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Nitto vs. BFG vs. Toyo

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#1 ·
So I am looking to upgrade my stock tires with 35x12.50Rx17LTs

Reading the forums I was pretty set on either the Nitto Trail Grapplers or the BFG K02s (even though they don't exactly measure to 35"). However, when I went into 4wheel parts the person helping me recommended the Toyo Open Country M/Ts. I have searched threads but haven't seen anything about the Toyo tires and their performance. I can read reviews online but wanted to get the Wrangler Forum opinion.

Just to give background: 2016 75th anniversary edition, is my DD, with trips out to hunting leases (mostly swamps), occasional off-roading parks but definitely not the main function of my Jeep. Going to install a 2.5" lift to help with tire clearance.

Price definitely matters, but willing to spend money on the best tire that will perform well.
 
#2 ·
I have had all 3, the Toyo's are my personal preference because the highway ability is better IMO. Nittos were loud, BFG's always felt "loose" and the Toyo's are quiet and surefooted. Just my $.02

My Toyo 35's are the AT2, not the MT.

The AT2's on my F150 are approaching 50k miles and aren't quite to the wear bars yet.
 
#12 ·
I agree with the look at Ridge Grapplers... If @Bufalo is willing to look at an A/T, the Hybrid Ridge Grappler is a massive winner for Nitto.

 
#9 ·
I run both bfg ko2's and toyo r/t's. I have both mounted on rims so it is easy for me to swap back and forth. If I could only have one set it would be the Toyos. I have run many sets of toyo at2's and the r/t's are better for almost everything.
 
#10 ·
I've ran all 3 of them, KO2's are AT tires though, so they are in a different category with respect of the Nitto TG's or the Toyo MT's, It's my opinion Nittos have a softer compound that does great in rocks, Toyos are a little harder, so they tend to last more than the Nittos if you're doing a lot of hwy driving, prob one of the longest lasting MT tire there is out there, Toyos are also less noisy compared to the Nittos, they're both great tires if you're wheeling rocks/mud, doing deep snow etc, they have a tough sidewall, so they do great in most rock crawling situations considering they're not competition tires.

BFG KO2's are more civilized given they're AT tires, they grip a lot better in rainy/wintry conditions, zero noise cruising down the hwy, 20lbs lighter per tire, and easier to balance, they have a nice sidewall too if you're doing rocks, KO2's should also last longer in a DD, and they can do some mud, though if you're doing muddy trails often or serious rock crawling, the Nitto or Toyo MT tires will be better for those conditions.

You won't go wrong with either choice, pick the right tire tread given the terrain/conditions you'll will in most of the times, and either tire will deliver.
After running MT tires for years, i decided to settle down with the KO2's in the JKU, considering the DD mission, and that i wanted something that could handle a bit of everything i throw to the Jeep in any weather, any road condition.., but if i went back to MT, i'll run the Toyo MT, mostly because i do a lot miles, so i need the investment to go as long as it can :)

Have fun.
 
#13 ·
Funny what they say about opinions! I would have it exactly the opposite

Toyo > Nitro > BFG > GY DT

I have a set of KO2s now that I can't wait to wear out to replace. But it doesn't look like I will have to wait very long... I suspect I will get under 20k out of them on my truck. I have At2s on my JK and they are perfect for what I use them for. Balanced super easy and are great off road. I would have Toyo r/t but I live on dirt roads and the stock m/ts on my Rubicon just tore up my road and driveway and slung mud everywhere, so I went to an AT to lessen the tractor work during the wet months!
 
#16 ·
Thanks for all the responses - this has helped a lot. Honestly now leaning towards the Toyo ATs or the Nitto Ridge Grapplers. The Nittos in the posted picture look awesome - also like the positive comments on handling for both Toyos and Nittos.

Two suggestions I wouldn't have thought of without posting to the forum - Thanks again.
 
#17 ·
"SWAMPY AREAS" stood out to me. If thatvis the case do not get the BFG KO2. Mud is their weak point.

Out of the three you listed the Nitto Trail Grappler would be best. You won't want an AT tire.

Another option would be the Mastercraft MXT. Is smooth on road like an AT but really solid off road.
 
#34 ·
"SWAMPY AREAS" stood out to me. If thatvis the case do not get the BFG KO2. Mud is their weak point.

