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Old 02-19-2011, 09:50 AM   #31
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Well the rock rails are steep! But it was a nice compromise because wifey had trouble getting in the JK and the enhanced rails give you a bit of a step up. I did not care for that side step look Jeep offers...

The COD were a steal! Brand new set of 5 with the TPMS....BFG Mud Terrain LT255/75R17...so that package is well over $2000 if you tried to buy new. And these were a straight plug n' play already balanced from the factory!

I did get $450 for my 16" that came with the JK sold on Craigslist with the TPMS so really only out $700 on the COD so I done good

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Honestly though you could have gotten better looking wheels with better backspacing, bigger and better tires, for about the same price (or a little more). So I dont known if it was a "steal" but as long as your happy

Ex. 5 wheels with 4" backspacing let's just say 15x8 (just an example) $120 a piece.

= $600

5 tires 33x12.5.15 (again, just an example)

Goodyear duratracs (from treadepot.com) $154 a tire

=$770

$600
+$770

= $1,370

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Honestly though you could have gotten better looking wheels with better backspacing, bigger and better tires, for about the same price (or a little more).
He's got the same wheels that are on the Mountain edition, and a lot of people really really like those. The guy at my local 4 Wheel Parts store would buy my used ones for more than the original poster paid.

Also, a lot of 15" wheels don't fit on a JK. Some do, but most don't.
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He's got the same wheels that are on the Mountain edition, and a lot of people really really like those. The guy at my local 4 Wheel Parts store would buy my used ones for more than the original poster paid.

Also, a lot of 15" wheels don't fit on a JK. Some do, but most don't.
Like I said "example" and just because they don't come stock with 15" wheels doesn't mean they can't use them. It's all about bolt pattern. But if you ever want wider tires you will need the correct backspacing. So if he decides to move up tires, he'll have to get rid of those wheels. My mindset is saving money in the long run. I don't think the mountain edition wheels have the correct backspacing. Unless I'm wrong. I just thought I'd point that out.
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Sure of course there are better savings out there but I just really like the OEM Mountain or COD MOAB Mineral gray wheels

Those go for $340/wheel from Quadratec.

So 5 x $340 = $1700
So 5 x $190 BFG Muds LT255/75R17 $950

Out the door (no sensors) $2650

So that's how I fig the theft

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Honestly though you could have gotten better looking wheels with better backspacing, bigger and better tires, for about the same price (or a little more). So I dont known if it was a "steal" but as long as your happy

Ex. 5 wheels with 4" backspacing let's just say 15x8 (just an example) $120 a piece.

= $600

5 tires 33x12.5.15 (again, just an example)

Goodyear duratracs (from treadepot.com) $154 a tire

=$770

$600
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= $1,370
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Here was my eBay auction score...notice free shipping so that's why I figure the wheels at $1200 then $100 for shipping.

This is an excellent seller!!! And he was wrong the TPMS were not removed so the deal was even better

Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 17" Wheels BF Goodrich MT 2557517 - eBay (item 280607284480 end time Dec-22-10 19:00:27 PST)
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Just thought I'd point that out. Your needs are different than mine. Oh and sick cj
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Im not sure if this what you want but we just made a new mount for the factory bumper so you can recuse the fog lights. Check it out on out website under front bumper Elevated Offroad, Jeep Wrangler, JK ,Skid plate, Body Armor ,Elevated Clothing also were working on a winch plate that will work on top of the factory bumper.
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Like I said "example" and just because they don't come stock with 15" wheels doesn't mean they can't use them. It's all about bolt pattern. But if you ever want wider tires you will need the correct backspacing. So if he decides to move up tires, he'll have to get rid of those wheels. My mindset is saving money in the long run. I don't think the mountain edition wheels have the correct backspacing. Unless I'm wrong. I just thought I'd point that out.
I am sure you can use 15", but if you are going to make a comparison, you should've done so with 17's and then make the comp with the COD 17's. The price gap is large from the two sizes. But I see your point, get 15's with a wider stance and some thick rubber, that would look good, and cheaper!
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Those rims look awesome! Very sharp I like the gun metal or mineral grey look
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I am sure you can use 15", but if you are going to make a comparison, you should've done so with 17's and then make the comp with the COD 17's. The price gap is large from the two sizes. But I see your point, get 15's with a wider stance and some thick rubber, that would look good, and cheaper!
Yeah lol but I've got a tj so I am always riding on 15"s but heck yeah totally agree with you.
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Thanks here was a better photo and the look I was going for with the JK! Darker works well on the Mango IMHO.

Want to keep the JK close to stock for now as the CJ has enough beef & lift for the 2 Jeeps combined




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Those rims look awesome! Very sharp I like the gun metal or mineral grey look
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Thanks here was a better photo and the look I was going for with the JK! Darker works well on the Mango IMHO.

