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Old 01-19-2011, 09:50 PM   #1
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no lift and 37's wow

so this is looking kind of good

37 no lift

so what would be involved then if I wanted to use these fenders and 35's
gearing and all that??

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Old 01-19-2011, 10:26 PM   #2
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You would still need to trim your pinch seem. 37's will be horrible for a DD. The stress and strain on your entire drive train will cause many issues down the road. You had better plan on sleeving and gusseting your front axle.

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FYI that website attempted to load me up with a virus...
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Well first off, you'd wanna switch your gear ratio from stock to atleast 5:11 i think the rubicon could handle it with the 4:10's though
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Why would 37's be horrible for a daily driver? If it would fit in my garage I would throw some 37's on in a heartbeat! 35's on my DD here and I love it!!! Yeah..mileage sux, its a bit sluggish..but it gets me all over the little bitty city of HOUSTON everyday. I have said it before..I will say it again...it COSTS MONEY TO GO BIG. If you cant deal with that issue...keep the bike tires on it.
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hey drewcipher....was it the metalcloak site that attempted to load the virus? That might explain where I picked up the one currently on my laptop! If so...I am going to call metalcloak and let them know. They have been a really good company to deal with and I love their products...I got one of their front bumpers on my rig....and want some of their fenders REALLY bad.
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Why would 37's be horrible for a daily driver? If it would fit in my garage I would throw some 37's on in a heartbeat! 35's on my DD here and I love it!!! Yeah..mileage sux, its a bit sluggish..but it gets me all over the little bitty city of HOUSTON everyday. I have said it before..I will say it again...it COSTS MONEY TO GO BIG. If you cant deal with that issue...keep the bike tires on it.
Then you should be able to afford a bigger garage. Stop being cheap and GO BIG!
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You know daggo...I have actually looked into that. Decided on a second home by the beach instead.
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Ever priced custom garage doors...and the work entailed in opening the existing space up? Really not worth it for two more inches of tire. My wife thought I had lost my mind.
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I believe that red JK on Metalcloak's website has a 2" lift "because it looks better", according to Metalcloak. I'm not sure I've ever seen a JK with no lift at all and 37" tires, even with Metalcloak fenders. If they have such a JK they need to update their web page and show it to us.

And you don't need Metalcloak fenders to fit 37s, if you're going to add a 2" to 2 1/2" lift. Here is my Jeep with a 2 1/2" lift, 37s, and GenRight aluminum flat fenders.



As for what it takes to run 37s with 2 1/2" lift, ... you will need the 2 1/2" extended bumpstops that come with the lift, longer shocks, swaybar links, front adjustable trackbar, and a rear trackbar bracket. I have adjustable lower control arms, but they would not be needed, because I have my adjustable arms set at stock length and driveline angles and castor are fine, with no vibrations or bad steering issues what-so-ever. You will need flat fenders, or trimmed stock flares, and you will need to trim the pinch seem at the front edge of the rear fender. I simply followed the contour of my Genright flat fenders with my sawzall, and repainted the cut edge with Mopar touch up paint. There is no tire rub at all on the rear end, and the tires only lightly rub the frame at full steering lock on the front end. Adding a washer to the steering stop bolt would stop that problem.

As for 37s and a daily driver ...

I've owned somewhere around 30 Jeeps in my life, and have lots of experience with lifted and modified vehicles. This Jeep drives like a dream. Absolutely no bad handling issues at all. For around town driving the stock 4.10 gears are also fine. On the highway just push the overdrive off button, and you're good. Top gear with the auto transmission, and these tires, don't go together.

I do plan to re-gear to 5.38 gears in a few weeks, and will also add inner axle sleeves, c-gussets, and Poly Performance ball joints. But the Jeep is just fine without these last additions, and I have no hesitations using it as a daily driver.
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hey drewcipher....was it the metalcloak site that attempted to load the virus? That might explain where I picked up the one currently on my laptop! If so...I am going to call metalcloak and let them know. They have been a really good company to deal with and I love their products...I got one of their front bumpers on my rig....and want some of their fenders REALLY bad.
Yeah it was the metalcloak site.
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sorry for posting that link, I have a mac so I had no problems,
thanks for the complete write up on 2.5 lift, that's prob what I will do to my 2011 rubicon 2 door some day soonish.
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where can i purchase those fenders
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with all that weight/stress on the stock axles, do you have to take it extra easy off road?
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Mopwr2u.......sweet!
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And you don't need Metalcloak fenders to fit 37s, if you're going to add a 2" to 2 1/2" lift. Here is my Jeep with a 2 1/2" lift, 37s, and GenRight aluminum flat fenders.


