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Old 04-30-2013, 09:44 AM   #151
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I installed the cargo top yesterday.. I am waiting for a piece of the fast back top that was not made correctly.. Spoke with Tim and he was going to ship this week.
Leak or not, it does look good.

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Leak or not, it does look good.
I dont know if it leaks yet.. But I know the road noise is not bad at all.

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when did you purchase?
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Said last Monday (week 7) he'd call me and let me know by the end of the week. It's now half way through week 8. No call.
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Tim just called and my top just shipped!
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Mine should be soon then. I ordered on 3/17. I called him earlier this week and he told me end of this week or early next week.
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Mine should be soon then. I ordered on 3/17. I called him earlier this week and he told me end of this week or early next week.
Yea I ordered 3/16
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I put my top on this weekend, and I must say it was one of the most challenging things I have done. I struggled trying to figure out the instructions. I am currently studying Mechanical Engineering, and I thought that the installation would be simple. I tried to follow the instructions and realized half way through the pages weren't in order. I decided to toss them and figure it out on my own. Installing the frame was simple, but putting the fabric on was a real challenge. I had to use all of my strength and my dads to secure it. It does look great and doesn't leak. I am still have yet to receive the cargo part of my package.
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I put my top on this weekend, and I must say it was one of the most challenging things I have done. I struggled trying to figure out the instructions. I am currently studying Mechanical Engineering, and I thought that the installation would be simple. I tried to follow the instructions and realized half way through the pages weren't in order. I decided to toss them and figure it out on my own. Installing the frame was simple, but putting the fabric on was a real challenge. I had to use all of my strength and my dads to secure it. It does look great and doesn't leak. I am still have yet to receive the cargo part of my package.
I guess that's another thing to point out. The instructions suck and the ones you do have aren't in any order.

The hardest frame related part of the install for me was the "awesome tailgate bar" brackets. In both installs I've done, I dropped the small nuts behind the interior panel and had to rip the back end of the cargo area apart to get it. Its also hard to tighten the nuts since there really isn't any access to put a wrench on it, so I just go finger tight. I wish it just used the OEM tailgate bar instead.
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I guess that's another thing to point out. The instructions suck and the ones you do have aren't in any order.

The hardest frame related part of the install for me was the "awesome tailgate bar" brackets. In both installs I've done, I dropped the small nuts behind the interior panel and had to rip the back end of the cargo area apart to get it. Its also hard to tighten the nuts since there really isn't any access to put a wrench on it, so I just go finger tight. I wish it just used the OEM tailgate bar instead.
I 100% agree with you about that tailgate bar and those brackets were a PITA. this is y I'm selling my top for this reason. I wish there was an easier way to get to the back like the OEM tailgate bar.
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I 100% agree with you about that tailgate bar and those brackets were a PITA. this is y I'm selling my top for this reason. I wish there was an easier way to get to the back like the OEM tailgate bar.
Too bad Tim couldn't save the money welding up that bar, getting it powder coated, etc. and just buy a supply of Bestop bars. He just needs to sew the same seal that's on the OEM rear window to work with it. That being said, compared to the hardtop the OEM soft top rear window is no Mardi Gras either.
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I 100% agree with you about that tailgate bar and those brackets were a PITA. this is y I'm selling my top for this reason. I wish there was an easier way to get to the back like the OEM tailgate bar.
Didnt you just put your top on? Already selling it?

I didnt have a problem putting those brackets on. Yeah it was a little tight trying to get the nuts on at first but once they started I was just able to use a screw driver to tighten the bolts.
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Didnt you just put your top on? Already selling it?

I didnt have a problem putting those brackets on. Yeah it was a little tight trying to get the nuts on at first but once they started I was just able to use a screw driver to tighten the bolts.
Yeah. Don't get me wrong it's a GREAT top but I use my jeep as a dd and I use the back alot to put stuff in there and it's just a pain to take that bar off every time I need to put something in there. I wish there was an easier way to do it. I do love how easy it is to take the tops off just roll it up and u got sun!!!!
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Left Canada yesterday morning! I'm expecting it by Monday but it would be nice for Friday or Saturday so I can instal on Sunday
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Anyone got pics of the Bimini portion?
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I put my fastback top on this past friday and after getting out of work one day this week I noticed the handle screw thing that holds down the center channel bar was laying on my passenger seat. At first I thought somebody was trying to get into the jeep so I tried screwing it back it....but then I noticed the actual bolt snapped off into the center channel. So there was no way to re-secure the center bar.

