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Old 07-27-2009, 06:42 PM   #1
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Hi all, I've spent a few hours reading the forum and it's been very informing.

I am a proud Boxster owner in Boston (my everyday drive - use my wife for winter drives :-) ), but I am facing the possibility to have to drive for an hour or so to go to work next winter. So, I am not willing to kill the Porsche :-)

I used to own an SUV (Ford) in the past, having a lot of off-road fun (at least up to the point that the SUV could do it), so I am thinking of getting a Rubi.

Have a few questions and I am hopping you can help

- Is a Wrangler a "wise" choice for long everyday drives?
- Is a 2-door Wrangler a baby friendly car? (I don't like the unlimited and there is a baby coming :-) )
- Is it a good time now to get a Wrangler, or is there something to wait (there is a $1500 rebate now, but I've read that last spring the price was even lower?)
- Should I get a new 2009 or try to find a 2007-2008 lightly used one?

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I'll try to answer some of your questions based on my opinions.

First and foremost, I love my Jeep. This is the first vehicle I bought brand new because I knew I was going to keep it forever and I wanted to be the one responsible for all the work into the jeep. Also, lifetime powertrain for original owner and 7/70000 bumper to bumper makes owning the jeep more worry-free.

By saying this, my expectation of the jeep will be used as a third vehicle once it is payed off mostly because of what you mentioned. My dad has had a jeep for about 6 years so I was well prepared for the "ruggedness" of the jeep and never planned it as a family vehicle.

A "wise" choice for long everyday rides... NO. A jeep is not a "wise" vehicle in any regard unless you live in the mountains and there are no roads to your house. The MPG is not good, the aerodynamics are not good, noise level is high... but damn is it fun to drive!

A baby friendly car... NO (for 2drs). I have nothing against the 4drs, but I have always wanted the 2dr due to the looks. Once I have a child, the third vehicle will come because it is difficult to get anything in the back seat, let alone a small child and seat. The passenger seat will automatically shut off the airbag once it senses a small child (weight wise). For a family, the 4dr is the way to go.

Is it a good time to get a Wrangler... Not the best time. My rebates equaled $4000-4500 (can't remember exact) and got a higher than KBB value on my trade-in. With the factory shut down, there is a shortage of wrangler at dealerships.

I really don't want you to shy away from a vehicle that so many love, but if you have never owned/had a person close to you own one, please know the limitations. Try to rent one for a week and make the best choice.

I love mine and would not trade it in for anything. However, I had expectations of what the jeep was being used for.

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X2 what he said. 2 doors and car seats/babies are not any fun at all. Especially a TJ with the top on....
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Old 07-27-2009, 08:37 PM   #4
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I have had a "normal" family car once. I almost killed myself in it because I was driving it as a sports car. It lasted 10 days. So let's call it a superstition... I am not buying a family car again ever...

Another option would be an SUV. Had one and I was climbing mountains with it in Greece looking for the best unknown little beach, had been stuck in the snow (yes there are a few places in Greece where it shows LOL) and so. What's the point in having an SUV? You think you can go everywhere and then you realize that you really can't...

MPG is not an issue for me (I would have to recycle more and find other ways to save the planet) and of course noise is not an issue (a Porsche is not a quite car :-)).

Now the "fitting the child into the the back seat" issue would be a show stopper. Is it impossible, hard or just not as comfort as you would prefer?

I am Greek... One thing I can't understand with Americans is that they don't try to enjoy driving... Especially since they are spending so much time in their cars. The best part of my day is commuting to work with the little Boxster. If it's not raining, snowing etc etc of course

Anyways, let me make my questions more specific
- Is a Wrangler a "wise" choice for long everyday drives? (is is safe and up to it?)
- Is a 2-door Wrangler a baby friendly car? (I don't like the unlimited and there is a baby coming :-) ) Anyone with experience in this?
- Is it a good time now to get a Wrangler, or is there something to wait (there is a $1500 rebate now, but I've read that last spring the price was even lower?). Is there anything particular to wait?
- Should I get a new 2009 or try to find a 2007-2008 lightly used one? I do not see a huge difference in price, so what's the point?

Thanks again...
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- Is a Wrangler a "wise" choice for long everyday drives? (is is safe and up to it?)
The Wrangler is a perfectly safe car for long everyday drives. The only down side for a long drive is MPG and you said that's not an issue. You want fun and enjoyment? The JK is the way to go.

