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Old 10-07-2011, 07:57 AM   #1
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Oh, No! Another "What Should I Buy" Post

I post this question hoping not to insult the many experts here with another “What Should I Buy” question. I’m 62 and my wife and I are about to purchase our first Jeep product (Wrangler Unlimited). We had determined that the Rubicon was a “must have” for us. In the past, we owned Ford Explorers and our Off-Road activity was a run in the sand in Florida and the occasional snow here in the Mid-Atlantic area. We hope to take advantage of the trails in the George Washington National Forest in the Shenandoah Valley, but don’t see any serious rock crawling in our plans.
After spending many hours researching and searching for a Rubicon that fits our budget, I’m beginning to have doubts as to whether this is the correct vehicle. We are impressed with the upgrades that the Rubicon offers, but wonder if the Sahara would serve us as well. For the part time Off-roader, are the added features of the Rubicon overkill? Should a Sahara be equipped with LSD?
While I realize that the Jeep Experience is largely driven by state of mind and personal opinion, I would welcome any opinions and suggestions that anyone would care to offer. While the Sport is certainly a Wrangler, we prefer the finish to the Sahara & Rubicon.

Thanks to all who take the time to read and/or respond to this post.

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Old 10-07-2011, 08:05 AM   #2
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We had determined that the Rubicon was a “must have” for us.

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As we age we understand the saying "You only live once". Your above statement "must have" says it all. Dont settle, live your dream and enjoy the ride.

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For mild trails or beach or snow, you will be completely fine with the Sahara or Sport. If you believe you will hit the more difficult stuff and rocks and all, you may be better going with the Rubicon and having most of the applicable mods already done for you. For daily driving the Sahara or Sport will be slightly more comfortable. So you just need to decide how serious you think you will get with your off-road adventures. Those Rubicon upgrades are all for off-roading, the Sahara upgrades are mostly for on-road.
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Read the thread I started on this subject. It will tell you everything you ever wanted to know on the subject. I learned a ton. I decided to go with the Sport due to my use being more of a daily driver with occasional light off-roading consisting mainly of beaches and farm fields. The DD comfort wound up being more important to me than the Rubicon's off-road features (and saving abou 4 grand didn't hurt either)

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It sounds to me that you won't be modding the he!! out of this jeep, so to you my friend, I say this:

It is better to have bought a RUBICON & wonder if you bought too much Jeep than to buy an X, Sport or Sahara & know you should have bought the RUBICON!!



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Read the thread I started on this subject. It will tell you everything you ever wanted to know on the subject. I learned a ton. I decided to go with the Sport due to my use being more of a daily driver with occasional light off-roading consisting mainly of beaches and farm fields. The DD comfort wound up being more important to me than the Rubicon's off-road features (and saving abou 4 grand didn't hurt either)

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/i-n...se-113968.html
Thanks, ShoreWrangler ..... I missed your post earlier.

I'll read those responses and see what I come up with. Still not easy! Also, the dealers around this area are trending to load up their orders with overly expensive fluff and I'm told the turn around time for an order is now 10 - 12 weeks.

BTW - Anyone who still wants to weigh in here with thoughts or to brag about their JK, I'll appreciate it greatly!

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It sounds to me that you won't be modding the he!! out of this jeep, so to you my friend, I say this:

It is better to have bought a RUBICON & wonder if you bought too much Jeep than to buy an X, Sport or Sahara & know you should have bought the RUBICON!!



Resale value of a clean Rubi is killer. Nuff said, Bruce
That is a common myth. The re-sale value is relative......ALL Wranglers hold their value.

If you pay $3000 more for a Rubi (over a Sahara) right now.....today..... 5, 6, 7, 8 years from now, you will NOT get $3000 more over a Sahara in a trade-in or private sale.

Below is the KBB for a 2007 Sahara Unlimited (no options) with 80,000 miles and in good condition, along with a 2007 Rubi Unlimited (no options) with 80,000 miles on it. The difference between the two is $1,000

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Old 10-07-2011, 10:24 AM   #8
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I tend to think the Rubicons hold their value better than the others due to two things: there are less of them on the used market, and there are many folks who simply buy the rubicon because jeep markets it as the "top of the line" wrangler without understanding that the Rubicon's extras are all off-road related.