I called Tim as soon as I got home and he said he will replace the center bar and I should expect it in a few days. He has never heard this happening before. I still have been driving around and havent had any issues. I think since the bolt broke off inside the center bar, it it still somewhat secure.
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My cargo top arrived in customs today. Figure I should have it Monday. Wednesday at the latest.
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Top came in today!

Dropped the jeep off at the dealership for some warranty work an hour before it got here.

Looks like it will be Monday or Tuesday before install
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So I went to put the top on Friday (with the wrong instructions) and ran in to two minor issues and one major. So the instructions want you to replace some bolts in the back of the roll bar. Not thinking about having the wrong instructions I started replacing them. The first went in a bit snug but went in. The second one locked up about 5 turns in. I check the instructions and parts to make sure I didn't use the wrong one and I had not. I then realized there was no need for them to be replaced anyways because I wasn't installing the fast back. Went to back the bolt out and stripped. So I grabbed pliers to back it out and the bolt broke inside the rollbar .... So finally after looking for my tools to tap in to the broken bolt and back it out which was a Pain in the butt because it was so snug, after almost 30 min, finally got it out. I put the originals back in out of fear. Tim said he uses the best screws he can get from his supplier and while he's a nice guy, I seriously doubt they are.
So if you have a hard top then you for sure will know where I'm talking about. At the top of the hard top where it screws down by the driver seat, if you look under the hole on the jeep frame/rollbar (not hardtop). Anyways that hole, on the bottom side of it has a nut welded under it so the screw has something to thread in to. Well I started putting the screw in that came with the ORH top and about 1/4 of the way in (mind you every screw with this kit fits snug). The screw dropped in to the hole. Well the nut's weld had broken off. I'm going to blame Chrysler for this one and say it was a weak or bad weld.
So finally after going through the instructions I finally got everything installed. Or so I thought since there was no contents list since I was not given the correct instructions. I look at the back roll bar and then look at the off road Heros site and yep it does come a roll bar cover to go over the one installed so its water tight. So I called Tim and he called back a couple of hours later. He forgot to tell me that the cover ships in a desperate box because it doesn't fit with everything else in the other box. I asked him where it was and he said it was shipped. It was shipped on the 17th, around a week or so after the rest of the stuff.
So I spent until 2am uninstalling everything and getting the hardtop back on since it was about to rain.
Talk about mad. I was fuming by the time I got my hard top reinstalled. After the poor communication, longer wait time than was told and now longer wait for parts that should have been here already and now not being told that the rest was shipped a week late and not know that until after install and given the wrong instructions AND crummy bolts, I was ready to call for a refund and ship it back. But I was so tired and had other things to worry about the next day so I've decided that the install will be 10x faster and we'll see how happy I am after the final install hopefully tomorrow (according to usps) and then run it through a car wash to make sure it doesn't leak since Tim says it will be water tight. So overall, on a scale of 1-10, this top is getting a 1. Assuming all party's are in the box tomorrow and nothing else breaks, and all goes smooth, then it may get a 7 tomorrow. Will update tomorrow with pics. Really don't mean to knock the top but so far the experience has been bad. There would be very little that could be done to remedy this. Even if the top gets a good rating from me, ORH as a company will not get a good rating.
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I had the same problem with the bolt that broke. That was the only problem I had with the parts, The directions were the worst but once we found out the front rolls up, everything went together nice.
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I had the same problem with the bolt that broke. That was the only problem I had with the parts, The directions were the worst but once we found out the front rolls up, everything went together nice.
Oh! Damn I feel like an idiot now! I was trying to figure out what that button was for. :thumbs:

Guess I would have figured it out once the top was on long enough to actually use it. lol
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So I went to put the top on Friday (with the wrong instructions) and ran in to two minor issues and one major. So the instructions want you to replace some bolts in the back of the roll bar. Not thinking about having the wrong instructions I started replacing them. The first went in a bit snug but went in. The second one locked up about 5 turns in. I check the instructions and parts to make sure I didn't use the wrong one and I had not. I then realized there was no need for them to be replaced anyways because I wasn't installing the fast back. Went to back the bolt out and stripped. So I grabbed pliers to back it out and the bolt broke inside the rollbar .... So finally after looking for my tools to tap in to the broken bolt and back it out which was a Pain in the butt because it was so snug, after almost 30 min, finally got it out. I put the originals back in out of fear. Tim said he uses the best screws he can get from his supplier and while he's a nice guy, I seriously doubt they are.
So if you have a hard top then you for sure will know where I'm talking about. At the top of the hard top where it screws down by the driver seat, if you look under the hole on the jeep frame/rollbar (not hardtop). Anyways that hole, on the bottom side of it has a nut welded under it so the screw has something to thread in to. Well I started putting the screw in that came with the ORH top and about 1/4 of the way in (mind you every screw with this kit fits snug). The screw dropped in to the hole. Well the nut's weld had broken off. I'm going to blame Chrysler for this one and say it was a weak or bad weld.
So finally after going through the instructions I finally got everything installed. Or so I thought since there was no contents list since I was not given the correct instructions. I look at the back roll bar and then look at the off road Heros site and yep it does come a roll bar cover to go over the one installed so its water tight. So I called Tim and he called back a couple of hours later. He forgot to tell me that the cover ships in a desperate box because it doesn't fit with everything else in the other box. I asked him where it was and he said it was shipped. It was shipped on the 17th, around a week or so after the rest of the stuff.
So I spent until 2am uninstalling everything and getting the hardtop back on since it was about to rain.
Talk about mad. I was fuming by the time I got my hard top reinstalled. After the poor communication, longer wait time than was told and now longer wait for parts that should have been here already and now not being told that the rest was shipped a week late and not know that until after install and given the wrong instructions AND crummy bolts, I was ready to call for a refund and ship it back. But I was so tired and had other things to worry about the next day so I've decided that the install will be 10x faster and we'll see how happy I am after the final install hopefully tomorrow (according to usps) and then run it through a car wash to make sure it doesn't leak since Tim says it will be water tight. So overall, on a scale of 1-10, this top is getting a 1. Assuming all party's are in the box tomorrow and nothing else breaks, and all goes smooth, then it may get a 7 tomorrow. Will update tomorrow with pics. Really don't mean to knock the top but so far the experience has been bad. There would be very little that could be done to remedy this. Even if the top gets a good rating from me, ORH as a company will not get a good rating.
I can't figure out where this welded nut would be.
Underneath the rear rollbar cover there are two threaded holes for the rear post for the rear panel to slide into. They'll always be used regardless of top style. There are two other threaded holes at the rear of the side bars. They're used in both soft and hardtop install. Both ORH tops use these as well. Everything else are open holes.

As for the rear threaded holes under the rollbar cover, I don't know what they would be used for if not for the ORH top.
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I can't figure out where this welded nut would be.
Underneath the rear rollbar cover there are two threaded holes for the rear post for the rear panel to slide into. They'll always be used regardless of top style. There are two other threaded holes at the rear of the side bars. They're used in both soft and hardtop install. Both ORH tops use these as well. Everything else are open holes.

As for the rear threaded holes under the rollbar cover, I don't know what they would be used for if not for the ORH top.
Behind the panel for the front seatbelts. This is my first soft top so I wouldn't know if they were used for the standard soft top. But I know for the hardtop the to top bolts (one on passenger and one on driver) that are hidden when the freedom tips are on, the hole the bolt goes in. If you take the panel off for the seat belt, you can see the bottom side. There is a black nut that is welded on the bottom side of the hole so the hard top and soft top can have something to threaded to screw in to. I'm guessing it was a poor weld job or a combo of that and the very tight fitting orh screw that forced the weld to screw in to. Either way I can't fix it until my new stick welder gets in because I can't get in to the small area with my mig and tig welders.
My stick welder is VERY old (was my grandfathers) and hasn't been used in many years and won't work. Took it to a buddy to fix and he took it apart and he said its scrap and can't be fixed so its sitting in my garage. Oh well. Picked up a lower end one since I so rarely use it and should be in next week.