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- Is a 2-door Wrangler a baby friendly car? (I don't like the unlimited and there is a baby coming :-) ) Anyone with experience in this?
I think this has been answered. The 2 - door backseat is not very easy to get into. On my old CJ7 the passenger seat moved forward and tilted up toward the window giving fairly easy access. The JK passenger seat tilts slightly forward and slides up a little. It's not an easy climb to get in the back. Once you get a car seat in there I would recommend leaving it. That would make infant carriers very difficult to maneuver in and out. Once the baby is about a year old and moves to a regular car seat it won't be so bad to place the baby in the already secured car seat. Once the baby is about 2, they can get them self in the seat and you just strap them in. Go to the dealer and check the passenger seat out. Then you can decide if it's worth the hassle.

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No one has a crystal ball. If I were to guess, I would say the best time to buy a Wrangler is the Spring. Jeep dealers consider summer time "Wrangler season" and they aren't as willing to cut deals.


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- Should I get a new 2009 or try to find a 2007-2008 lightly used one? I do not see a huge difference in price, so what's the point?
That's a personal choice. I like the comfort of the lifetime power train warranty because I plan on keeping my JK a long time and I will be putting a lot of miles on it.

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I think your questions have been answered pretty well by OC but, Let's just put it this way. If you have your heart set on owning a Jeep then go for it. You also have to realize that even moreso than a family car, you can not handle a jeep like a sports car. The transition from a BMW to a jeeps handling was a real eye opener to me. No sharp turns at 50-60mph, No 0-60 on 6 seconds. It is not a good daily driver for distance, but if you don't mind the low fuel economy, again go for it. I would not recommend it for transporting an infant. Almost no access to the rear seat but you mentioned your wife's ride, so use that for the baby. In other words, It is ultimately up to you to decide. I love my Jeep and hardly ever drive my BMW anymore but I'm not putting 100 miles on it daily either. I think renting for a week is a very wise suggestion.
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Seriously, take a doll with you to drive a 2 door. Figure out what you're gonna do with the baby when it takes 2 hands to move the passenger seat... Do this, oh about 25 or 50 times, then make your decision.
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OK, I'm going to wade in. As you can see by my signature, I have the 4 door. I have a few reasons that I got it. I don't have any youngsters. My two are twenty and fourteen. I have driven quite a few two door jeeps over the years and was not particularly interested because of how it rode. A little bouncy front to back especially when in low gears. But the main reason I got the 4 door was the towing capacity. In my case, the four door was also a wife pleaser. I didn't have to make any excuses to her about this or that concerning how it is put together. If I still own this car when grand children come along I am totally not concerned about putting them in it or any issues with roll over as the Jeep has become noted for during sharp steering changes for accident avoidance. The four door is more stable just by way of wheel base on the stock vehicle, two door vs. four door. I have gone through the family years in family vehicles. All four door station wagons or sedans. Mostly conservative on fuel with 4 cylinders. Before the Jeep I did the soccer dad thing with a caravan. I got this ride for pure fun and pure fun it has been. I have had it off road quite a lot and put quite a few miles on it on the highway. I may never use all of its capabilities but I had the money and I went for the Rubicon. I thank my wife often for letting me get it. I've been in a boy scout camp since June 22 in New Hampshire. I take it confidently off road and I like the insurance policy that having the Rubicon gives in terms of not getting stuck way off the beaten path in the middle of nowhere. I can tell you that the getting there on the high way is not as fun as the banging around in it off road. This is my daily driver. It is loud. It rides more like a truck than a passenger vehicle. The wind whips it all over the highway and sometimes I have to slow down to be safe. I think I've even gotten used to the wind sway and riding large wind blasts without changing lanes accidentally (in a 50 to 70 mph gust side wind). You learn quickly what it can and cannot do on the highway. Even with all of the little downsides, it is damn fun to drive and that somehow balances all if it out.

If I had a choice of a four door when my kids were young, I would have jumped at it if I could have afforded it. Lets face it, while raising a family, you are going to need a vehicle that is going to satisfy putting the youngster in and taking out loads of times and survive many family outings in comfort. Since I'm well past that part of my life, I have some different goals on the agenda. For instance, inspired by ccain in this forum, I can see myself in the near future purchasing an older two door and "painting it up" to look like a military vehicle. I saw one just a few days ago that looked immaculate painted up to look military. I believe it was an 86. Even the trailer was painted to match the jeep and it really looked awesome. I am interested in doing a simple spray can painting of an older jeep just because it is an interesting project. That jeep I will really put through its paces off road. And by the way, just because mine has 4 doors, doesn't mean it gets babied.