But anyway, you are buying a Jeep for you, not for someone else, so get what YOU want
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Food for thought....
Quick run through the numbers on the Unlimiteds:

If today you pay $38,000 for a new Rubi...and $35,500 for a similarly equipped new Sahara.....and both hold 60% of their value 5 years from now....

The Rubi will be worth $22,800
The Sahara will be worth $21,300

That $1500 spread is actually bigger than what KBB is showing. I used an initial $2500 spread for the new vehicles because that is what the difference is in invoice pricing for both (no options) today.

If someone isn't going to use the Rubi features...financially, it makes no sense to pay $2500 more right now...in hopes of having it be worth $1,000-$1500 more 5 years from now. And that is using the "overpriced" Sahara.

Get what suits YOU best....
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It sounds to me that you won't be modding the he!! out of this jeep, so to you my friend, I say this:

It is better to have bought a RUBICON & wonder if you bought too much Jeep than to buy an X, Sport or Sahara & know you should have bought the RUBICON!!

Resale value of a clean Rubi is killer. Nuff said, Bruce
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I tend to think the Rubicons hold their value better than the others due to two things: there are less of them on the used market, and there are many folks who simply buy the rubicon because jeep markets it as the "top of the line" wrangler without understanding that the Rubicon's extras are all off-road related.

But anyway, you are buying a Jeep for you, not for someone else, so get what YOU want
Yep, I think this will change though. More and more people are buying the rubicon because it is " top of the line." Look at most the 2012 sales. Loaded 4 door Rubicons are a hot ticket. That being said--there is going to be a lot more Rubicon's in three years than previous model years. It's harder to find a clean 07-08 now. It is going to be a lot easier to find a clean Rubicon in the future when people will always update to the latest and greatest
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Old 10-07-2011, 11:18 AM   #12
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Just purchased a 2012 Rubi here. If I had purchased a Sahara I would be wondering and now I am not. First Jeep in 72 and this Rubi replaces my 2004 Rubi. Simply can't go wrong with the Rubi if the bit of extra money does not sway you. Even if I only use the capabilties of the Rubi a few times a year at least I know I have them when needed. Living in rural NH I have needed them more than a few times over the years.
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When I bought mine I drove a 2011 Sahara 6sp w/ 3.12:1 gears. I didn't not like how it performed at all on the street. Then drove a 2011 rubicon 6spd 4.10:1 gears. The difference was night and day. I didn't think we would need/use the rubicon features but have since gone out to trails and used everything it had to make it over obstacles. Looking back I'm glad I got the rubi and wouldn't have it any other way, I would have regretted the sahara.
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I think I was just posting yesterday regarding this very subject.....I asked "I wonder how many people come to this forum and get talked into a Rubi"...
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You pay a little more for the Rubi, but you also get more, so it isn't like you are throwing money away. If you can afford it, then get it, drive it, wheel it, enjoy it and don't look back.

