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Old 06-22-2011, 11:31 PM   #1
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Oil Changes

The selling dealership gave us our first oil change free. I figure we will end up doing an oil change about every 10 months, the misses doesnt drive much.

Today I get a letter from Jeep, they are giving us 4 oil changes within 2 years free for buying a new 2011 Wrangler.

So whats up with the dealer trying to sell us a maintenence plan? If we get 5 free oil changes it seems pointless to buy a maintenence plan.

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do it 3 months no matter what if you want to maintain the motor for a long time. i'd say use the free ones and just follow the manufacturers plan for maintenance.

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do it 3 months no matter what if you want to maintain the motor for a long time.
Ive owned over 50 vehicles of various sorts over the years. I have always changed the oil at the manufactures recommended interval, and in over 35 years of driving/riding I have never had an internal engine failure.

There is this great myth that changing oil sooner results in increased engine life. For years I used the cheapest oil/filters I could buy and have never had a problem. Once I made enough money and got lazy I started letting the dealer do the service. My vehicles dont run better or last longer, the maintenence just costs more.
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I haven't got a letter yet.....wonder if I will.
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Ive owned over 50 vehicles of various sorts over the years. I have always changed the oil at the manufactures recommended interval, and in over 35 years of driving/riding I have never had an internal engine failure.

There is this great myth that changing oil sooner results in increased engine life. For years I used the cheapest oil/filters I could buy and have never had a problem. Once I made enough money and got lazy I started letting the dealer do the service. My vehicles dont run better or last longer, the maintenence just costs more.
That's great, but I still don't think they recommend 10 months.
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I haven't got a letter yet.....wonder if I will.
That's a dealership sponsored program.
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for new vehicles you want to change the oil several times more often then normal, due to cleaning out any possible metal shavings still in the engine and what not....
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My letter came from Jeep and the oil changes are good at any Jeep dealer so I dont think that it is a dealer program.

I changed the oil on some of my little riden motorcycles once a year, never had a problem. I owned a Mustang Cobra that I drove about 1500 miles a year that I also did an annual oil change on. I sold it at 11 years old, it still ran like new.

You guys can make whatever claims you want. Little of what Im reading on this forum is based on fact, most of it is based on inaccurate information that you have heard word of mouth or read on the net.

You would do well to educate yourself.
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Ive owned over 50 vehicles of various sorts over the years. I have always changed the oil at the manufactures recommended interval, and in over 35 years of driving/riding I have never had an internal engine failure.

There is this great myth that changing oil sooner results in increased engine life. For years I used the cheapest oil/filters I could buy and have never had a problem. Once I made enough money and got lazy I started letting the dealer do the service. My vehicles dont run better or last longer, the maintenence just costs more.
Same experience here. I keep my vehicles average of 150K miles and no issues with this type of maintenance.

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for new vehicles you want to change the oil several times more often then normal, due to cleaning out any possible metal shavings still in the engine and what not....
Chrysler recommends first oil change at 6K miles. No need to change out break-in oil as that has already been done for you at the factory. I have always done this and it hasn't had any ill effects. I put on about 18K miles per year so the oil gets changed out at least every 6 months or less. 52,000 on the odometer so far, oil changes pretty much right on the 6K mile mark every time.

I enjoy listening to the hog wash on the forums though about this. Some folks have even set up their own shop selling the hog wash. I enjoy reading the posts cause I just enjoy the thought of a good hog washing.

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I just laugh at the oil threads. We have family friends that are in their 80s, Ive known them my whole life. They live 400 miles from me, I was down visiting last month. He bought a new F150 in 92, it has 93k on it. The same Ford dealership has done all the maintenence since it was new, he does an oil change every 5k. That F150 still looks and drives like new, he gets offers to buy it all the time.

10 years ago I was driving 150 miles roundtrip to work, I did that for 3 years. I did oil changes at 10k with a filter change every 5k. When I finished that job my 91 Mustang had 225k on it. It still fired right up, ran smooth, and never left me stranded. I sold it for $3500.