Here is the bottom line. You won't even notice the extra two doors if you like getting off the beaten path.
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It is all a personal opinion. I traded in my Boxster S recently for my 4-door Rubi so I can offer a little more direct insight. I do miss the agility, fun & raw power of my nimble roadster, but I was so worried about it getting dirty/scratched & too many miles that I babied it death. I put about 3k miles on my Boxster in about 3 years. I didn't have to trade it in, but it basically was just sitting in my garage & financially it was a total wash as I got a killer deal on my Rubicon due to the timing of the bankruptcy. I still own 2 other vehicles other than my JK. One is still German and the other is my DD, my 160K 5.7L Tahoe.

The Jeep stays in its garage and only gets used when I really want to just unwind and enjoy the benefits of a Jeep while not having to deal with the inherent limitations. (most of these have been covered by others here in this thread)

Having owned a CJ back in the day, I would not recommend a 2-door Jeep as a DD (especially if you are used to fine German engineering and fit/finish or even remotely concerned with decent MPG efficiency) & definitely not recommend it as a "mini-van" (baby/toddler) vehicle. The 4-door, I would have absolutely no qualms about recommending in all aspects including reasonably large & accessible rear seating.
(Still it is not an X5, X6 etc)

Time to buy? Probably the best time was when I lucked out and bought right before the bankruptcy --- got $10k off the MSRP on my Rubicon.

Oh btw, please don't get the impression that you NEED a Rubicon in order to match an average SUV offroad, you can easily get 90% of the capabilities in an X/Sahara trim as at the end of the day, they are all WRANGLERS. ---- Just don't get a 2wd X.... :P

I hope that some of this rambling helps.
If you just want the "fun of a Jeep", you might be better off just getting a used TJ, YJ JK or even CJ instead of buying new --- that way you don't have that much tied up into your offroad fun vehicle.

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Your SUV is not a Jeep, my Jeep is not an SUV.

And about the Rubicon, unless you plan on doing some serious off-roading or rock crawling with it, it's $3,000 of wasted money. Stick with an X if you just want the ability for a 4x4 and to go off-road sight seeing, or a Sahara if you want a little more 'comfort' options.
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- daggo66: thanks for making things clear

- InfernoGirl: Thank you very much for the comments. I would have to do some serious testing.

- jk'n: Really, I hate the looks of the 4 door Jeep. It loses the sportive feeling that the 2 door Wrangler creates. I guess the compromise in off road capability is not significant, but how can I buy a car that I don't like? Your point of view is very useful though.

- AndyLA: It;s not in my plans to sell the Porsche. I want the Jeep for a DD and off road fun. I've been modding the Porsche to such an extent I am not willing to sell it :-). Living in MA is harder for Boxster owners that tend to enjoy driving. It's like 6 months of snow here, so the fun would have to do with snow (that's why I am looking for a 4x4)

- Ursine and AndyLA: I am not comparing an SUV with a Jeep or vice versa. If I decide to go for an SUV I know exactly what I want. And, 3-5K extra for the Rubi (compared to the X) are well worth if you take into account the extra $$$ from a potential sale and of course what it would cost me when I'll realize that I am actually having fun off road and I want more. We buy 5-10 cars in our lives, I do not think that 3K should make any difference.

If it so hard for me to decide, consider how difficult it would be to convince my wife :-) But eventually it boils down to the very simple comment from JDsDream:

"If you have your heart set on owning a Jeep then go for it"

Whenever I make up my mind, convince my wife and get it (or not) I'll post news. Nonetheless, keep the post alive. It's very useful to potential new owners.
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I dont know --- the 4-door really grew on me...especially after owning a CJ I really had a tremendously hard time to accept it. After getting in my 4-door Rubi and realizing the amount of room, seating/storage/loading options, it totally made great sense.

Then after getting some great Raingler nets, XHD bumper & more mods on the way, I wouldn't go back to a 2-dr if it was free. Cannot tell me that once you drop the tops, the doors and add some killer lift kits and new shoes, the 4-door just rocks, no competition IMHO.

In any case, wish you the best.