Another option would be the Mastercraft MXT. Is smooth on road like an AT but really solid off road.
I have the Mastercraft Coursair MXTs and they do very good in the boggy mud. 6-12" swamp conditions. On the road, they are pretty noisy as would be expected from a MT on the highway, but not a deal killer. They handle great in all conditions and ride well too on the roads. I run 35x12.50x15s at the recommended tire pressure.

I had the Firestone Destination MTs on a Samurai and LOVED them, but they don't make them in a 35 15 inch wheel...

2017-01-26_11-48-03 by briggss3, on Flickr

2017-01-26_11-48-38 by briggss3, on Flickr
 
#19 ·
@jpeters3159 comment about running factory wheels on 35" tires got me looking into this - ideally I would like to keep my 75th anniversary wheels but didn't think it was possible due to their lack in width.

Can someone explain to me what the absolute worst case scenario is for running a 7.5" width factory wheels on 35" tires is?
 
#29 ·
I'd like to know the answer to this, as well.
 
#20 ·
I have had several sets of AT2's in sizes from 285/75-16, 285/70-17, 285/75-17 and 35/12.5-17 I really like them and have put lots of miles on them both on and off road. I also have a set of KO2 in 34/10.5-17 and really like them but the AT2's are better for almost every thing. I also have toyo R/T in 35/12.5-17 and they are superior to the AT2's which are superior to the KO2's. I do everything from long trips 1000 mile days at 80mph coming to and going from cool off-road destinations ie moab, rubicon, san juan area of Colorado, the dusy ershim etc. ie I have a decent idea of what works well on a jeep. Both on and off-road. There are lots of good tires out there but I know the Toyo R/T's flat work for what most of us do. I am not a hard core wheeler so if you are looking for something hard core I would look at pit bulls or interco tires. For what most of us do tho hard to beat R/T's.
 
#21 · (Edited)
Can't go wrong with Toyo or Nitto. For a DD, forget the Open Country M/T. Look at the Open Country R/T. Its a hybrid between the A/T and the M/T. VERY good tire of in mud and wet stuff and awesome as a DD tire and quiet.

Had the Toyo OC A/T and loved them. But the R/T is 35x 12.5 is lighter in the RT and the Ridge Grappler. The Nitto in RG is also 12 ply, where R/T is 10 ply and 4lbs lighter than the A/T as well.

 
#24 ·
Those R/T do look nice, just wish they had them in a 285/75r17 and/or a C rated version. Guess that's why they made the Ridge Grappler through Nitto.
 
#25 ·
I hear you. Wish someone, especially Toyo made a C-Rated 35x12.5 or 315/75 tire. Think the Jeep market alone could support this. E-Rated tires are not needed for most Jeep users.

Would KILL for the R/T or A/T in 35x12.5r18 in C-Rated!!
 
#31 ·
LOL, yeah that a 15" tire. Also not a BF Goodrich fan.

But thanks, maybe there is hope someday.
 
#27 ·
With Toyo and Nitto being sister companies comparing a similar model tire from each company should give a very similar result. Local shop told me these tires are made in the same facility and share some of the same molds.

Also difficult to say one brand is better then another w/o knowing which tires that are being referred to. Are Nokian better then michelins due to my pilot super sports not working at all in snow while my blizzaks do great? Or is Michelin better since my pilot super sports do great in wet/dry roads and also the racetrack while the blizzaks suck in the summer. Thus to me it's more about the specific tire in question vs the brand of tire :)

I am doing the Ridge Grappler :)
 
#32 ·
Actually, BFG does have the KO2 in 315/70/17 load range C. It's fairly new, and on tire rack.
 
#33 ·
Bfg ko2 a/t



Love BFG KO2's I've had 2 sets 275/70/18 and now 34X10.5/17..they are perfect on road,very quiet and stable(no squirliness at all on road....don't know where that comes from???:nonono:).... off road particularly trail riding they are fantastic I've been through mud holes and peat bog's with no problems...and fantastic on snow roads and trails.

The KO2's in these sizes,stated above, are relatively light in weight as well,for a DD and weekend warrior you can't beat BFG KO2.

I just looked up the BFG 315/70/17 C load on tire rack...strange that the C load and E load at this size are the same weight ???
 
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