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Old 03-26-2012, 09:58 AM   #1
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Nissan Patrol safari 4.8 SWB 2012 or JK 3.6 SWB 2012

Hello, there is a comparison between those two cars in the off-roading club that I'm part of, and most people seems to agree that the nissan is the better choice. the below is an example

"In favor of the Nissan.

1- It have a stronger engine.
2- It have a heavy duty differentials with low gearing. It also have a heavy duty gearbox. The combination can sustain power numbers of up to 1000HP.
3- it comes with diff locks.
4- the car is more comfortable because of the fixed hard top.
5- Can easily be modified to accept a rear Jerry Can (some actually come pre-fitted with one).
6- Doesn't need much mods. Just a lift kit and a skid plate. (no regearing, no relocation brackets, no reinforcement ... etc).
7- Better resale value.

In favor of the Jeep
1- Smaller size make it less likely to get stuck.
2- Removable hard top for Nice weather seasons.
3- Loads of modes available in the market.
4- You can transfer your current modes to the new car.

Personally, I would go with the Nissan if I had the cash."

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These vehicles are not available in NA so you probably won't get much in the way of responses in this thread.

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Hello, there is a comparison between those two cars in the off-roading club that I'm part of, and most people seems to agree that the nissan is the better choice. the below is an example

"In favor of the Nissan.

1- It have a stronger engine. Not the 4.8L or 4.5L, but the 5.6L V8 is indeed more powerful that the current 285 hp engine offered in the JK.
2- It have a heavy duty differentials with low gearing. It also have a heavy duty gearbox. The combination can sustain power numbers of up to 1000HP. I have no idea. The JK Rubicon comes with D44 front/rear axles and can be had with 4.10 gearing. The t-case would be 4:1. What's in the Patrol?
3- it comes with diff locks. The JK Rubicon comes with front and rear lockers.
4- the car is more comfortable because of the fixed hard top. This doesn't make sense. The JK hard top is a hard top.
5- Can easily be modified to accept a rear Jerry Can (some actually come pre-fitted with one). The JK can as well.
6- Doesn't need much mods. Just a lift kit and a skid plate. (no regearing, no relocation brackets, no reinforcement ... etc). Doesn't need mods to do what? A JK rubicon can run 35" tires with a 2.5" lift, no regearing and or anything else. What size tires are you trying to run?
7- Better resale value. I think this is made up. I don't know about the specific resale values of Patrols, but Wranglers hold their resale value very, very well.

In favor of the Jeep
1- Smaller size make it less likely to get stuck.
2- Removable hard top for Nice weather seasons.
3- Loads of modes available in the market.
4- You can transfer your current modes to the new car.

Personally, I would go with the Nissan if I had the cash."
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if you have to ask, get the nissan.
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Old 03-26-2012, 12:50 PM   #8
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I'd say that the Nissan is hands down the winner. I saw some incredible pics of it with undercarriage neon lights, dubs, spinners, flexing next to an awe-inspiring ford flex....oh yeah. Definitely the Nissan.
Give me a break, I'd take the JKR any day.
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The look of the new ones is similar to the land cruiser. It looks whimpy and incapable of much. It may be a huge misconception but that is what I see when I look at it. The JK is a big brick, not aerodynamic at all. It looks as if it were built for slow speeds through the woods. If you look at all the great off roaders: jeep, defender, unimog, hummer/humvee, none of them are streamlined like this. They look masculine and ready to tackle the trails. That not so much...
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The patrol has a history of being a superb off roader, however as of late they seem to be going soft....I believe they also dropped the diesel engine. I'd go JK. For the doubters out there, you can find some pretty hardcore examples of the patrol in action if you look for them....now the 2012? Probably not so much.
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Old 03-26-2012, 03:03 PM   #12
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K I assume ur from Australia just from your rig choices if ur going buy petrol donk the choice is tough both are extremely capable rigs but for an all around rig and the fact you can put 35" tires with as little as a 2.5" lift and can find someone that is really comfortable working on US rigs then go with the Jeep but if your looking at diesel then Patrol all the way Australia is in love with that rig and it is what the wrangler is here in the US
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The look of the new ones is similar to the land cruiser. It looks whimpy and incapable of much. It may be a huge misconception but that is what I see when I look at it. The JK is a big brick, not aerodynamic at all. It looks as if it were built for slow speeds through the woods. If you look at all the great off roaders: jeep, defender, unimog, hummer/humvee, none of them are streamlined like this. They look masculine and ready to tackle the trails. That not so much...
Looks like a Suburu Outback. I almost stuck one in Wyoming with 2 wheels still on the pavement and the other two on the gravel by the side of the road.
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Im not being arrogant, but id like to seriously know why the big full size IFS SUV's are far more popular in Australia, than here in the States?
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When wheeling difficult terrain, nothing will beat a straight axle vehicle especially a Jeep. An IFS off roader will never compare. For streets and mild dirt roads, it is ok but when you start getting off camber and articulation is needed, good luck. My advice trade in your JK for one of these if you think it is better than the JK.