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Hey, my first car was an Autobianchi (click the link).
This thing is a monster (giant) in my eyes

Still, amazing mods Andy... This could well be the best looking 4-door Rubi I've seen...
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George!

Maybe this can help:

Pros and Cons of Owning a Jeep Wrangler - Best and Worst Things About Jeeps

Don't forget to click on the blue links for the "20 Reasons you Should/Shouldn't own a Jeep Wrangler!" Good stuff!

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I dont know --- the 4-door really grew on me...especially after owning a CJ I really had a tremendously hard time to accept it. After getting in my 4-door Rubi and realizing the amount of room, seating/storage/loading options, it totally made great sense.

Then after getting some great Raingler nets, XHD bumper & more mods on the way, I wouldn't go back to a 2-dr if it was free. Cannot tell me that once you drop the tops, the doors and add some killer lift kits and new shoes, the 4-door just rocks, no competition IMHO.

In any case, wish you the best.

Don't you have the thing trained yet? Looks like it peed the driveway.
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- jk'n: Really, I hate the looks of the 4 door Jeep. It loses the sportive feeling that the 2 door Wrangler creates. I guess the compromise in off road capability is not significant, but how can I buy a car that I don't like? Your point of view is very useful though.


- Ursine and AndyLA: I am not comparing an SUV with a Jeep or vice versa. If I decide to go for an SUV I know exactly what I want. And, 3-5K extra for the Rubi (compared to the X) are well worth if you take into account the extra $$$ from a potential sale and of course what it would cost me when I'll realize that I am actually having fun off road and I want more. We buy 5-10 cars in our lives, I do not think that 3K should make any difference.

If it so hard for me to decide, consider how difficult it would be to convince my wife :-) But eventually it boils down to the very simple comment from JDsDream:

"If you have your heart set on owning a Jeep then go for it"
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I have a 4 door but my comment isn't intended to try and sway you into buying a 4 door. My kids are grown and married so I don't have to worry about fitting baby carriers in the back, unless I'm taking the grandkinds along. Personally, if there is going to be a baby in the future I would not consider a 2 door. All the talk seems to centered around fitting a baby seat into the the back...getting it in or out. What about in an emergency situation? It's going to be a big pain in the a** to get a baby seat in and out on a regular basis but I wouldn't want to have to try it under the stress of an emergency. I know people do it so it can be done...you just have to weigh the pros and cons. Once a kid can sit facing forward and can manuver themselves around, I have less concern with it.
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Don't you have the thing trained yet? Looks like it peed the driveway.
It just gets nervous having its picture taken....

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I didn't notice the piddle until daggo66 pointed it out. Great reply Andy, got a pretty good chuckle

I see a couple of themes going on here regarding the baby on the way aspect of the jeep purchase. One is the practicality of the four door vs the two door. The other is the once you get it it grows on you theme. AndyLA did a good job on that note. BTW, the jeep is looking awesome Andy. I wish I had enough time to doll mine up like that. I guess I'm saving up all my dirt to be washed off all at once at the end of the summer. The camp here in NH is keeping me so busy I haven't had ANY free time.

In my case I may end up doing the four door as my daily driver and get an older two door for banging up (I mean around) in on the trails and as a hobby fixer upper. Not that I won't put the four door through its paces every chance I get.

Great discussion going on in general. I enjoy hearing about what thought process goes into the decision to buy a jeep. That is just another aspect of jeep ownership that makes me feel like I'm part of a "club" or social group.
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Bottom line for the OP;
I have had my 2dr JK for 4 months and in that short time I know that when I do have a child, I will be purchasing a DD. If I had the 4dr, this would not be an issue. Like you I love the look of the 2dr. I knew going into my purchase that it would be turned it to a 3rd vehicle so I have no doubts in my vehicle purchase.

The worst thing is having doubt about a vehicle. I had a BMW and although it looked great and rode great, I never felt comfortable. I couldn't get ride of that thing quick of enough. Take your time and make the right choice with the correct expectations.

All your other concerns instead of the baby issue, I think can be thrown out. This is the one decision you have to make and really the only way to find out if will become an issue is to do some field work. Go to your dealership, rent a 2dr Wrangler, borrow a friends... anything you can do before making the big decision.
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Hi again,

after a lot of thinking, some test driving and some futuristic thinking, well I love this car :-). My wife will trade her Focus for a brand new Mazda5 (trade + $$$), so baby problem solved

So, I would appreciate some help.

