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Old 02-23-2012, 07:51 PM   #1
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No Doors = Accessory Power Stays On

After installing my RR QD mirrors, I had to take a jaunt around the neighborhood. I really need to move to a warmer place. Doors off is the shiz.

Anyway, I noticed an odd thing when I got back. With no doors, there are no doors to open. With no doors to open, there's no signal to turn off the electronics. The radio keeps playing, and more importantly, hands-free BT stays on and connected to my phone. It's still on, still connected as I type this.

I know it'll shut off 10 minutes after the key is turned off, per my chosen setting (it just now shut off, btw), but this seems very strange to me. During that 10 minutes, anyone could reach in and crank up that damn Rebecca Black song, change all my radio presets, reset my trip meter and run off. None of these are life-altering events (except maybe hearing that song coming from my Jeep, and the associated ass-whoopin I'd take from nearby men of all ages), but shouldn't there be a way to say "I'm leaving now, shut everything down"? Lock and unlock on the key fob does lock any remaining doors and tailgate, and set the alarm, but the radio and dash are still lit and active.

Imagine running into a store to grab a soda, getting a call and answering it. The caller would be hollering "Hello? Helloooo???" Anyone near your Jeep would hear this. Also, anyone near your Jeep would be able to carry on a conversation with the caller until one of you hangs up. "Fish? Oh yeah, must mean the guy bleeding out on the sidewalk over there. Nasty nasty crash. I'm just a gawker talking to you on his totaled Jeep. Doesn't look good, I must say. Anything you'd like me to tell him? HA HA FOOLED YOU, LOSER!"

Even worse, you head inside a friend's house for beer and flicks and get a call within that 10 minute period. If your phone's in your pocket, you won't know the call came in. And there's dickface, sitting in your Jeep having answered that call and having a chat with your mom. Worse still, dickface could VERY easily use voice commands to dial any number he wanted and you'd never know unless you happened to look at your phone. Keep in mind, the audio system will NOT shut down per your setting if you're on an active call. One call after another, all day all night, as long as each is made within (timeout setting minutes) of the last.

Again, none of these scenarios are very likely, they don't really concern me too much, but I just find it strange that one is supposed to just leisurely wander away, leaving their vehicle dash displays and electronics powered up.

The only solution I can think of is to change the timeout setting to as short as possible when running sans-doors.

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Old 02-23-2012, 08:03 PM   #2
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Turn off bluetooth on your phone as soon as you get out of your Jeep.

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Also turn off the stereo.
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I think you can change the amount of time the accessories stay on... I know mine is like 45 seconds. Also, Bluetooth has limited range... I don't think you have anything to worry about with those situations.
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With BT connected, turn off your stereo and get an incoming call. Stereo powers up. ie, As long as your dash has accessory power, you CANNOT prevent calls from being routed through the Jeep.

Except that, yes, turning off BT on the phone does solve the phone calls issue. Still makes me a wee bit nervous to walk away with all of my dash electronics "enabled."
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:17 PM   #6
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Still makes me a wee bit nervous to walk away with all of my dash electronics "enabled."
That's the least of your worries about leaving a Jeep unattended with the top down/doors off. I'd be much more worried about someone ripping open my dash to tear out speakers or busting into the locked center console looking for goodies. But hey, that's the risk we all incur for driving the most badass vehicle that's been made. I wouldn't trade it for the world.
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I agree with everything you just said, especially the last sentence. It IS an interesting design ... "oversight" though.
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Why would you want you radio on for 10 minutes? Just turn it off, problem solved. It has nothing to do with your doord being off.
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Change the setting and/or just turn the radio off. That's what I do.
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Yes, you can turn off the radio, but until the ACC power times out, it can simply be turned back on again.

I have it set for 10 mins so I can pull into the garage and turn off the key, then finish listening to whatever I'm interested in without the radio turning off. Sure, I can set it to 45s and just leave the key on ACC if I want to keep listening. But the setting is there, which opens up some interesting possibilities. I'm merely raising the point that certain things are possible.

Note that I design and test mobile software for a living, have been doing so for 20 years. I'm totally ADD when it comes to stretching the norms of what a user MIGHT do if your design ALLOWS them to. These are real possibilities IF a user were to choose certain settings with certain door configurations. Saying "then don't use that setting" isn't usually a viable response.
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Are you sure it can be tiurned back on? If it can, I am going to run to every doorless Jeep I can find to turn their radios on.
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As long as the owner's auto-power-off timeout setting hasn't expired, yes you can turn the radio on. Doesn't matter if it was off when they turned off the key, or they turned it off manually. As long as there's still ACC power, you can crank whatever radio station you want. And as noted above, you can voice-initiate phone calls and talk as long as you like (phone calls override the timeout).

Not likely, just pointing out that these things are possible.
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I just got my jeep so I haven't had the doors off yet bit I was wondering the same thing. I also wondered about the dome light, I know you can shut the dome light off with the knob on the turn signal but then all my dash lights are super dim too, there a way around that?
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These are real possibilities IF a user were to choose certain settings with certain door configurations. Saying "then don't use that setting" isn't usually a viable response.
What's the problem with someone turning your radio on?

If you've taken the doors and top off, you've already given up any measure of "security."

So what if someone calls you and your car picks up... Bluetooth has like a 30ft range... If you're that close to the vehicle, I think you're covered.

If you choose to have your radio remain on for 10 minutes after you turn the engine off, and you choose to take your doors off... then I guess you've chosen to leave yourself open to the possibility that people can snoop on your favorite tunes...
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No doors = no dome light. Has to be toggled manually via the stalk or pressing the light itself.
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And as noted above, you can voice-initiate phone calls and talk as long as you like (phone calls override the timeout).

