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Old 07-09-2012, 08:36 PM   #1
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off road first timer

Hey every one! so I've been on this forum for a could of weeks and you guys have been awesome! well today i took my first off road trip and it was everything everyone makes it out to be! now that I've seen and experienced it i want to outfit my jeep to be a little more "up for the challenge" what are some beginner mods that should think about? (2012 JKU sahara).

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Old 07-09-2012, 08:45 PM   #2
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these are beginner mods as you asked for...

leveling kit (cheap and will give you another 1-2" of lift)
jks quicker disconnects (you will not believe the difference in offroad performance.. NOTE: you can just spend the extra time to unbolt your swaybar but that gets old quick)
ace sliders to help you get over rocks (~$300)

if you are going over rocks etc.. you will want to armor up.. i'm looking at the evo armor...

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Old 07-09-2012, 08:48 PM   #3
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sweet man thanks a lot! so you think I'm okay on the stock sahara tires? i rode with a close friend today and he also suggested the leveling kit for a little more clearance
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:09 PM   #4
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I have used this pic several times- yes; you are OK with stock tires, BUT
when you are disconected, you MAY rub on the swaybar and rip out the sidewall on one of the front tires. I did it with two on different occasions.
That is when I went to set up in next pic. 33's on 16"rims with 4.25 inch BS

Since second pic, I have changed out axles, Transfer case, fabbed some rock sliders, rear bumper and tire carrier, and am on 37's. JEEPS are fun.
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:21 PM   #5
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first wheeling trip i was in a stock sport ('12).. my buddy in a rubicon w/ leveling kit on 33s. One major difference was clearance. I would scrape on a few rocks that he wouldn't but the other notable thing was the swaybar disconnect. I had let my sway bar connected (vs his auto-disco). I would have a wheel off the ground where he would still have all four firmly planted on certain obstacles.

Fast forward to next wheeling trip.. i had a leveling kit and the JKS disconnects. Wheeling with your sway bar disconnected is a much more fun/pleasant experience.. you seem to float over rocks/obstacles and a few trails that made me pucker the first time I was able to handle with ease. If you want to spend the 20-30 minutes to remove your swaybar links each time you can save $130 OR you can get the discos and pop em off in 5 minutes.

I did get stuck in the mud on this trip.. but I don't know that my friend wouldn't have gotten stuck. With the trails we ran at Rausch last week, it was the general consensus that armor held us back from running them.. not the traction from the stock tires. Going from stock tires to 33's will only give you an additional .5-1" of clearance but will cost you $1k+. For the cost of the leveling kit, you can get 1-2" of clearance.

I'm no expert but this has been my experience so far.. YMMV
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:40 PM   #7
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wow this helped so much! so getting the jus disconnects is like the sway disconnect in a rubi? and how much is the leveling kit? I'm looking for about an inch and a half body lift
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:48 PM   #8
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jks disconnects JKS Manufacturing 2030 - JKS Manufacturing Quicker Disconnects™ for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec
teraflex leveling kit Teraflex 1155200 - Teraflex Leveling Kit for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

kurtz265 and I put these in and this was both of our most ambitious vehicle attempt.. took us 6 hours but we wanted to make sure we did it right... more skilled guys could do this in 2..
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:52 PM   #9
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Old 07-10-2012, 09:15 AM   #10
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first wheeling trip i was in a stock sport ('12).. my buddy in a rubicon w/ leveling kit on 33s. One major difference was clearance. I would scrape on a few rocks that he wouldn't but the other notable thing was the swaybar disconnect. I had let my sway bar connected (vs his auto-disco). I would have a wheel off the ground where he would still have all four firmly planted on certain obstacles.

Fast forward to next wheeling trip.. i had a leveling kit and the JKS disconnects. Wheeling with your sway bar disconnected is a much more fun/pleasant experience.. you seem to float over rocks/obstacles and a few trails that made me pucker the first time I was able to handle with ease. If you want to spend the 20-30 minutes to remove your swaybar links each time you can save $130 OR you can get the discos and pop em off in 5 minutes.

I did get stuck in the mud on this trip.. but I don't know that my friend wouldn't have gotten stuck. With the trails we ran at Rausch last week, it was the general consensus that armor held us back from running them.. not the traction from the stock tires. Going from stock tires to 33's will only give you an additional .5-1" of clearance but will cost you $1k+. For the cost of the leveling kit, you can get 1-2" of clearance.

I'm no expert but this has been my experience so far.. YMMV
Tires will give you over all clearance. A leveling kit won't give you 1"-2" of clearance over the total underside of the jeep.
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Old 07-10-2012, 09:03 PM   #11
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As far as I can tell, the only thing a lift kit won't lift is your diffs...

Speaking personally, I'd rather have 2 inches under all of my suspension controlled mass (read: everything but the axles) than .5-1 inches all around. It could be because my unlimited takes those two inches and turns them into a break over angle comparable a 2-dr Wrangler. In general, you're putting your tires on obstacles rather than taking them under your diffs...I'm not trying to say diff clearance isn't important...just throwing out relative valuation factors.
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Might suggest a Teraflex 2.5" Budget Boost, got some take-off rubicon shocks and springs
(but you gotta make sure the springs are an actual improvement, might not be, check the numbers on the tags). I have yet to put my quicker discos on, but do have my sway bar disconnected (yea, I should have reconnected by now, I know). Tires were 255/80/17 BFG MUD-TERRAIN T/A KM2s. Steel wheels are from Unique.
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I'm leaving the rubi stock for now
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:28 AM   #14
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As far as I can tell, the only thing a lift kit won't lift is your diffs...

Speaking personally, I'd rather have 2 inches under all of my suspension controlled mass (read: everything but the axles) than .5-1 inches all around. It could be because my unlimited takes those two inches and turns them into a break over angle comparable a 2-dr Wrangler. In general, you're putting your tires on obstacles rather than taking them under your diffs...I'm not trying to say diff clearance isn't important...just throwing out relative valuation factors.
This is true. The purpose of a suspension lift is to fit a bigger tire. Bigger tires will give you the clearance. With some trimming the Jk can accommodate more tire than previous models which is great. The higher the lift the more parts are needed to make it work. LCG builds are gaining popularity. We don't need 4"-6" just to fit a 35" like the Tj
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:08 PM   #15
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I see it like this- Tires give you increased differential (your pumpkins) clearance. A lift or leveling kit will leave the diffs where they are, but will raise the rails, tranny, etc a bit higher of the ground even without bigger tires. Therefore, it is accurate to say that a leveling kit will get you about 1.5 inches additonal clearance, but no additional clearance as far as the diffs are concerned.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:17 PM   #16
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Get some good recovery gear first and a good cooler for refreshments.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:33 PM   #17
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You will be surprised the trails you can do stock. I've done trails that are fairly difficult for a stock Jeep the key is to go nice and slow or risk damage. I'd recommend running with some other stock buddies and not guys who are modified. Tires, skid plates, and rock rails could be useful upgrades. Then you can start doing lifts and other protection from there.
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Whatever you do.. protect your diffs first. They will take a beating. You can skid them for next to nothing or go with a higher end cover replacement like an ARB. I'd also recommend you taking a look at your control arm mounts. Those can take a pretty good pounding as well. I'm getting ready to skid mine before I rip them all the way off on the next rock.

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