1) Soft top, hard top, freedom top, aftermarket top... too many... given that I live in New England (MA now, CT later) what is needed?

2) Options? What do you suggest? I am definitely getting the 4-speed automatic, but I am still uncertain about
- Dual top group (is it really worth the extra $1600)
- Power convenience (I know it's a Wrangler, but come on! no power windows and no central lock?)
- very much interested in the nav system, but still too expensive...

4) Make some fun/spam about the color. After seeing all of them I think I prefer the black. But still the yellow looks good!
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okay, here we go.
1. I purchased mine with the hard top in the month of November. On the 1st nice day of early spring I placed the order for my sunrider/soft top. It didn't make sense to me to own a jeep and not go topless. The hardtop weighs a ton and is no fun to remove or replace. Once I got the soft top installed, that was it. The hard top has been taking up space in my garage for 2 years now. I realize that you are going to be dealing with snow and extreme cold, but the soft tops are well insulated and the heat in the Jeep is more then adaquate to keep you warm. Again it's a personal decision and if you have someone that doesn't mind helping you with it or you purchase the overhead hoist you might want the hard top. Of course if you get caught in a storm and your hard top is home in the garage, Well you get wet. I on the other hand find a place to pull over and simply put my top up.

2. power convenience. It is hard to get used to manually rolling down windows and reaching across to unlock doors, but it's a Jeep. If you feel that you have to have these luxuries, that decision is yours.
Nav system, if your job requires you to travel in unfamiliar territory, then yes it's a good idea. Just remember whatever you put in it, a thief can remove. I think you would be better off buying an aftermarket nav that can be removed and stashed away in the console when not in use.

3. Hey what happened to 3, what you don't like the number 3?

4. Color is way too personal to even comment on, but the yellow will be easier to find in the dark. LOL
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Old 08-31-2009, 12:17 AM   #24
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Sounds like you are getting close to a decision to buy. First, good luck deciding. That is part of the fun of ownership.

I have both tops. I take off the hard top sometime in May (or earlier if the weather is nice) and put the hard top on two two by fours in the back yard. It sits there until sometime in October (November depending on weather). Having the soft on all summer adds to the fun of owning the jeep. I felt that it was worth the cost and still do. I had mine added in the deal and wanted it included in the closing so that it could be included in the finance figuring. The dealership was happy to accommodate this request.

Being that I have the Rubicon, it has many features. The nav system was included with an upgraded sound system. The sound system is awesome. Having the nav system as part of the sound system may actually deter theft. If you buy an after-market nav system, it becomes an attractive nuisance that a thief may break into your jeep for. So don't dismiss that option too quickly.

I have the power convenience group package. I like having the power windows and keyless entry/alarm system. I could do without it but like the convenience.

My color is Red Rock and it was the color of choice when purchased. I like all of the colors in the line up and that is definately a tough choice.

Have fun with your choices. Post pictures of the results.
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well my .02 is I had a CJ-7 for 20yrs, 2 car seats for my girls & 2 Rotties that would ride with us. It was my DD for most of that time, my girls loved it and couldn't wait to go camping or just a trip off road to play in the mud or tank trails of Ft Hood. fast forward to today and I am riding in a 4dr JK that I would not trade for a 2dr for any reason. Recently had the grand kids for 2 weeks and they were constantly asking to "take the cover off" so they could ride around in open air.
My girlfriend has a 2yo boy that can't wait to get into the Jeep and prefers it to moms Mazda3.
Daily drives are what you make of it,
Want great milage? NO Jeep, buy a Prius
Aerocynamics & great handling? NO Jeep, keep ur Boxter
Leather, power everything? NO Jeep, buy a Cayanne
Awesome stereo with tv in headrest? NO Jeep, get a Porsche, Escalade, BMW etc etc

Want a fun vehicle (Jeep shouldn't be called a CAR) then get a Wrangler and simply drive it. You will find yourself looking at back roads that turn into dirt roads in a whole different way. Get the 2dr if thats what you like, after all you are the one making the payments on it. I got the 4dr because i wanted the larger rear/trunk space. want to lock it up? get an Add-a-trunk or Tuffy storage locker.
A Jeep is not a good DD. Says who? That is exactly what the "experts" say, but mine is a DD and I love it. I plan to keep this one for at least 20 years as I did my CJ.
I know I'm rambling here but just do as suggested earlier, borrow a friends, rent one for a week, heck really try them and rent a 2dr & a 4dr to get the feel of them both. The little Wrangler just may surprise you enough that you say HMMM this ain't so bad after all. Plus when you're driving don't think all those other Jeep drivers are crazy or that they all are mistaking you for someone else, it's just them being friendly and doing the Jeep wave.
As has been said already, take a test drive, research and see if it offers what you want and can you live with a few basics as opposed to "must have" the latest & greatest. After all you have to make the payments.
Good luck with the hunt.