If you still can't find where I am talking about then I will take a picture tomorrow when I install the soft top. Didn't do it tonight since the news said there was a chance of rain and large hail. Sky is full of dark clouds but nothing yet.
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I just looked at their website because I'm searching for tops. I was thinking that with the problems you've had maybe its an inexpensive set up and I'll try my luck but for $1500 I'd expect it to bullet proof.
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I just looked at their website because I'm searching for tops. I was thinking that with the problems you've had maybe its an inexpensive set up and I'll try my luck but for $1500 I'd expect it to bullet proof.
Bullet proof now. There are much higher quality tips out there such as OEM, not to say the top from orh is low quality, I believe it's of good quality, and will know through my long term testing but for the price of any of the three tops, nothing's is as unique as ORH and of high craftsman ship. Yea the bolts suck but I can get past that. The instructions are absolutely horrid. I can get past that. Btw I would when reading the instructions check the next page. Some if them have a next step as they should buy some have a hand written notes saying "Important" do this first LOL.
Don't get me wrong, my issues with the product are MINOR and easily remedied, but My issues with TIM ( owner and only employee) are major. You know how long it takes to make and ship. 4-6 weeks. When you move in to week 7 you should call. It's shoes you Appreciate my business and am sorry for the delay. Don't make me call you over and over! Makes me think your a liar and don't care! Doesn't matter how nice you are. When you finally call to let us know our tips are shipping, you need to let us know that they will be in more than one box so we don't get it, install it and find important parts missing! Then call and he finally calls back and says "it already shipped". And after telling you it's not in the box you say "oh that's because it won't fit in the box, but it was shipped on the 17th". That was more than a week after the first shipment, just give me the tracking #, thank you good night.......
He just needs to give more realistic cradle to grave times or learn to communicate.
Will I ever by another ORH top again? Don't know. If this top ends up being a good top and meets my basic expectations and is as waterproof as he said, the I just might. Though I'm not going to lie, that electric convertible one looks pretty cool. Not unique like orh but is Bad@$$!
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Bullet proof now. There are much higher quality tips out there such as OEM, not to say the top from orh is low quality, I believe it's of good quality, and will know through my long term testing but for the price of any of the three tops, nothing's is as unique as ORH and of high craftsman ship. Yea the bolts suck but I can get past that. The instructions are absolutely horrid. I can get past that. Btw I would when reading the instructions check the next page. Some if them have a next step as they should buy some have a hand written notes saying "Important" do this first LOL.
Don't get me wrong, my issues with the product are MINOR and easily remedied, but My issues with TIM ( owner and only employee) are major. You know how long it takes to make and ship. 4-6 weeks. When you move in to week 7 you should call. It's shoes you Appreciate my business and am sorry for the delay. Don't make me call you over and over! Makes me think your a liar and don't care! Doesn't matter how nice you are. When you finally call to let us know our tips are shipping, you need to let us know that they will be in more than one box so we don't get it, install it and find important parts missing! Then call and he finally calls back and says "it already shipped". And after telling you it's not in the box you say "oh that's because it won't fit in the box, but it was shipped on the 17th". That was more than a week after the first shipment, just give me the tracking #, thank you good night.......
He just needs to give more realistic cradle to grave times or learn to communicate.
Will I ever by another ORH top again? Don't know. If this top ends up being a good top and meets my basic expectations and is as waterproof as he said, the I just might. Though I'm not going to lie, that electric convertible one looks pretty cool. Not unique like orh but is Bad@$$!
It looks great and I would entertain that with your experience I might think about it but it took eight weeks to get you your parts. There was a headliner shop in town that worked on hotrods that could make a total custom convertible top in less time. Maybe I should see if they are still business and price it out.
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I sold my top 2 days after I bought it. I hated how loud it was. I really like the way it looked, but lack of rear access and space was a huge turn off also. I would rather have a 2013 premium OEM top at this point. Wish I could find one and then I might sell the hardtop.
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Behind the panel for the front seatbelts. This is my first soft top so I wouldn't know if they were used for the standard soft top. But I know for the hardtop the to top bolts (one on passenger and one on driver) that are hidden when the freedom tips are on, the hole the bolt goes in. If you take the panel off for the seat belt, you can see the bottom side. There is a black nut that is welded on the bottom side of the hole so the hard top and soft top can have something to threaded to screw in to. I'm guessing it was a poor weld job or a combo of that and the very tight fitting orh screw that forced the weld to screw in to. Either way I can't fix it until my new stick welder gets in because I can't get in to the small area with my mig and tig welders.
My stick welder is VERY old (was my grandfathers) and hasn't been used in many years and won't work. Took it to a buddy to fix and he took it apart and he said its scrap and can't be fixed so its sitting in my garage. Oh well. Picked up a lower end one since I so rarely use it and should be in next week.

If you still can't find where I am talking about then I will take a picture tomorrow when I install the soft top. Didn't do it tonight since the news said there was a chance of rain and large hail. Sky is full of dark clouds but nothing yet.
Sounds like the same location the soft top uses for the door surround. The soft top bolts are tapered and makes it easier to install. I always have a hard time with getting the ORH top bolts threaded in this location. It sounds like you had a combination of gummed up threads and poor weld though.
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Anyone with the cargo top use a tuffy deck or drawer? I ordered my top last week and am trying to plan ahead.
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I sold my top 2 days after I bought it. I hated how loud it was. I really like the way it looked, but lack of rear access and space was a huge turn off also. I would rather have a 2013 premium OEM top at this point. Wish I could find one and then I might sell the hardtop.
Call Moritz in Fort Worth (888) 868-1540 and ask for jeep parts. That dealership truly rocks! Never from any dealership have I had service like they give. Don't have are Starbucks inside, but they'd probably send someone to get it for you lol. That's how much they care about getting your business and making you a life long customer. Can't praise them enough and I loath dealerships!

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