In todays modern vehicle engines everything is better. Better metals, better manufacturing processes, tighter tolerences, better filters, better oil, better fuel management, despite all these gains in technology there are still many people who cling to 1950s beliefs when it comes to oil.

When I ask for specific examples of oil related engine failures or oil related premature engine wear no one can ever come up with a single example.

Doesnt that seem odd?
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I seen hundreds of examples on the Jeep forums alone. A 20 year old vehicle with 93k miles is extremely low mileage. Not a very good example.
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I always do mine every 6 thousand miles, Which works out to about every 6 months with my driving. I use a good quality oild and filter. Ive been doing this since i started driving almost 30 years ago and have never had an oil related problem.
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I seen hundreds of examples on the Jeep forums alone. A 20 year old vehicle with 93k miles is extremely low mileage. Not a very good example.
Well, actually, it is a good example of what regular maintenance will do if it doesn't use up a lot of oil between changes. After all, what he seems to be implying is that it is still a young kitten after what would normally be about 1/2 of the engine's life.

I had a used Pinto station wagon (remember those fire traps?). It had 75,000 and had trouble with oil from the day I owned it. Either a bad engine from new or the previous owner didn't take very good care of it. It was totaled at about 100,000 and the engine, even though it was consuming oil was still chugging along. I didn't make it any worse with the manufacturer's recommended oil change interval.

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Here's my two cents: with the advancements in engine technology/metallurgy/oil technology, the 3K mile oil changes are doing nothing more than emptying your wallet.

Jeep recommends a 6 month/8K mile oil change interval for my 2011. As long as you are using a quality oil and filter, changing the oil sooner is unnecessary.
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Jeep recommends a 6 month/8K mile oil change interval for my 2011. As long as you are using a quality oil and filter, changing the oil sooner is unnecessary.
Are you certain on the 8K interval? It has been 6K interval as far as I know.
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Are you certain on the 8K interval? It has been 6K interval as far as I know.
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Wow, I wonder when it changed from 6,000? Is that new for 2011? Anybody?
Thanks for posting that tidbit.
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Thanks for posting that tidbit.
You're welcome. This site gave me a wealth of info when I was researching my latest Jeep purchase so I am glad to give back in some small way.
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The manual for my 2011 says first change at 3000 or 3500 (my wife is out circling the globe with the jeep so I can't verify). If the maintenance schedule indicates 8000 it contradicts the "change oil" indication. I think the oil light came on at 3500 as described in the manual. The regular interval is 8000. I am running AMSOIL and will change the oil and filter every 15,000 or yearly.

If you change your oil too frequently you harm your wallet, not your vehicle. If the oil is still within specs then you are driving up costs without any benefit.
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I've seen performance engines torn apart while only running mobil1 synthetic every 3-4k miles and are clean as a whistle.

Not telling you to anything you dont want to. If you have luck with what you do..cool. I work at Jeep and do my own work on my own vehicles at our shop. I have my own preferences.
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If I were using the inside of my engine to eat off of then that type of cleanliness would appeal to me. All I care about is getting a couple hundred thousand miles out of it without buying an oil refinery. In that respect, I consider myself an appliance operator. When the appliance dies, it gets a new (rebuilt) one and then onward.
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The manual for my 2011 says first change at 3000 or 3500 (my wife is out circling the globe with the jeep so I can't verify). If the maintenance schedule indicates 8000 it contradicts the "change oil" indication. I think the oil light came on at 3500 as described in the manual. The regular interval is 8000. I am running AMSOIL and will change the oil and filter every 15,000 or yearly.

If you change your oil too frequently you harm your wallet, not your vehicle. If the oil is still within specs then you are driving up costs without any benefit.
I don't see it as a contradiction. I saw a note in the manual saying to change the oil when the oil change indicator comes one, but also says even if the indicator isn't on, do not exceed 6 months or 8K miles.
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I've seen performance engines torn apart while only running mobil1 synthetic every 3-4k miles and are clean as a whistle.

