I have use nothing but Fram filters for all three of the oil changes I have done. I just ordered Mopar as they were similar price and I am not quite ready to change it again so I have time. I would use them. Just mind the issues he had and ensure nothing is broken/damaged in the filter cap.
It seems some filter manufacturers oil filter design is, let's say, a bit sloppy. It could be that for most applications, being a bit sloppy is OK. However, for our 3.6's, oil filter design needs to be unusually well done; dead on.
Just because an oil filter manufacturer makes good oil filters for a Chevy, doesn't mean anything for us. So, telling the good from the bad, isn't all that simple.
Stick with Mopar, and you'll never have to worry about a warranty fight over your oil filter choice, and if you have your oil changed at a dealer, you'll never have to worry about a warranty fight over damaged parts (seems the 3.6L filter assembly can be a bit fragile).
In other words, the $5 less Jiffy Lube charges than my dealer, just isn't worth the risk and worry in this one case.
There is a lot of conjecture and miss information in that "oh shit don't use anything but mopar filters" thread. The 3.6L by design is complex and the oil filter housing is a nightmare. But, there is no way a filter that is the CORRECT one can cause damage to the engine. There is but a hand full of manufactures that make filters and most are decent. I wouldn't include, stp, fram, or Bosch in that category though. The Wix, Mopar, Napa Gold are top quality and if mopar tried to deny a warranty claim based on the use of these filters installed correctly then I'm lawyer up on their ass and they would be parking a new Rubi X in my driveway.
There is but a hand full of manufactures that make filters and most are decent. I wouldn't include, stp, fram, or Bosch in that category though. The Wix, Mopar, Napa Gold are top quality..
During my years at GM's Oshawa Truck Plant, a year & a half were @ the end of the C/K truck production (1986). The motors came into the plant less the oil filter. The AC filters (looked exactly like the ones you'd buy @ a GM dealer or parts store) came from Kralinator in western Ontario. No idea who makes them now or where (probably Mexico). Just shows that the other OEMs have outsourced oil filter production for years.
I work for a fuel company and we also sell Baldwin filters. These have been around for quite some time and are considered heavy duty grade. They are made to oem specs. I have used this filter in my 3.6 and have had no issues
I would use it. I think there's more to it than the filter causing the engine failure. Seeing how that story ends is the key. It might take the owner of that Jeep hiring a lawyer to complete the story.
If you want to spend your time and money to chase FCA in court - then that's good advice for those that can afford it. It would be like playing out the fable of David and Goliath...
It seems some filter manufacturers oil filter design is, let's say, a bit sloppy. It could be that for most applications, being a bit sloppy is OK. However, for our 3.6's, oil filter design needs to be unusually well done; dead on.
Just because an oil filter manufacturer makes good oil filters for a Chevy, doesn't mean anything for us. So, telling the good from the bad, isn't all that simple.
Stick with Mopar, and you'll never have to worry about a warranty fight over your oil filter choice, and if you have your oil changed at a dealer, you'll never have to worry about a warranty fight over damaged parts (seems the 3.6L filter assembly can be a bit fragile).
In other words, the $5 less Jiffy Lube charges than my dealer, just isn't worth the risk and worry in this one case.
Excellent advice if you want to steer clear of a major fight with big corporations that have legal teams ON STAFF.. They don't need to hire lawyers, they have 20+ lawyers ready and waiting...
I agree with this. I ordered from this seller and am very happy with the price and service. I wouldn't normally order parts off ebay, but this seller is an actual FCA dealership.
After reading that thread I believe the OP, more accurately, used the incorrect YEAR filter (the design changed a couple of years ago). Just make sure your using a filter which is designed for your model year Jeep. Look at the different model years on the K&N website and you can see the differences.
I read through most of that blown engine thread. I've been using aftermarket filters for 20 years without incident. I have three wix filters sitting in my closet and have no reservations about using them. Nothing wrong with Mopar filters, but nothing wrong with quality aftermarket either.
From what I get out of that other thread, all the aftermarket filter really means, is its proof that a Chrysler dealer didn't change the oil last. In other words, if a Chrysler dealer did do the last change, they would not have found an aftermarket filter.
The warranty is void because who ever did change the oil last, broke a critical part that directly lead to the engine failure.
I wouldnt run a Fram on anything I own period.They are the absolute cheapest made filter you can buy period.Dont believe me google fram filter failure. Let me google that for you
The Mopar ,Napa gold and several others are made by Wix.
I would trust Anything Wix makes or Donaldson is another good one.
I just stopped by my dealer on my way back from buying oil, diff gear oil and trans case Fluid.
$7.95 ea. For Mopar filters.
Why would I buy a different brand?
Our Forum is running a little thin on common sense lately......
All this talk about using/not using an OEM filter... I also read that thread and believe there are details being left out. Having said that, I do hope it works out in the end for that owner.