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You know it's strange, but to me Wranglers were the one vehicle out there where less-is-more. I looked at a Sahara but thought "leather seats? big 18" sparking rims? automatic climate control? heated seats?" These things just don't belong in a Jeep Wrangler. Maybe I'm old school on this and opinions have changed, but my favorite Jeep was my dad's 70-something with a stick shift, no carpet, big ugly V8 engine, and torn up cloth seats - now THAT was a Jeep! They don't make 'em like they used to
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It's nice to say buy a Rubi because it's better but he listed the types of needs that best fit. And the fact is which is better for the needs, a Sport or Sahara with LSD or a Rubi with lockers. And listing mild trails, snow and sand as his needs says LSD over lockers. Of course he could add a front locker to the Sport/Sahara later if the need arises. I really like my LSD in rear and locker up front because it give me a greater diversity to handle many situations. And unless you are doing a lot of rock crawling, Rubicons may not be the best to choice from in all cases.
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You know it's strange, but to me Wranglers were the one vehicle out there where less-is-more. I looked at a Sahara but thought "leather seats? big 18" sparking rims? automatic climate control? heated seats?" These things just don't belong in a Jeep Wrangler. Maybe I'm old school on this and opinions have changed, but my favorite Jeep was my dad's 70-something with a stick shift, no carpet, big ugly V8 engine, and torn up cloth seats - now THAT was a Jeep! They don't make 'em like they used to
Love my old jk but I really do agree
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My last Jeep was an `07 Rubi, had to have it. Just bought a `12 Sport 6 weeks ago. I off road fairly hard in the rocky N. Nevada mountains and can tell you I have not been let down or disappointed. I ALMOST went for an 11 Rubi but Black is a dealbreaker for me. All you "black guys" don`t start hatin on me. BEAUTIFUL color but in the dust and dirt we have here it looks good 35 minutes after washing then shows everything. For mild to moderate offroading you do not need full locking axles and electric swaybay disconnect. Buy a winch with the $$$ you`ll save and you will have insurance if things get real funky. If you think you will be going hard core, by all means get the Rubi.
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it's nice to say buy a rubi because it's better but he listed the types of needs that best fit. And the fact is which is better for the needs, a sport or sahara with lsd or a rubi with lockers. And listing mild trails, snow and sand as his needs says lsd over lockers. Of course he could add a front locker to the sport/sahara later if the need arises. I really like my lsd in rear and locker up front because it give me a greater diversity to handle many situations. And unless you are doing a lot of rock crawling, rubicons may not be the best to choice from in all cases.
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Love my 11 JKU Sahara and wanted the LSD for winters. I bought the jeep I liked the best. I would suggest you do the same. No matter what your gonna want to add more anyway. Just don't forget to wave.
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Love my 09 JK X Unlimited, does everything I want an then some. And I don't regert not getting a Rubi. Buy what YOU want.
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thought about the rubi but ended up with the 2012 sahara. the creature comforts are fabulous and except for snow and some fire trails 95% will be a daily driver.
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My whole life I've wanted a Wrangler ever since I rode in my big brothers as a kid. Didn't need a 4x4 until we moved to Utah and I got into exploring and camping rather heavily. My late wife and I ended up with an 01 Disco II which was very capable but top heavy as hell. Now long after with my girlfriend who has a Grand Cherokee I can finally afford what I want which is the Rubi 12'. God how I hated to wait and not get an 11' for the new engine. Where I'm at, 7200' up, day before yesterday had our first snow, and living on a dirt road a mile from the highway and its a 5 mile commute to a town of 200 people to get mail..well, I won't compromise. The 27th I was in D1..today I jumped it all to be in KZ. I have a garage full of mods ready to install myself, or have installed and I'm like a bloody kid at Christmas.. So yes, get your dream so you don't have regrets later.
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Thanks, all, for taking the time to respond. We found a 2012 Unlimited Rubicon to drive this weekend .... an awesome machine! Much to our surprise, though, we didn't like it for our needs. Thanks to your opinions and a little common sense, we drove before ordering. We'll be getting a new Sahara as soon as I can locate the desired color. Happy Jeeping and thanks again.
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Thanks, all, for taking the time to respond. We found a 2012 Unlimited Rubicon to drive this weekend .... an awesome machine! Much to our surprise, though, we didn't like it for our needs. Thanks to your opinions and a little common sense, we drove before ordering. We'll be getting a new Sahara as soon as I can locate the desired color. Happy Jeeping and thanks again.
Just have one ordered. You've waited this long. And welcome to the the club, don't forget to wave.
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Good choice. I'm about 99% sure that you'll be glad you went with the Sahara.
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Buy what suits you best, if you like this one, that one, or the other, get it for you. and don't forget to wave!
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Wink Well.....

We are about the same age (me 65yo)! Reading your post, you will be well served by the 2012 JKU in auto!

I have one and have used it in the Blue Ridge Mtns, w/o a problem! Let's face it neither you or I will be doing the rock-climbing the Rubi is made for

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