Want to keep the JK close to stock for now as the CJ has enough beef & lift for the 2 Jeeps combined

That looks fantastic.
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I like the darker rims, ours come stock on the Sport with the silver version of those. I cant fit 15's on mine though, actually I cant fit 16's either - with the larger discs of the 2010 I anly have less than 1/4 in clearance between the caliper and the rim? Larger backspace I think I could squeeze 16's on...
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Is it possible that your jeep had chrome bumper accents on it prior to delivery to the dealership and they were removed leaving an epoxy behind which is now peeling?
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Good thought but not possible. Look at Post #27 in this thread...that is my Jeep day of arrival before being brought in.

What I have peeling off is either a "touch up" that is of a rough texture probably brushed or sprayed on...

Or plastic imperfection like someone mentioned and the plastic "skin layer" is peeling. Since even that lower half under the fogs feels like a much rougher surface that entire area might have been brushed to blend the color.

What would make sense is what Pat said earlier about the plate screw holes but they were quick to touch this up if that was the case.

I has down at the shop today talking with a guy that used to work at a Nissan dealership said I would be shocked if I knew the % of "touch-ups" dealers do to make scratches, dents etc. disappear before the new owner got their vehicle.

Anyway I'll see on Monday if the dealer admits any wrong doing. I am confident I will be getting a new bumper just would be nice to not have the drama


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I can tell you as well the % of touch ups are high for any car dealership. I would contact chrysler as well. I am sure if they did try to cover up damage they could get in some trouble since they misrepresented the vehicle you intended to purchase as new? Happened to a family member of mine, front bumber got damaged on the lot or on the truck on the way to the dealership, dealer had to disclose this damage and then the bumber color did not match. It turned into a fiasco...
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mudpup, love the dark wheels on your mango. i have the same wheels on my black 2 door and it makes it look badass.

does anyone know if you can buy those dark wheels straight from jeep?
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Pat was correct!

Stopped down at the dealership today and the Salesperson owned up that the "prep guy" screwed in 2 top plate screws even after being told not to do so..."he forgot"

So when I was in the office signing the paperwork the Salesperson went to get the keys from prep and saw the mistake and did not know what to do...

A) They did not have any bumpers on the lot that didn't have screws already attached or they would have just swapped the bumper then.

B) He did not want me disappointed so he went to the body shop and had them touch it up quicky.

C) I guess just asking me was out of the question

They are ordering me a new bumper today.
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Well the rock rails are steep! But it was a nice compromise because wifey had trouble getting in the JK and the enhanced rails give you a bit of a step up. I did not care for that side step look Jeep offers...

The COD were a steal! Brand new set of 5 with the TPMS....BFG Mud Terrain LT255/75R17...so that package is well over $2000 if you tried to buy new. And these were a straight plug n' play already balanced from the factory!

I did get $450 for my 16" that came with the JK sold on Craigslist with the TPMS so really only out $700 on the COD so I done good

where did you find the takeoffs. I was or have been looking for COD, or Mountain take offs.? or at least considering them...
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where did you find the takeoffs. I was or have been looking for COD, or Mountain take offs.? or at least considering them...
If you can find Mountain/COD take offs, by all means grab'em. I love mine!

However . . . . Two other points to consider.

First, you can actually buy them brand new, though you'll pay through the nose. Here are the Mountain wheels on Q-tec, for $340 each.

Second, I've been scanning for similar looking wheels and have found some. For example, take a look at some of Mamba's wheels, especially these and these. They're about half the price. Another option are the AEV Pintlers, which look like this. Not quite as cheap as the Mambas, but still way less than "official" Mountain/CODs.

There are also these Mambas, which appear almost identical to the Mountain/COD wheels. I can't find them for sale anywhere, though.

A benefit of going with the Mambas or the Pintlers would be they each have about 1.5" less backspacing than the Mountain/COD wheels. In other words, your tires would stick out a bit as if you had spacers.

This was a route I was considering before I got spacers. Ultimately, I just didn't want to deal with the hassle and went with the spacers, but I figured I'd pass on the info.
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Check out my post # 36 with the eBay link.

Someone had a shot before me but was trying to haggle down to $1000...

Thank-You very much whoever you are

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I want to get the COD wheels...maybe next year. Have other mods to pay for this year.
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Landmark you are right!!! I can not believe this crap...
I am an easy going dood but deception/dishonesty lights my fire

Dealership closes at 3 on Friday but I went down there to compare and it looks like touch up was done on my front bumper but only between the Fog lights! (much rougher in that area only compared to the rest)

And it probably would have been hidden but I empasized to the dealer do not screw on the front plate and leave that for me.

