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Old 02-21-2013, 10:38 AM   #1
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Have 2012 wrangler, 3500 miles. "Oil change required" warning indicated on info center. Anyone have/had this warning at this mileage?. Oil level good, no off road/dusty conditions yet. Just another way to spend money ?

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Has to be just an oil change reminder. I have a 2013 with 3450 on it and I just changed the oil. You should be able to reset the warning through the information center, I think. I went synthetic on my first oil change and did it early. I do it every 5000 miles usually.
Haven't seen an oil change warning pop up for me yet.

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Old 02-21-2013, 11:18 AM   #3
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Mine went off at 3500 also. Changed with syn, reset now we'll see. About a hundred miles off road the rest highway, hope I get longer intervals then that.
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Old 02-21-2013, 12:15 PM   #4
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Yea, that happens! Mine went off about 400 miles away from reaching 5000 miles usage of the oil I put in. I use syn, so thats good.

Its goes off depending on the condition of the oil. Not how far you drive like other vehicles.
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Old 02-21-2013, 09:22 PM   #5
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Its goes off depending on the condition of the oil. Not how far you drive like other vehicles.
NO. NO. NO. NO. It does not know what condition your oil is in. It only knows HOW you have been driving the vehicle. Excessive idle, extreme temps, loads, speeds. These are the kinds of things that it looks for.
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NO. NO. NO. NO. It does not know what condition your oil is in. It only knows HOW you have been driving the vehicle. Excessive idle, extreme temps, loads, speeds. These are the kinds of things that it looks for.
This is pretty much it. It's based upon a computer algorithm. It doesn't know whether you have syn or non syn or which weight. Doing a first oil change sooner than later is actually a good thing. And, it's still only a recommendation. Chrysler has a disclaimer regarding severe duty and at least once or twice per year regardless of mileage depending upon your year.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:26 AM   #7
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My service manager said there is an opacity sensor. Did he lie to me (again)?
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:31 AM   #8
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& from that it pretty much judging the condition of it
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My service manager said there is an opacity sensor. Did he lie to me (again)?

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Old 02-22-2013, 12:43 PM   #10
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Run full synth. Every 5k good to go!
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My service manager said there is an opacity sensor. Did he lie to me (again)?
Misinformed maybe. "Opacity" isn't even close to using the term correctly. If you filled your crankcase with mud the oil change message wouldn't go off since it's based upon an algorithm. Chrysler programmers assume you are using the correct weight and recommended type of oil for your engine. The oil change message is a "recommendation" it's not meant to be utilized as a method to "only" change your oil when the message activates. If that were the case then they wouldn't attach disclaimers to it. The auto industry has gone to these types of message centers in part because they assume that consumers as a whole won't properly service their vehicles unless they are reminded.
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Im sitting at 7k still no light. Maybe mine doesn't work! LOL! Changed at 1800 and 6000. Didnt reset just to see when it WOULD come on.
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So if you guys are changing to full synthetic, which kind do u guys use? Are they ok for the engine ?
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:39 AM   #14
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Synths are fine, Amsoil, Royal, Mobil 1 seem to be what people run. I dont see the need unless you run the motor really hard, ie 4x4 half the time. Dino will work just fine. JMO, I dont tend to use it unless it came that way or switch over unless I have a righ reving or HO motor like a turbo'd car or my Busa. 172 hp/105 lbs at the rear wheel.
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Mobil 1 is a very satisfactory oil. However...any brand or type of oil will still collect debris & dirt.
Change it soon and often is the key to a long engine life! Synthetic or not!
As well, in colder climates especially in vehicles stored in a garage, there is a lot of oil pan condensation happening, that form water droplets that wind up in your oil.

So advanced winter changes are also a good thing. Don't wait for it to get 'thin' AND dirty! Keep the oil in new condition as much as reasonable. Dirty, watery, thin oil isn't much of a lubricant IMO. Besides, the cleaner a filter you can keep, is also keeping debris out more.
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Have 2012 wrangler, 3500 miles. "Oil change required" warning indicated on info center. Anyone have/had this warning at this mileage?. Oil level good, no off road/dusty conditions yet. Just another way to spend money ?