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Very well written and informative post right there. ^^

Plus a pic that is applicable!! Thanks for educating me. And very sweet looking JK. Rugged yet classy. Love the color, wheels & of course, the tires!!!
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Thats a beautiful setup, but


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I believe that red JK on Metalcloak's website has a 2" lift "because it looks better", according to Metalcloak. I'm not sure I've ever seen a JK with no lift at all and 37" tires, even with Metalcloak fenders. If they have such a JK they need to update their web page and show it to us.

And you don't need Metalcloak fenders to fit 37s, if you're going to add a 2" to 2 1/2" lift. Here is my Jeep with a 2 1/2" lift, 37s, and GenRight aluminum flat fenders.



As for what it takes to run 37s with 2 1/2" lift, ... you will need the 2 1/2" extended bumpstops that come with the lift, longer shocks, swaybar links, front adjustable trackbar, and a rear trackbar bracket. I have adjustable lower control arms, but they would not be needed, because I have my adjustable arms set at stock length and driveline angles and castor are fine, with no vibrations or bad steering issues what-so-ever. You will need flat fenders, or trimmed stock flares, and you will need to trim the pinch seem at the front edge of the rear fender. I simply followed the contour of my Genright flat fenders with my sawzall, and repainted the cut edge with Mopar touch up paint. There is no tire rub at all on the rear end, and the tires only lightly rub the frame at full steering lock on the front end. Adding a washer to the steering stop bolt would stop that problem.

As for 37s and a daily driver ...

I've owned somewhere around 30 Jeeps in my life, and have lots of experience with lifted and modified vehicles. This Jeep drives like a dream. Absolutely no bad handling issues at all. For around town driving the stock 4.10 gears are also fine. On the highway just push the overdrive off button, and you're good. Top gear with the auto transmission, and these tires, don't go together.

I do plan to re-gear to 5.38 gears in a few weeks, and will also add inner axle sleeves, c-gussets, and Poly Performance ball joints. But the Jeep is just fine without these last additions, and I have no hesitations using it as a daily driver.
If you've owned 30 jeeps-they haven't been JKs and I'm afraid your in a time warp-bad things are gonna start happening SOON !!

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so this is looking kind of good

37 no lift

so what would be involved then if I wanted to use these fenders and 35's
gearing and all that??
If this linc has a known virus why don't you edit it out of your post before we all F up our puters???
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If this linc has a known virus why don't you edit it out of your post before we all F up our puters???
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with all that weight/stress on the stock axles, do you have to take it extra easy off road?
"All that weight" ...

I actually took steps with this particular Jeep build (my second JK) to keep weight to a minumum.

The stubby front bumper adds minimal weight.

The winch adds some more weight, but is a smaller winch (M8000) with synthetic rope and a small aluminum hause fairlead.

The rear bumper is a stubby rear bumper with no spare tire carrier.

I run an undersized (stock) spare tire by preferrence. I've done it both ways, I've used full size 37" spare tires and undersized spare tires in the past. I greatly prefer the simplicity of an undersized spare tire.

The flat fenders are by Genright, and are aluminum. I didn't weigh them, but the feel like they weigh pretty much the same as the stock plastic flares.

The Teraflex rocksliders are aluminum and actually weigh LESS than the OEM Rubicon rocker guards.

The only significant increase in weight in this build is the unsprung weight of the tires.