I will be asking for a meeting on Monday with the dealership GM and owner. I am PO buying a brand new Jeep and have to deal with a cover up. GMAFB
I would be willing to bet that they drilled for the plate, when they found out that you didn't want it drilled, they repaired the holes and used the coating to refinish it. In an effort to make you happy.

Look... let's be realistic here.
You're planning on replacing the bumper anyway. WHY go through all of the crap and hassle to make them replace it, the unnecessary expense to the company and the dealership. I mean... really think about it. You're going to have them replace it, and then you'll pull it off, toss it in a pile of Jeep parts (that no one will likely want to buy) and it will just be a waste!
SO, just forget it! Those factory bumpers are pieces of crap anyway.

The first time you rub it on a rock it's going to look a lot worse than that so now you don't have to worry about it getting scraped.
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HuH really...? Join me on Earth.

I paid for a new bumper and should get a new bumper. And yes I plan to upgrade for sure but not at the moment with funds being in short supply.

Unnecessary expense to the dealership...that is comical

So "realistically" if they were "honest" all they had to do was let me know and I would have said attach the plate. Not put this "coating" on that is peeling and looks like ass.

Anyway I already posted that the salesperson admitted his wrong doing so all is good and replacement is going on Friday.

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You're planning on replacing the bumper anyway. WHY go through all of the crap and hassle to make them replace it, the unnecessary expense to the company and the dealership.
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HuH really...? Join me on Earth.

I paid for a new bumper and should get a new bumper. And yes I plan to upgrade for sure but not at the moment with funds being in short supply.

Unnecessary expense to the dealership...that is comical

So "realistically" if they were "honest" all they had to do was let me know and I would have said attach the plate. Not put this "coating" on that is peeling and looks like ass.

Anyway I already posted that the salesperson admitted his wrong doing so all is good and replacement is going on Friday.

FWIW, I sold my OEM front bumper on craigslist for $125. The person who purchased it got his Wrangler used with a few scratches on it, no air dam, and no tow hooks (I kept the factory fog lights). The scratches (and missing parts) were certainly enough to motivate him to find a new(ish) one. It certainly helped offset the cost of my new RR XHD winch bumper and overhoop.

If you plan on throwing your bumper in a basement and never using it again, then sure, why go through the hassel... But if you don't like keeping junk around (like me), you can definately sell the parts on craigslist to offset the replacement parts expense. The better condition it is in, the higher probability you will be able to sell it.
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HuH really...? Join me on Earth.

I paid for a new bumper and should get a new bumper. And yes I plan to upgrade for sure but not at the moment with funds being in short supply.

Unnecessary expense to the dealership...that is comical

So "realistically" if they were "honest" all they had to do was let me know and I would have said attach the plate. Not put this "coating" on that is peeling and looks like ass.

Anyway I already posted that the salesperson admitted his wrong doing so all is good and replacement is going on Friday.

Hey, you don't have to be an insulting jerk... you asked for opinions, I gave one.
Do what you want.... blow it out your butt for all I care.
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I would be willing to bet that they drilled for the plate, when they found out that you didn't want it drilled, they repaired the holes and used the coating to refinish it. In an effort to make you happy.

Look... let's be realistic here.
You're planning on replacing the bumper anyway. WHY go through all of the crap and hassle to make them replace it, the unnecessary expense to the company and the dealership. I mean... really think about it. You're going to have them replace it, and then you'll pull it off, toss it in a pile of Jeep parts (that no one will likely want to buy) and it will just be a waste!
SO, just forget it! Those factory bumpers are pieces of crap anyway.

The first time you rub it on a rock it's going to look a lot worse than that so now you don't have to worry about it getting scraped.
Well for one they lied and tried to cover it up...
2)I pay for new I want new, not broken, then crappy touch up job. Who knows how long it'll be before he swaps out his bumber.
3)Imagine if all stores had this type of procedures...Yeah that'd just be awesome!
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Ya'll might be AMAZED at how many vehicles have repairs before they actually go to the lot or even after they've been there awhile.

Brand spanking new mine had to have paint repairs done to both doors at the base of the window frame. It cracked where the welds were and the paint showed tiny little rust lines.

I didn't make them give me new doors, I just asked them to fix it and away I went.
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Thanks for the welcome...?

Did not mean to offend but frankly I found your advice insulting to someone (ME) who works hard for his money! I should worry about what the dealer's out of pocket expense will be for their mistake.

I get it Kate life is short be done with it why bother...But really what is my trouble or hassle?

Drop my Jeep off in the AM...get loaner Jeep...Dealership swaps easy bolt off/bolt on bumper...I get out of work at 5 drive to the dealership and Waalaa pick up my Jeep with new bumper!

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