. How do I determine the brand and size of lift it has by looking?
4. Anything I should be specifically checking for.

Thanks for the help
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#1 what do you plan to use it for ?rock crawling mudding trail riding. in My opinion you really need to think of what kind of wheeling you want to do where you live has a lot to do with it .mountains verses flatlands you would be surprised what a stock JK can do where I live in FL you can buy a brand new JK x or sport for under 30K and have a heck of a warranty you really need to way the pro's and cons new verses used a simple X model around 21-23K for another 3-4K you could put a lot of goodies on it and have a very capable 4x4 NEW for under 30K its a hard decision good luck and welcome to the CLUB.

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So my questions are.. Be nice I'm a noob.
1. Is this a good deal?
2. Are the tire and rim combo worth a damn or are they just Pimp style?
3. How do I determine the brand and size of lift it has by looking?
4. Anything I should be specifically checking for.
Thanks for the help
Mike
Hi Mike!
I'm glad I went with my Rubicon. I went new because the Jeeps hold their price very well, so for the price of a 2010+ I might as well get a new one. Like Joe Buell said, you get the warranty. But also, nice looking Jeep. People talk about what you will use it for. That is true, you do need to consider that. But also, you must consider what you WANT. I didn't want to get stuck in the mud with two open differentials while both right wheels spin. I didn't want to wonder what it could have been. Now on to your questions

  1. I don't know: I'm still a newbie Jeep owner myself
  2. I don't know: I'm still a newbie Jeep owner myself
  3. I don't know: I'm still a newbie Jeep owner myself
  4. I don't know: I'm still a newbie Jeep owner myself
Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. Good luck in your quest!
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I should have prefaced this whole post by saying, I have basically no mechanical skils. So that kinda weighs on my decision also..

As for what I plan to do with it. I live in Eastern Washington, which is a desert, but I am surrounded by mountains, basically 2 hours in any direction. I camp quite a bit in the Cascade Mountains, and do my adventure riding there.. It's narrow forest and logging roads.. I also head to the Oregon coast about once a year or so..

Also my issue with buying new is to get what I want will cost about 10 to 12k more than this jeep, which will easily cover an extended warrentee from the dealership.. Don't know why but I kinda have my heart set on a Rubicon.. Don't know if I'll every utilize it to its full capability..

Question #5 Carfax lists it as purchased and used in Canada originally then sold to the dealer this year in the US. They said it wasn't a rental, so that's good. Is there any concern of it being originally from Canada?

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Old 07-10-2013, 12:35 PM   #5
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I'd buy a new stock JKU for that. Unless you're doing something where you know you need the beefier front axle and better transfer case, 30k is a hell of a lot of money for something with an unknown history.

I'd rather have the 85 extra ponies of the Pentastar over those things, too, but we could have totally different needs. As someone who does pretty much all the work on my own vehicles, I'd run away screaming from a Jeep with a winch or a trailer hitch on it.
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Can't see the pic, but assuming it is an auto and has a hard top that Jeep would book for a little under 30k without mods. The wheel/tire combo is more for looks than anything else. 20inch rims offer zero advantages for a Jeep but do come with some disadvantages (one of them being that replacement tires will be $$$$$)

With those tires and a 3.8 engine make sure the gearing is right. And that the lift was done right. May want to have it inspected by a 4wd shop.
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I can't see any of the pics, but I would tend to shy away from a $30K used vehicle. It could be in perfect shape, and was mall crawled on 20's....but I would still be cautious.

The problem here is that no one knows how much you will use the lockers, so it is hard to say if you need a Rubi or not.
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So my questions are.. Be nice I'm a noob.
1. Is this a good deal?
- Since the other rubi's in your area are about the same price, then yes its a good deal with all the extra goodies.

2. Are the tire and rim combo worth a damn or are they just Pimp style?
-20's?? expect to rough up the wheel going offroad. 15-17's are in the play it safe category. 18's are kinna pushing it. 20's are mall crawl. those wheels look pretty good and i'd stay away from offroading if possible. they are too nice to mess up.

3. How do I determine the brand and size of lift it has by looking?
this is where it gets interesting. some coils don't have a name on it and people change tend to change shocks most of the time. looks like a 3.5 inch lift.

4. Anything I should be specifically checking for.
check it has upgraded control arms, if all the switches/lights work. thats all i can think of for now.

Thanks for the help
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30k for a now going on 5 year old jeep with the 3.8l, 20s that should come off, and likely a cheap lift? I would pass.
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Thanks for the info and fixing my pic..

TOK: Why would you shy away from anything with a winch and or hitch?

Here is some underside pics, not sure what I'm looking at though..


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lift brand...superlift maybe just by looking at the shock cover and guessing by height. Not many people would change it to yellow unless it comes from the manufacturer. it just maybe be the superlift 4'.
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If I could get the dealership to swap out the tires and rims, what would I ask for? Once again sorry for the stupid questions but I have no knowledge of these things..
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you could go to a tire shop and trade em in for cheaper/more capable set. 15'-17' and 35's.
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Old 07-10-2013, 01:29 PM   #14
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If the dealer will swap them out, what do you guys think of
BF Goodrich Tires 35x12.50R15, Mud-Terrain T/A KM2
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nice choice. now your gonna need some wheels.

quick crash course.

15 aluminum will fit
15 steel may/may not fit

4.5 backspacing or less.
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TOK: Why would you shy away from anything with a winch and or hitch?
Because to me, they indicate a chance that its had the crap hammered out of it. If its an automatic, just moving a stock vehicle without falling apart seems to be a challenge for the Chrysler 4 speed.

I have no objection to anyone doing anything to their Jeeps or using them any way they want, but I also wouldn't want to buy someone else's problems. Good luck to ya!
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^aesthetically the jeep has been well maintained and by just looking at the wheels/tire combo, it hasn't been pushed really hard. mall crawler.

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