Now in my case? I'm an ASE certified mechanic, have been a mechanic professionally for the past 40 years, and currently earn my living as a mechanic. You know what? The last thing I want to do when I get home from work is change the oil on my Jeep. If I add in my time, the cost of filters and oil, the hassle of cleaning up the mess and disposing of the waste oil, it's just more convenient to get 'er done someplace else. Since my dealer is just a few miles from the house, and they charge no more than anybody else, my Jeep gets dealer serviced. It also helps that my dealer is the sponsor of our Jeep Club (the Desert Wranglers)(plus I get 10% off parts and labor being a club member), and I'm on a first name basis with the Service Manager and several of the mechanics, having spent many a trail run and a beer around a campfire with them...
All this talk about using/not using an OEM filter... I also read that thread and believe there are details being left out. Having said that, I do hope it works out in the end for that owner.
Now in my case? I'm an ASE certified mechanic, have been a mechanic professionally for the past 40 years, and currently earn my living as a mechanic. You know what? The last thing I want to do when I get home from work is change the oil on my Jeep. If I add in my time, the cost of filters and oil, the hassle of cleaning up the mess and disposing of the waste oil, it's just more convenient to get 'er done someplace else. Since my dealer is just a few miles from the house, and they charge no more than anybody else, my Jeep gets dealer serviced. It also helps that my dealer is the sponsor of our Jeep Club, and I'm on a first name basis with the Service Manager and several of the mechanics, having spent many a trail run and a beer around a campfire with them...
You're Not exactly "John-Q" Public there John, Maybe get a pretty nice Job done.
The rest of us are in/out in 20 minutes which is 1/3 the time I let my oil drain AND I can do it for $35, My Dealer charges me $84 (I use Full Synthetic which I'm not trying to start a 30 page thread about that choice).
But, I get You not wanting to get home and turn some more wrenches.
Sorta like when I get Home and my Wife asks me to Strip (Jeezus) :nonono:
If someone can screw up an oil change on a Jeep JK - They are too Stupid to Live.
IF it was the Op - To F'n Bad. IF it was an "Oil Change Specialist" - that is what Lawyers are for.
Otherwise .... Doubt we will ever Really know what happened OR what the true outcome will be.
I need to change my oil on my 13 JK today.I just happen to have 6 quarts of Penzoil ultra I got for free at Bantam but I have to go to town and get my Wix filter. I do it every 5k miles and I am now at exactly 50k.I might splurge and order some Mopar filters online as they are same price. Got free oil changes with the Wife's 2015 JKU and I have no issue letting my dealer service it. Its free and its documented.If they screw it up they will make it right. They have done good work for me in the past so I trust them.They just like to charge to much , but free is hard to beat.
I use only OEM filters for all my vehicles. I've gone through the blown engine drill with another vehicle and the last thing you want is for them to come up with a reason to deny replacing your blown engine under warranty. Use OEM parts and keep good records. In the end, my blown motor was replaced under warranty at no cost to me. Before I forget...use only OEM filters if you want to avoid any hassles related to oil starvation.
So, just so I understand, are you saying you DO recommend using OEM oil filters? :drinks:
On a side note, off topic... Did I buy my used JKUR from you? LOL. I noticed you're from AZ and AK. The reason I say that is I bought my Jeep at a Lake Havasu AZ Jeep dealer. The PO was an oil field manager in Alaska who had a vacation home in Lake Havasu. He traded in his Jeep and bought a 3500 Cummins Ram so he could pull his new boat...
There you go. That thread is nothing but speculation. I, too, believe the OP of that thread used a pre-2014 filter and is not owning up to it. Nothing else makes sense and the OP is shopping for a new motor. I'll continue to use my NAPA gold and do my own oil changes. If my motor blows up, I guarantee the oil filter won't be the cause.
In general, I support using the manufacture’s oil filter. And I always did (did as in past tense) on my 2010 Wrangler 3.8L. But ironically, two oil changes ago, using the Mopar® Engine Oil Filter MO-409 P/N: 04105409AC, purchased from my local Chrysler Dodge Ram Jeep Fiat dealer, when I started the engine, oil was spewing out of the filter where the top of the filter crimps onto the housing. Had I not caught this when I did, I could have lost an engine. I think some 3rd party filters are better than some OEM filters. Keep in mind that Mopar does not manufacture oil filters as they are sourced out.
I have no reservations about utilizing an aftermarket oil filter in my jeep. Im at 32k miles now. Its not like mopar is manufacturing oil filters up in Toledo. They use an exterior company as well. Right now my jeeps got a purolator in it bc thats what advance auto had. Before that STP, a few mopars, a bosch. Whatever closest or whatever store/dealer im passing home from work. No doodoo fram though. I do always grab valvoline premium conventional funny enough. But thats just habit. Just what ive always used. Filters are like underwear for me though. I aint going to calvin klein every time i need some new briefs lol PS im calling BS ok that blown motor thread. We are missing some vital info i know it.
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