This is a 2011 Jeep, it hasn't spent a lot of time off road. I have 3500 miles on it, and about 1200 of those miles are off road miles. No probles so far. As I said above, I do plan on sleeving and gusseting the front axle, and changing to poly performance ball joints when I change to 5.38 gears. My gear man has ordered the parts, so it wont be too much longer.
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i meant unsprung weight specifically. there was a video on here the other day of a guy with stock axles and 35"s doing donuts. he clipped a curb with a rear wheel and snapped the axle off at the hub. granted, he might have been a dumbass too, but that's why i was curious.
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I generally drive faily slowly and cautiously when off road, and try to use finesse to get over an obstacle, instead of throttle. My last broken part was a Dana 30 u-joint on a 2000 TJ with 35" tires.

And I disagree about being in a time warp, and that the JK is going to start having bad things happen, ... soon, like Jimbox said. The JK is a great starting platform for an offroad vehicle. The axles, transmissions, and frame are much better than we have had with any prior Jeeps. Remember those Dana 35 rear axles? Or what about those two piece AMC model twenty rear axles? The JK has its flaws (mainly the entire front axle assembly, and the steering box sector shaft being weak), but the flaws are known by now, and they can all be addressed with good aftermarket solutions.
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I believe that red JK on Metalcloak's website has a 2" lift "because it looks better", according to Metalcloak. I'm not sure I've ever seen a JK with no lift at all and 37" tires, even with Metalcloak fenders. If they have such a JK they need to update their web page and show it to us.

And you don't need Metalcloak fenders to fit 37s, if you're going to add a 2" to 2 1/2" lift. Here is my Jeep with a 2 1/2" lift, 37s, and GenRight aluminum flat fenders.
MOPWR2U is correct in his second statement. You can run 37s on a JK with a 2" lift and typical tube fenders.

However, we did originally release these photos of our 2009 JK Rubicon running 37" MTRs with no lift. Sorry if we did not take a pic of it sitting on flat ground. My flub.






We added a 2" lift to this rig before Off Road Expo because it does look beefier, however, if we wanted to, we could have thrown larger tires on as well.

Thanks again for all the great feedback!
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A Note about our website...

I've sent several PMs to each of you who may have experienced some issues with a virus or trojan through the MetalCloak website inquiring about what specifically may have happened, what page you were on, etc.

So far we've seen no evidence of a virus on our end and of the thousands of users on our site, we have had no reports of any viruses until this thread.

But we don't take this lightly and are working with Volusion, our shopping cart provider and web host to find out what, if anything, may be happening at their end.

If we discover any problems, I will let you know immediately.

Thank you again for the feedback and helping to keep us informed!
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Thanks for clarifying that Matsonian. The Jeep looks good in those pictures with no lift and 37s. I would have bought your Metalcloak flares instead of the Genright flares I did buy, except for one thing, ... the back part of your rear fender flares tapers in too quickly from the top of the flare. The flare needs to stay full width coming down the back side of the flare, until near the very bottom of the flare, then taper in. Your flares would be a ticket waiting to happen where I live, because of inadequate tire coverage. That was a shame, because I liked the build quality of your flares better. Keep up the good work.
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Thanks for clarifying that Matsonian. The Jeep looks good in those pictures with no lift and 37s. I would have bought your Metalcloak flares instead of the Genright flares I did buy, except for one thing, ... the back part of your rear fender flares tapers in too quickly from the top of the flare. The flare needs to stay full width coming down the back side of the flare, until near the very bottom of the flare, then taper in. Your flares would be a ticket waiting to happen where I live, because of inadequate tire coverage. That was a shame, because I liked the build quality of your flares better. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the feedback. Everything we do a MetalCloak is "Purpose-Built" meaning that its not just a design element, but there for a reason. In the case of the flares tapering in, there were a number of factors for that design, one of which was visibility... the ability to look down and see what your tires were on, not having it blocked by a flare. Another advantage is deflection and departure angle... as you are rubbing against trees or rocks, the tapered angle does a better job of transitioning you through the obstacle.

We definitely understand that in some areas of the country coverage laws vary, here in California, its not so much about coverage as it is mud flaps. But that's government for you.

However, since most states look at coverage as what is over the tire, rather then behind the tire, the Metalcloak 8" Flares have been tremendously popular.

Thanks again for the great feedback!

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