Not likely, just pointing out that these things are possible.
I don't see how someone could voice-initiate phone calls unless you're still in close proximity to the Jeep. As someone previously mentioned, there's only a certain distance before your phone will go out of range. Now, I suppose someone could take the time to try and pair their own phone to your still functioning stereo/uconnect.

But again, it's blowing my mind that *this* is your concern.
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I just walk away from mine and let it belt out the toons. Since I am too old and fat to reach under there to plug my wires back up it even does this with the doors on. But thanks to you now I'm gonna worry about it.
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If you choose to have your radio remain on for 10 minutes after you turn the engine off, and you choose to take your doors off... then I guess you've chosen to leave yourself open to the possibility that people can snoop on your favorite tunes...
I agree. I was merely raising the point so people might know that these things are possible. I've changed my timeout setting accordingly, and will choose to leave the key on ACC if I want to finish listening to a song, etc when arriving home.

I'd hoped that the Jeep would be able to sense that there are no doors to open, and therefore ignore the power-off timeout: Once the key is removed, all power is cut immediately. Or: if no doors, pressing Lock on the keyfob cuts all power. Either would be a nice feature.

With the current design, the above possibilities exist. That's all I wanted to illustrate.
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I agree. I was merely raising the point so people might know that these things are possible. I've changed my timeout setting accordingly, and will choose to leave the key on ACC if I want to finish listening to a song, etc when arriving home.

I'd hoped that the Jeep would be able to sense that there are no doors to open, and therefore ignore the power-off timeout: Once the key is removed, all power is cut immediately. Or: if no doors, pressing Lock on the keyfob cuts all power. Either would be a nice feature.

With the current design, the above possibilities exist. That's all I wanted to illustrate.
Understood... I guess it's nice to know, just not something I'd think too hard about...

Now, the one thing that bothers me... Why did they put the power window switches in the center of the vehicle? Why not put them on the doors like normal? Because, if you remove the doors... I'm pretty sure you don't need the power window switch...

But I guess chalk it up to another design "decision..."

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What's the problem with someone turning your radio on?
If you've taken the doors and top off, you've already given up any measure of "security."
Really? Hate to have to feed some fool his fingers because he thought that way.
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Why did they put the power window switches in the center of the vehicle? Why not put them on the doors like normal?
I have no idea. Off the top of my head: Save weight for when carrying doors? Prevent fragile switches from breaking when carrying doors? Keep electronics near the high-center of the vehicle, avoiding water damage?
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I have no idea. Off the top of my head: Save weight for when carrying doors? Prevent fragile switches from breaking when carrying doors? Keep electronics near the high-center of the vehicle, avoiding water damage?
That's been a Jeep thing for awhile. My Liberty had the window switches on the face of the center console, and the doors didn't come off at all. Took me months to get used to it.

Lol...now I'm adjusting again, to having them on the dash.
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Here or a few things that bug me as well.
1. Cruise on button - what is the dang point. Why do I need to turn on cruise then set it. I just want to set the cruise and be done with it.
2. 2011+ JK the automatic light setting dims the dash lights(Radio) when the windshield wipers are turned on. Not a problem when its dark outside, but when its bright you can't see a thing on your dash/radio. There is a sensor that can tell if it is dark outside, that is how the automatic lights work. But as soom as you turn on the windshield wipers it turns on the headlights and forgets it is daylight outside. Yes, I am one of the stange people who like my dash lights to be as dim as possible for "night time driving".
3. Why is it when I don't have a roof on my jeep it wants to rain.
4. Why is it when I do have a roof on my jeep it never rains.
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1) I was told a while back that this is a holdover from previous tech. Turning on the Cruise function engaged a pump of sorts, which managed the speed vs electronics today. Leaving the pump on when not in use was bad, hence the "power switch." Can't say if this is accurate or not.

More on point, I think, is if there does need to be a "CRUISE" light to indicate power-on state, why is there not an independent "SET" light to indicate that you've successfully engaged cruise? Currently, you have to slowly lift your foot and see if the Jeep to slows down.

2) I have the Jeep set to not turn on the headlights with the wipers, so I haven't personally experienced the daylight darkness. Being another one of those folks that likes dim dash lights, though, I can see how this would be a real pisser.
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BTW, it's 72 in Tucson right now, expected to hit 79... beautiful and sunny, with only 15% humidity. Sure, it will got hotter thank get out in the summer -- but right now it is perfect Jeep weather.
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2. 2011+ JK the automatic light setting dims the dash lights(Radio) when the windshield wipers are turned on. Not a problem when its dark outside, but when its bright you can't see a thing on your dash/radio. There is a sensor that can tell if it is dark outside, that is how the automatic lights work. But as soom as you turn on the windshield wipers it turns on the headlights and forgets it is daylight outside. Yes, I am one of the stange people who like my dash lights to be as dim as possible for "night time driving".
If you have the EVIC computer (and if not there might still be a way to do it) there is an option in there to turn off turning on the headlights with the wipers. I have a sport which can't even have auto headlights and I still see that option in my EVIC.
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3. Why is it when I don't have a roof on my jeep it wants to rain.
4. Why is it when I do have a roof on my jeep it never rains.
It's a Jeep thing...
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Ok, how do you change time out setting ?
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If you have the EVIC, go into Personal Settings, Key Off Power Delay. Can select Off, 45sec, 5 or 10mins. No EVIC, no idea.
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Mr. Fish thanks for the reply, I am going to have change my setting for the headlight now. sweet!!!!

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