Not telling you to anything you dont want to. If you have luck with what you do..cool. I work at Jeep and do my own work on my own vehicles at our shop. I have my own preferences.
But is not possible that the same engines could have been run 6-8K on Mobil1 and still been clean?

I'm not trying to convert everyone to extended oil changes. Just pointing out that with the advances in both engine and oil technology, owners have no reason to fear extended oil changes. Up until the late Seventies and early Eighties, engine oils had low detergent levels, some had no detergent. Short oil change intervals were necessary to prevent acid and sludge formations from damaging engine internals. Since then, the major oil marketers have increased detergent levels along with additives to neutralize acid, dispersants to control soot and sludge, additives to protect yellow metals found in bearings, etc. While they advertised the increased performance and protection they still had consumers hooked on the 3K mile oil change mindset. Afterall they still wanted your money.
Renewed emphasis on the environment now has them promoting longer oil change intervals to reduce waste oil.

Chrysler, Ford, GM, and other automakers all promote extended oil change intervals on their late model vehicles. Would automakers risk their warrantys if engine oils werent capable of handling more miles?
Each owner should do what they feel comfortable with. I personally believe the necessity of 3K mile oil changes has passed.
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I think what the vehicle is used for has a factor in when oil should be changed. I also have a ole timer freind. He changes the oil when it gets a half quart low now this is on a engine with no leaks and no visible smoke. He days that's when the oil starts breaking down. There are as many oil beliefs as there are tire brands. If it works for you and gives you comfort in knowing you are taking care of your rig. Besides. How many correct the speedo after installing their oversized tires. So how many miles are you really putting on it.

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But is not possible that the same engines could have been run 6-8K on Mobil1 and still been clean?

I'm not trying to convert everyone to extended oil changes. Just pointing out that with the advances in both engine and oil technology, owners have no reason to fear extended oil changes. Up until the late Seventies and early Eighties, engine oils had low detergent levels, some had no detergent. Short oil change intervals were necessary to prevent acid and sludge formations from damaging engine internals. Since then, the major oil marketers have increased detergent levels along with additives to neutralize acid, dispersants to control soot and sludge, additives to protect yellow metals found in bearings, etc. While they advertised the increased performance and protection they still had consumers hooked on the 3K mile oil change mindset. Afterall they still wanted your money.
Renewed emphasis on the environment now has them promoting longer oil change intervals to reduce waste oil.

Chrysler, Ford, GM, and other automakers all promote extended oil change intervals on their late model vehicles. Would automakers risk their warrantys if engine oils werent capable of handling more miles?
Each owner should do what they feel comfortable with. I personally believe the necessity of 3K mile oil changes has passed.
Very possible and very true. Either way I have no need to find out. When the oil is black or dark brown its coming the hell out of that motor!
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I got the change oil light on my 2011 this morning at 3500 miles. I stopped on my way home from work, bought Castrol oil and premium PurolaterOne filter and changed it, because it was the initial oil that came with the vehicle. Followed the procedure in the manual to reset the alarm and I'm curious to see when it comes on again. Dang, what is up with the 1/2 inch drain plug? It shot oil about 2 feet under the truck. LOL
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Just remember, your dealer can set the max interval on the computer. If you are not happy with 3500 you can have them change it to the interval printed in the manual. It will trip 500 miles before your expected visit. Yours must have been set to 4000 if it came on at 3500.
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Just remember, your dealer can set the max interval on the computer. If you are not happy with 3500 you can have them change it to the interval printed in the manual. It will trip 500 miles before your expected visit. Yours must have been set to 4000 if it came on at 3500.
The manual indicates the first time is 3500 and after being reset it goes to an 8k interval.
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The manual indicates the first time is 3500 and after being reset it goes to an 8k interval.
Computers must be getting smarter. Don't know if mine had that in 08!

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