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Old 03-26-2012, 05:09 PM   #16
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What ever a Nissan Patrol is im sure it's a nice SUV... But nothing produced today is in the class of a Jeep JK(U) Wrangler when it comes to offroad activities.. Perhaps the power wagon as its got a truck body and truck power but has the heart of a wrangler
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Here are some pic of the 12 I think. not my cup of tea.

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What ever a Nissan Patrol is im sure it's a nice SUV... But nothing produced today is in the class of a Jeep JK(U) Wrangler when it comes to offroad activities.. Perhaps the power wagon as its got a truck body and truck power but has the heart of a wrangler
I'd like to see how a Land Rover Defender compares to a JK. I think it'd be close.
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But nothing produced today is in the class of a Jeep JK(U) Wrangler
That one little addition in parentheses just made my day. I salute your wisdom sir.



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So, a little searching turned up you can indeed buy a 2010+ Nissan Patrol in the US. It's the base for the Infiniti QX56 and that's also the only way you can buy it here 2012 Infiniti QX56 SUV | Infiniti USA. Definitely NOT the same class as the Wrangler for capability.
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So, a little searching turned up you can indeed buy a 2010+ Nissan Patrol in the US. It's the base for the Infiniti QX56 and that's also the only way you can buy it here 2012 Infiniti QX56 SUV | Infiniti USA. Definitely NOT the same class as the Wrangler for capability.
Not even in the same class as the Jeep WK2 which would eat it's lunch off road and rival it in luxury at @ $20K cheaper.
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First off, I agree with everything MTH said ... which JK and which Patrol are they even comparing? And, what were the comparison tests? Tested to do what kind of offroading?

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What ever a Nissan Patrol is im sure it's a nice SUV... But nothing produced today is in the class of a Jeep JK(U) Wrangler when it comes to offroad activities.. Perhaps the power wagon as its got a truck body and truck power but has the heart of a wrangler
Setting aside cost for a moment, the Mercedes G-wagon is very much in the same class as the Wrangler. In fact, with lower gearing, higher payload and towing capacities, a stronger frame, full-time 4WD with 3 locking diffs, and the ability to run 45* side slopes, I would argue the G-Wagon is better than every Wrangler model barring MAYBE the Rubicon (winning out on wheel travel and ground clearance).


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I'd like to see how a Land Rover Defender compares to a JK. I think it'd be close.
Being a past owner of Defenders and a 4x4 aftermarket parts and fabrication company that worked on and designed parts for Defenders (and being a lover of every solid axle Land Rover with a center diff lock and low range ), I would have to say the Defender has some serious drawbacks in the area of drivetrain strength and the lack of locking axle diffs (though, the center diff is lockable) ... for those 2 reasons, I think a JK wins. HOWEVER, it depends on use ... the Defenders destroy the JK on payload and towing capacity. If I was wanting to carry lots of gear over long distances of rugged terrain, I would go Defender 110 before a JKU.

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When wheeling difficult terrain, nothing will beat a straight axle vehicle especially a Jeep. An IFS off roader will never compare. For streets and mild dirt roads, it is ok but when you start getting off camber and articulation is needed, good luck. My advice trade in your JK for one of these if you think it is better than the JK.

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I would agree except to say IFS can handle quite a bit more than "mild dirt roads". If my off-roading was primarily miles and miles of rough corrugated dirt roads (like some pics of the Australian outback I've seen), I'd take a Toyota IFS (e.g. - Land Cruiser) over the JK any day. The better ride would make it worth the sacrifice in articulation, IMHO.
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Are you really asking which is better? A Jeep or a Nissan. Really! Really!!
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I prefer Nissan . We like Nissan patrol . Nissan patrol has good combination for space and power. It has high quality driving, good mileage, interior and exterior looks good.
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I prefer Nissan . We like Nissan patrol . Nissan patrol has good combination for space and power. It has high quality driving, good mileage, interior and exterior looks good.
If this is your criteria for a "good SUV", I prefer a Toyota Land Cruiser.
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That Nissan is one of the ugliest SUVs I think I've ever seen... aside from the LR Discovery...
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The SWB Patrol is a beast in the desert, I considered buying one over the JK, but the JK is at least as good in sands, and is a LOT cheaper. The Patrol is a classic here in Saudi, I love them myself, but a lot of people are changing over to Wrangler now because of the better total value.
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If you want a good vehicle, by all means get the Nissan. The Jeep is a lifestyle, it's loads more fun (no roof, no doors) and go anywhere, do anything personality. It's in a different ballpark from the Nissan.

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The new Nissan Patrol is sold here... It just has a infinity logo on it with a different grille and headlights. It replaced the Armada based SUV last year in the Infinity line up... Nice truck but NO JEEP!!!!
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If you like the look and comfort of a Nissan Patrol, see how it compares to a Jeep Grand Cherokee.

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