REMOVE OIL LIGHT
1. Turn the ignition switch to the ON position. Do not
start the engine
.
2. Fully depress the accelerator pedal slowly three times
within 10 seconds.
3. Turn the ignition switch to the LOCK position.
NOTE: If the indicator message illuminates when you
start the vehicle, the oil change indicator system did not
reset. If necessary, repeat this procedure.
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Old 02-23-2013, 05:26 PM   #17
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Vehicles come with break in oil. So putting what came with it only, doesn't work out. You don't need to use syn only if you are driving hard or what not. It does help the engine better than the blend. It's more of a personal choice unless the vehicle requires syn.
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The Hardest abuse on a Engine is the Cranking of it. Unless you have a Pre Oil Pump system, then it hard friction at start up, with Synthetic Oil, there's less Metal to Metal on start up. What better testing then on vehicles that do it Hard and Rough then Nascar which i spent many years in and around and the True testing is put to the Test over and Over from the Race to the Street.....
The first Oil change is the most important and the one that should be done sooner then the vehicle tells you to. Break in will have metal shavings etc and you want to get it out ASAP...

Have a oil pump that runs off of the ignition when first switched on like the fuel pump. It can be connected directly to the oil filter or oil filter adapter. This will pre-prime the engine and have 89% less start-up wear.


SYNTHETIC MOTOR OIL
Synthetic motor oils are now very popular and are outselling the normal variety of petroleum based oils. Synthetic motor oils offer superior operational characteristics in all temperature ranges, from exceedingly cold to exceedingly hot. Synthetic motor oils are not so liable to leave any deposits, they have supreme viscosity properties of stability and can flow just as well at low temperature as they can in high temperatures. Synthetic oils consequently cost more but in the long run are worth it for their superior qualities. As one motor oil company stated about their synthetic oil " Its Liquid Engineering"
Synthetic motor oil does not need to be changed as regularly as normal oil and can easily manage 30,000 miles in most family cars. Of course there are various attributes to the longevity of the motor oil in a vehicle, the climate, the average engine speed and the stop and go factor. If the vehicle does slow trips over short distances that do not even let the engine get up to normal temperature then the oil is also adversely effected over time and will actually need to be changed earlier...some mechanics suggest every 5,000 miles if the vehicle is driven like this.

Fully synthetic motor oil can actually last up to three or four times longer than normal mineral oil and can be cost efficient in needing less maintenance and top ups.
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Mobil 1 is a very satisfactory oil. However...any brand or type of oil will still collect debris & dirt.
Change it soon and often is the key to a long engine life! Synthetic or not!
As well, in colder climates especially in vehicles stored in a garage, there is a lot of oil pan condensation happening, that form water droplets that wind up in your oil.

So advanced winter changes are also a good thing. Don't wait for it to get 'thin' AND dirty! Keep the oil in new condition as much as reasonable. Dirty, watery, thin oil isn't much of a lubricant IMO. Besides, the cleaner a filter you can keep, is also keeping debris out more.
^^^^^What he said
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Old 02-23-2013, 06:29 PM   #20
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Fully Synthetic Characteristics 0W-30
0W-40
5W-40 Increased fuel economy, increased engine performance with more power. Increased engine protection and reduction of deposit, sludge build up. Increased cold starting protection and increased oil flow properties in freezing weather conditions. Four time the protection of normal oil. Generally a superior motor oil for all occasions. Much more expensive than semi-synthetic and mineral oils. Semi Synthetic Characteristics 5W-30
10W-40
15W-40 Good protection with some fuel savings. Decent protection within the first critical moments of starting up the engine. Three times more protection and increased oil change intervals. Mineral Oil Characteristics 10W-40
15W-40 Standard engine protection for practically all engines but regular oil changes are needed more often. Slower to circulate in freezing conditions hence more engine wear and also slower to adjust to the engines temperature hence engine not as efficient and some horsepower loss.

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