P.S. If you like the Detonator Yellow then you will be buying an '09 as that color along with Sunburst Orange (my favorite) are not available on the 2010's
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I live near Syracuse, NY, so we certainly have our share of snow and cold for many months out of the year. I've owned 3 Wranglers--two of which only had soft tops--and I have never had a problem with them in the cold. Sometimes it is nice to have a rear wiper and defroster, but for the most part, I don't miss it. Plus, as everyone here will attest, there's nothing like flipping off the top in the summer!
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My last 2 cars were loaded with power everything. I did not want power windows or locks in my Jeep. I do not miss them one bit. I've only had the AC on a handfull of times and that was mostly due to hard rain that caused me to roll up the windows. I'm a soft top guy all the way. A hard top would be nice in the winter, but I don't have a place to store it and really don't want to be bothered with having to remove it.

My thinking is thre is no point to power locks, or any locks for that matter, when entry can still be gained via a zipper.
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We buy 5-10 cars in our lives, I do not think that 3K should make any difference.
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I have an '08 Sahara 2-door. In retrospect, I should have gotten a 4-door --- just me, the wife, & dog. But we camp alot.

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Hi again,

after a lot of thinking, some test driving and some futuristic thinking, well I love this car :-). My wife will trade her Focus for a brand new Mazda5 (trade + $$$), so baby problem solved

CONGRATS! You're getting that much closer to your Dream-Machine!

So, I would appreciate some help.

1) Soft top, hard top, freedom top, aftermarket top... too many... given that I live in New England (MA now, CT later) what is needed?

If you plan on going Topless in the Summer months, a Soft Top would be your best bet. I mean, it is afterall, a Jeep, which should be topless most months out of the year anyway! Just my preference! However, if you're Security Conscious, and feel the need to keep valuables in your Jeep, you may want to go with the Hard Top. I had the Hard Top on mine when I bought it (Friday), and the Dealer swapped it out for me on the following Wednesday, when they had an opening in Service. This was part of the original, "I'll-buy-it-if-you-swap-tops-for-me!", deal. I plan on going Topless 99% of the time, and only putting the top up in adverse weather, which is why I bought a Soft Top Boot too, recently. Even with the Freedom Hard Top, and the two removable panels, I still had no place to store the Hard Top when it was off.

2) Options? What do you suggest? I am definitely getting the 4-speed automatic, but I am still uncertain about
- Dual top group (is it really worth the extra $1600)

Would the Dual Top Option work for your needs? Do you have a place to store the Hard Top when it's off? Are you going to run it with the Top Up/Down most of the time?

- Power convenience (I know it's a Wrangler, but come on! no power windows and no central lock?)

I've gotten spoiled by most of my cars that had Power Convenience. However, I really didn't expect the Wrangler to have Power anything, and was susrprised when my Yellow one that I wanted, did in fact have the Power Convenience Package. I said, "COOL!", and never gave it a second thought.

- very much interested in the nav system, but still too expensive...

I took one of the DayStar Dash Trays, pictured here...



... added my former Garmin Nuvi 660 Motorcycle Mount to it with two screws...



... and I can mount my Garmin Nuvi 660 on it when I need to.



It's removable so I can lock it up, or take it inside with me. My 660 has Bluetooth and MP3 Capability, where I can plug it into my Stock RES Radio MP3 Jack (which lets me listen to my tunes via the Jeep's upgraded Alpine speakers), and I can plug the Power Cord into the Left Aux Power Plug. Works for me!

4) Make some fun/spam about the color. After seeing all of them I think I prefer the black. But still the yellow looks good!

GREAT COLOR, YELLOW! I wasn't going to buy a Jeep, unless I could find one in Yellow. My favorite color! I found one the first day I looked! As Jeepnpr mentioned above, the Yellow is gone after the '09 year. Get it now, if you can find one. Black is a GREAT color too! BTW, have you seen the Surf Blue? It's an '09 Color...

Best of Luck in your Search, George!

Cheers!

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